Why does the Holy Cloud of Mt. Tabor only cover the Orthodox church and not the Catholic ones as well?

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The devil can do wonders and give power to humans so they can do wonders such as this one as well.

On the other hand, a true miracle is always for the glory of God and always has a teaching with it.

Thus, I ask what the lesson is in this case in case this really is a miracle
 
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You are technically right. The use of a prayer rope or strand of prayer beads was conceived by the Desert Fathers (Orthodox monastics who would live in the seclusion of deserts). Eventually this became the standard prayer rope that all of us Orthodox use to recite the Jesus prayer, Theotokos prayer, and several others. There is also a precedent to the Western Style rosary which was used by Orthodox for centuries. It has declined somewhat in use with laity, but many monastics still use it and call it now the “Rosary of St Seraphim of Sarov” because he rekindled its use. The Theotokos was the one who gave it to monastics to use for her great intercessions. It consists of a meditation of 15 “mysteries” with 150 “Hail Mary” (in the Eastern style) prayers and 150 “Our Father” prayers. The Western Style rosary developed after the prayer rope of the Desert Fathers and was derived around the same time as the Rosary of St Seraphim. In Catholic tradition, the Theotokos also appeared to a St (I think it is St Dominic) and gave her the formula to pray. It is a common practice between both churches to use a prayer rope/prayer bead formula, though the purpose is a bit different
 
[/quote] The Eastern Orthodox have prayer ropes and the Jesus Prayer, but I don’t think the Rosary is standard, though it is prayed by some. From what I’ve heard, this also goes for Eastern Catholics, so it appears to be a mostly East/West thing, not a Catholic/Orthodox thing. That said, the Rosary has sort of become a Catholic symbol, so it’s significant that Mary would carry one with her.
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Yes, it is more of an East/West difference
 
Once again, going to echo MrsDizzyD, this is a logical fallacy, in that it is a non-sequitor.

#1: You’re still assuming it’s a miracle, which is not necessarily true.

#2: In order for your statement to be true, Rome would have had to have received this sort of miracle prior to the Schism, and then lost it afterwards. To my knowledge, this sort of miracle was never recorded in Rome.

#3: You’re ignoring the fact that many miracles are tied to specific places, such as Lourdes. As I said in my first post, if this is miraculous, I imagine it would keep happening if that Parish converted to Eastern Rite Catholicism.

#4: You’re sort of cherry picking proofs. There are plenty of other proofs to show that Orthodoxy is not the religion Christ founded; not least of which is their division, which flies in the face of Christ’s explicit command for unity. You can make a case for almost any religion being the correct one if you only base it on one or two supposed miracles / teachings. What you have to do is step back and look at all of their claims as a whole. When you do that, Orthodoxy just doesn’t stand up.
 
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These are just the three major ones I’ve had a little bit of exposure to, but as far as I’m aware, there are many more. These alone seem to signal that, at the very least, Mary cares about Catholics and doesn’t seem too interested in pulling us to Eastern Orthodoxy.
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Um, there have been reported apparitions of Mary to various Orthodox saints and others, who had some devotion to her.

I think it is more likely that Mary would appear to those who are devoted to her. It’s not a question of her “caring” about Catholics more than she does Orthodox, or for that matter the atheist up the street. She loves all her children.
 
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My comment was more dealing with the idea of there being miracles significant to Catholicism, not that Orthodoxy has some monopoly over or share in all of them, since that seems to be the concern here. It’s more a recognition that Mary shows a lot of care for Catholics and doesn’t require us to be Orthodox, not that she only appears to Catholics while turning her back on Orthodox.
 
Now we’re assuming a cloud on a mountain is a strange happening. Lord have mercy…
 
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I might have you confused for another user, and if so I apologize. But what’s up with the recent spate of “the Orthodox have such-and-such miracle and why don’t we?” threads? Don’t you see that for every Orthodox (or Jewish or Muslim or what have you) miracle a Catholic can cite their own? Why did God allow Our Lady to visit the Portuguese Catholics and make the sun dance in front of them and not the Greeks if the Orthodox is the true Church? Why did God allow Our Lady to visit the Copts in Cairo (Our Lady of Zeitoun) if the Council of Chalcedon is a valid Ecumenical Council?

My answer to all of these would be the same:
  1. I’m not certain these were actually miraculous.
  2. If they were miraculous I’m not privy to God’s reasons for allowing them.
  3. God allows miracles to occur even for people who are wrong about something.
 
A rainbow 🌈 formed over my house three times. Is that a sign that I’m better than my neighbors?
 
No. It’s a sign of the Lord’s promise to your neighbors that he’ll never again allow such a schmuck to move in.
 
“Blessed are they who suffer his memes for the sake of politeness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.”

The 9th Beatitude
 
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If the phenomenon is authentic, whether of natural or divine origin, the fog likely predates the church. Thus the Orthodox church was built where the fog occurred, and the nearby Catholic Church was simply built in a spot where it does not occur.
 
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Why did God allow Our Lady to visit the Portuguese Catholics and make the sun dance in front of them and not the Greeks if the Orthodox is the true Church?
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Hi Albert,

The issue at hand is the fact that both Orthodox and Catholic were both present at the same place invoking God for the same thing at “miracles” like Mt. Tabor and the Holy Fire. The Orthodox were blessed with what they were asking for and the Catholic was ignored, and this was done on a consistent basis.

That is my issue I’m pointing out on this thread.
 
You could ask for so many things: World Peace, Christian Unity, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera…

No, they asked for a Cloud
 
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