Why does the Catholic church have to change?

[Steveabrous]

No one in the secular world says the Catholic church* has *to change.
It’s the majority of Catholics who, according to polls, want these changes–albeit, they are the “cafeteria” Catholics who don’t understand that nothing is supposed to change (and it’s no one on this forum, I’m pretty sure).
I agree with you, they should convert to Episcopalian.
That recent poll done by the NYTimes and CBS news showed 70 percent of Catholics polled want female ordination. That 70 percent should leave the church and join the Episcopalian church, as you say, if they do not agree with the Catholic doctrine.
Thing is, people get used to the religion they are brought up in and feel sentimental about it.

I think the number is lower then 70% more like above 50%. But who is taking the anitiative to take the poll? Pollsters can make polls say what they want it to say. When Pope Francis was elected Pope we got story after story about how Francis might possibly change these things that can not be changed. It is being driven by the secular media, not lay Catholics. They are not screaming for change.

If you were to ask me if Preists should marry I would say yes, but I would never leave the church because I know my opinion doesn’t matter.

 

[aemcpa]

If you were to ask me if Preists should marry I would say yes, but I would never leave the church because I know my opinion doesn’t matter.

You mean that you think married men should be allowed to be ordained priests.

 

[Contra_Mundum_1]

The other part is the same reason that animal rights activists throw paint on fur coats rather than go into biker bars and throw paint on leather jackets.

Tom A.

Brilliant. I will have to quote this next time the subject comes up.

 

[Steveabrous]

You mean that you think married men should be allowed to be ordained priests.

yes

 

[MattofTexas]

You mean that you think married men should be allowed to be ordained priests.

I agree with this as well, because there was a time in Church history when married men could be ordained (see 1 Tim. 3 and 1 Cor. 9:5), and it seems to me that if the Church is facing a shortage of clergy then this might be a way of getting more men into the priesthood.

 

[Kithrus]

I agree with this as well, because there was a time in Church history when married men could be ordained (see 1 Tim. 3 and 1 Cor. 9:5), and it seems to me that if the Church is facing a shortage of clergy then this might be a way of getting more men into the priesthood.

So… because being a priest is really hard as written you want to make it harder when in truth you should be encouraging your children to go for it if that’s Gods will?

Not to get all sarcastic with you but the one reason they switched that out was because ‘men can’t serve two masters.’

He is either a father to a church or a farther to a house hold. Trying to do both doesn’t for a great catholic priest make.

 

[MattofTexas]

So… because being a priest is really hard as written you want to make it harder when in truth you should be encouraging your children to go for it if that’s Gods will?

Not to get all sarcastic with you but the one reason they switched that out was because ‘men can’t serve two masters.’

He is either a father to a church or a farther to a house hold. Trying to do both doesn’t for a great catholic priest make.

But a priest with less time to devote to his ministry than a single priest is still better than no priest at all. Besides, perhaps in a time when marriage is being redefined before our eyes it might do us some good to have married priests, holy men living out a calling to both the vocation of marriage and the sacerdotal priesthood.

 

[Chan26]

But a priest with less time to devote to his ministry than a single priest is still better than no priest at all. Besides, perhaps in a time when marriage is being redefined before our eyes it might do us some good to have married priests, holy men living out a calling to both the vocation of marriage and the sacerdotal priesthood.

Wow, how sad. As I was growing up and going into my friend’s homes, that image of a husband and father was not uncommon. Today, in my high end neighborhood, there are three homes like that and that doesn’t count the ones that put on an act. I have some theories but i will keep them to myself.
chan26

 

[Nita]

Originally Posted by aemcpa
You mean that you think married men should be allowed to be ordained priests.

There are rites in the Catholic Church under the Pope that do allow married priests. For example, the Byzantine Rite. If a Catholic man feels a calling to have 2 vocations (marriage and priesthood) perhaps he ought to consider switching from the Latin Rite to one of the eastern rites that allow for that.
catholic.com/quickquestions/why-are-eastern-rite-married-men-allowed-to-be-ordained-priests

 

[Steveabrous]

There are rites in the Catholic Church under the Pope that do allow married priests. For example, the Byzantine Rite. If a Catholic man feels a calling to have 2 vocations (marriage and priesthood) perhaps he ought to consider switching from the Latin Rite to one of the eastern rites that allow for that.
catholic.com/quickquestions/why-are-eastern-rite-married-men-allowed-to-be-ordained-priests

yes, but you can not join on of those rites in order to be a married priest.

 

[Steveabrous]

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I don’t understand what you mean when you say “secular media”…?
Do you mean newspapers or news programs that are not religion-based? If so, that would cut out almost every major newspaper/TV news show in the country.

The poll I’m referencing with the 69-70 percent number was done by The NYTimes and CBS News…those two newsrooms are filled with both religious and non-religious reporters and editors, I can tell you that as a fact.
The poll was conducted by asking people who identified themselves as Catholic-- one group went to church once a week and described themselves as “very serious” about their faith, but the poll asked a variety of Catholics-- as they came out of mass.

What would be a better way to do the poll so that the results are as more correct?
Have it done by EWTN? (I’m not being sarcastic, I really am asking what method is better?) Only ask the very conservative ones?

Besides…when there is a new pope elected, there is always a flurry of news stories about what the new pope will do and what kin of a leader he will be, that’s natural…and in this case, because the circumstances were so unusual and because he was so new and different from the previous popes, there was even more reason to wonder what the future was to hold.
But that’s just news 101…something new happened and the reporters had to explore stories surrounding it. These same secular media journalists also wrote glowing stories about the new pope–his bus taking, his humble nature, etc.

As i recall, after the new pope washed the feet of the two women–one Muslim–at Easter time…there were many people on this forum writing posts, also wondering if he was attempting to make major changes in the Church. So it was not just “secular” people who wondered this.

As you can see, these question and stories–from the media and even from other Catholics-- have died down now.
It’s not new news anymore and the questions have been answered.

Also…the OP was talking about Catholics who want doctrinal changes in the church…that’s why she was saying they should convert to Episcopalian if they felt that way.

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first of all you lost me at NY Times. I don’t want to get into a political argument with you but, it is my opinion and the opinion of the majority of Americans that the news media, especialy the NY times, has a slight(sarcasm) liberal, anti-christian bias.

 

[livingwordunity]

yes, but you can not join on of those rites in order to be a married priest.

If being married is that important to you then you probably aren’t called to be a priest. Simple. Now move on with your life.

 

[Becca3]

I have seen other churches where there is a man who is a priest, bishop, minister or what have you take care of his congregation and is married. The baptists, the mormons, and other denominations have gone that route. It can be done.

 

[Aloysium]

married and women priests:
i haven’t gone through all the responses, but it would be interesting to hear from people who feel God is calling them to the priesthood, but they cannot do His will because the Church’s rules prevent them.
long, long ago becoming a priest was a consideration i had, but i realized it was a matter of making a career choice; God arranged it that i ended up where i could do the most good

 

[Chan26]

Wow, how sad. As I was growing up and going into my friend’s homes, that image of a husband and father was not uncommon. Today, in my high end neighborhood, there are three homes like that and that doesn’t count the ones that put on an act. I have some theories but i will keep them to myself.
chan26

My apologies this post does not belong here. Although i don’t understand how it got here, but I apologize Please ignore.
chan26

 

[saveusfromhell]

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The pope has the authority to make this change, right?
If he ever did, it would mean he is making the proper choice for the Church…that, his decision was, perhaps, divinely inspired?..and that Catholics would be required and obligated and expected to be in agreement with his decision, yes?

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no this is not right and has precedence. if a pope decided that women can now be preists he would simply be wrong and thus not speaking excathedra as he would be breaking one of the criteria for him to do so

 

[aemcpa]

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The pope has the authority to make this change, right? Yes.
If he ever did, it would mean he is making the proper choice for the Church… (Not necessarily.) that, his decision was, perhaps, divinely inspired?.. (The Church does not teach that the Pope’s teachings or actions are divinely inspired, only that what he binds on Earth will be bound in Heaven.) and that Catholics would be required and obligated and expected to be in agreement with his decision, yes? (Catholics would be required and obligated and expected to yield to his authority and to accept his decision with religious submission of mind and will. “Agreement” isn’t part of the equation.)

 

[Steveabrous]

Great!
I bet the New York Times doesn’t pay attention to any of the answers given by conservative church-goers for their polls, they must throw those ones out…they must only count the information they get from the Catholics coming out of Sunday mass who share the same liberal, anti-Christian bias as the newspaper.
Or…maybe they just make up the poll answers?
That would make sense.
And they’d have to convince the CBS people to do the same, if they are conducting the polls together (or, does CBS have the anti-Christian bias, too?)
Too bad nothing is put in place at all for these pollsters to be honest in their methods. I guess the people who conduct these polls are all dishonest.

It’s what they teach us in journalism school, anyway…to pick one side and ignore the others.

But the good news is…now that the stories aren’t being “driven” by the major newspapers in the country anymore and the secularists aren’t “screaming for a change” and the novelty has worn off, you can relax!

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You know well that they sample Democrates heavily over Republicans and independents in polls they all do it. So, yes I would say they are sampling more “Catholics” that do not attend mass regularly or at all.

But let’s get more to the point. You have been on this forum long enough to know the Catholic church is not a Democracy and doesn’t change with public opinion.I also do not believe there is outrage among the laity concerning the churches positions on these issues. A good number of AMERICAN Catholics most likely do disagree with the Magisterium on these issues (I will concede that), and will say so if they are asked. But I do not believe they are calling the NY TIMES demanding a poll be done.

So, who keeps calling for these polls and why?

They simply do not matter. And that’s what’s frustrating the Liberal media. They are the ones calling for these polls to be done because they are used to crafting polls to support a liberal agenda, therefore putting pressure on law makers to pass xyz…

But it’s not working with the Catholic church. And that pisses them off even more.\

100% of all Catholics worldwide could be for Gay Marriage, women priests, etc…etc… and it wouldn’t make a hill of beans difference. The truth is the truth and the Magisterium would not change it’s position because it has to promote the truth.

And the AMERICAN media doesn’t get that.

 

[Chan26]

The truth is the truth and the Magisterium would not change it’s position because it has to promote the truth.And the AMERICAN media doesn’t get that.

*And what will you say about the “truth” when the church begins to allow priests to marry or women to become priests? But of course, we will have to wait.
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[Steveabrous]

*And what will you say about the “truth” when the church begins to allow priests to marry or women to become priests? But of course, we will have to wait.
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The church may allow married men to become priests. That is a discipline that can change.

Women will never become priests. This is a doctrine that has been decided and can not change.