Why does the SSPX laity and so forth not say

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But adding them to the Mysteries of the Rosary in effect abolishes the original, historical and traditional intent of the devotion.
The intent of the devotion was not to be “Our Lady’s Psalter”. The intent was to bring people to Our Lord, to convert nations, however you’d like to put it. Adding the Luminous Mysteries does not change this intent. Again, can someone show me how it would be wrong, evil, lacking to meditate on more of Christ’s life in an effort to convert the nations?
 
The intent of the devotion was not to be “Our Lady’s Psalter”. The intent was to bring people to Our Lord, to convert nations, however you’d like to put it. Adding the Luminous Mysteries does not change this intent. Again, can someone show me how it would be wrong, evil, lacking to meditate on more of Christ’s life in an effort to convert the nations?
No one can show you that it is wrong, evil or lacking to meditate on the Luminous mysteries, because it is not. That is not the intent of the argument against having them added to the Rosary. Why do you find it necessary to suggest that by defending the traditional method of the Rosary with 15 decades, one is therefore saying that the Luminous mysteries are evil? You are purposely creating division with such nonsense. And yes, the intention of the devotion was to be Our Lady’s Psalter, whether that is your intent or not.
 
I think some traditionalists might appreciate them more if they didn’t look at them quite so suspiciously. They are medicine for neo-Modernism. Read St. Pius X’s syllabus of Modernist errors, then study up on some new Modernist errors. They tend to deal with the rationalizing of miracles, the rejection of the Kingdom of God as a reality (especially within the Church), the rejection of the necessity of Baptism, rejection of Marian devotion, rejection of the Divinity of Christ and rejection of the Real Presence–the Luminous mysteries drive the Truth of those all home.

That being said, they were not a command by John Paul II (as far as I am aware) so no one should be chastized for using them or not.
 
No one can show you that it is wrong, evil or lacking to meditate on the Luminous mysteries, because it is not. That is not the intent of the argument against having them added to the Rosary. Why do you find it necessary to suggest that by defending the traditional method of the Rosary with 15 decades, one is therefore saying that the Luminous mysteries are evil? You are purposely creating division with such nonsense. And yes, the intention of the devotion was to be Our Lady’s Psalter, whether that is your intent or not.
You’re kidding me? You actually think that the intent of the devotion was a name?

Look, if people are so bent on the numbers game, why is it that you have not problem with the decades being broken up the way the Psalms actually are? They certainly didn’t go numbers 1-10, 11-20, etc., etc., etc. Could it be that it was not called Our Lady’s Psalter because it contained 150 Aves but because the Hail Marys are psalms (songs of worship) to Our Lady?

Look at the evolution of the beads. First they were to help count when saying the 150 actual Psalms from the Bible. Then it would appear that people actually got lazy and stopped memorizing them. Then the beads/rocks, etc. were used in other ways (see article that I linked). Mary actually instructed one who whizzed through the 150 to do a slow 50 instead.

It’s nice to think that Mary came down and handed St. Dominic a set of Rosary beads and told him that he should mediiate on these mysteries and count so many beads, etc., but it isn’t historically correct. Quite frankly, she did what the Church has done in many instances. She took something and made it her own and never once did she say that it must remain the same for all times.
 
You’re kidding me? You actually think that the intent of the devotion was a name?
What? I said the name of the devotion is Our Lady’s Psalter. The intent is to honor Our Lady with Aves representing the 150 psalms.
Look, if people are so bent on the numbers game, why is it that you have not problem with the decades being broken up the way the Psalms actually are? They certainly didn’t go numbers 1-10, 11-20, etc., etc., etc. Could it be that it was not called Our Lady’s Psalter because it contained 150 Aves but because the Hail Marys are psalms (songs of worship) to Our Lady?
I think you’re just bent on arguing with any traditionalist for whatever reason. According to St. Thomas Aquinas, the Psalms are divided into 3 parts of 50 psalms. These 3 parts represent the states of penance, justice and glory. It is called Our Lady’s Psalter because it contains 150 Aves which represent the 150 Psalms of David.
 
What? I said the name of the devotion is Our Lady’s Psalter. The intent is to honor Our Lady with Aves representing the 150 psalms.

I think you’re just bent on arguing with any traditionalist for whatever reason. According to St. Thomas Aquinas, the Psalms are divided into 3 parts of 50 psalms. These 3 parts represent the states of penance, justice and glory. It is called Our Lady’s Psalter because it contains 150 Aves which represent the 150 Psalms of David.
I’m not bent on arguing with any traditionalist. I only debate those who’s theories lack historical accuracy. Again, I suggest this:
newadvent.org/cathen/13184b.htm
 
I think you’re just bent on arguing with any traditionalist for whatever reason. According to St. Thomas Aquinas, the Psalms are divided into 3 parts of 50 psalms. These 3 parts represent the states of penance, justice and glory. It is called Our Lady’s Psalter because it contains 150 Aves which represent the 150 Psalms of David.
And I daresay the numbers rarely register in the thoughts of most Catholics saying the Rosary, ever. And it’s not as if we’re being asked to meditate on error. We asked to look at other crucial events in the life of Christ.

Yes, I personally think this is PRECISELY the kind of thing that makes some self-proclaimed “traditionalists” look a little silly, this inability to seperate Sacred Tradition from tradition. Puts me in mind of the following link:

traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A204rcRatzSunGlasses.htm

Papal suglasses: Organic development or could it be…SATAN!!!

As a wise man once said, “All moreover should abhor that intemperate zeal which imagines that whatever is new should for that very reason be opposed or suspected.”
 
You know, when St. Pius X decreed that the Scapular medal could be worn instead of the Scapular, were people upset? Did they protest the idea as destroying the intent of Our Lady and the meaning of the devotion? Our Lady never said anything about medals, only wool scapulars. She never made any exceptions. Likewise, the point of the Scapular is to be like a habit or like her garment (the wool also evokes thoughts of the Lamb)–the medal completely throws off this symbolism. 🤷
 
the scpaular has nothing to do with the title of this post. once again my posts are getting derailed. sigh…i don’t get why you guys cannot remain somewhat civil and discuss things about the post and keep it on track. iam asking about why the sspx and nothing else, the sspx, why they do not say the luminous mysteries. no one else. just the sspx. i hope i made that clear. we are no there to debate the psalters or anything else. just the sspx and why they do not say the luminous mysteries,. again, that is all. nothing else.did i not ask in my op, to please not argue? yes i did.

sspx draws alot of bad arguing. i don’t want that to happen i made that clear in my post. i made it clear.i dont post things like this to draw arguments iam trying to understand why certain groups do the thing they do or believe what they believe. this is about the sspx and why they do not say the luminous mysteries so please respect that.sheesh.:mad:
 
the scpaular has nothing to do with the title of this post. once again my posts are getting derailed. sigh…i don’t get why you guys cannot remain somewhat civil and discuss things about the post and keep it on track. iam asking about why the sspx and nothing else, the sspx, why they do not say the luminous mysteries. no one else. just the sspx. i hope i made that clear. we are no there to debate the psalters or anything else. just the sspx and why they do not say the luminous mysteries,. again, that is all. nothing else.
Sorry…I thought it was a good parallel of a Pope altering a sacramental given by Our Lady :o .
 
the scpaular has nothing to do with the title of this post. once again my posts are getting derailed. sigh…i don’t get why you guys cannot remain somewhat civil and discuss things about the post and keep it on track. iam asking about why the sspx and nothing else, the sspx, why they do not say the luminous mysteries. no one else. just the sspx. i hope i made that clear. we are no there to debate the psalters or anything else. just the sspx and why they do not say the luminous mysteries,. again, that is all. nothing else.did i not ask in my op, to please not argue? yes i did.

sspx draws alot of bad arguing. i don’t want that to happen i made that clear in my post. i made it clear.i dont post things liek this to draw arguments iam trying to understand why certain groups do the thing they do or believe what they believe. this is about the sspx and why they do not say the luminous mysteries so please respect that.sheesh.:mad:
Well then, I guess you’ve already got your answer. 👍 That said, I would think that it would be good to discuss the merits or lack thereof of their beliefs.

The scapular thing does have a role to play because hardly anybody sneezed at that one (although Genesis, I have heard sneezes). One has to ask himself why?

Anyways, sorry TraditionalCath. If you don’t want to discuss merits or lack of merits, I’d suggest going right to the SSPX websites to find out what they believe. Then you won’t get anyone’s opinions but their’s. Trying to limit discussion on forums is a pretty hard thing to do!🤷
 
i have no desire to go there thanks. i appreciate your posts but regardless, the scapular does not have anything to do with the question at hand. so again, please, lets keep it on track.
 
i have no desire to go there thanks. i appreciate your posts but regardless, the scapular does not have anything to do with the question at hand. so again, please, lets keep it on track.
I think you were answered quite early on. You, as the thread’s initiator, can ask the moderators to close the thread once your question is answered.
 
What more of the answer would you like? I think the SSPX position has been explained fairly well.

Here’s something I’d like to ask (hope you don’t mind TraditionalCath) for those of you who said that it should have been proposed in a chaplet, do you say the Luminous Mysteries that way then?
 
And I daresay the numbers rarely register in the thoughts of most Catholics saying the Rosary, ever. And it’s not as if we’re being asked to meditate on error. We asked to look at other crucial events in the life of Christ.

Yes, I personally think this is PRECISELY the kind of thing that makes some self-proclaimed “traditionalists” look a little silly, this inability to seperate Sacred Tradition from tradition. Puts me in mind of the following link:

traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A204rcRatzSunGlasses.htm

Papal suglasses: Organic development or could it be…SATAN!!!

As a wise man once said, “All moreover should abhor that intemperate zeal which imagines that whatever is new should for that very reason be opposed or suspected.”
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What more of the answer would you like? I think the SSPX position has been explained fairly well.

Here’s something I’d like to ask (hope you don’t mind TraditionalCath) for those of you who said that it should have been proposed in a chaplet, do you say the Luminous Mysteries that way then?
I say the Luminous Mysteries every Thursday, and lots of people call me a rad trad. I like the idea of a chaplet, though. I never thought of it before. Hmmm…
 
I don’t really see the difference. It certainly can’t be a bad thing to meditate on the Luminous Mysteries so, however it gets done… That said, if one is saying the complete Rosary, why wouldn’t you add this “chaplet” in? It certainly couldn’t be bad to do something you consider extra.

This reminds me, my BIL has set of “Irish” Rosary beads. It has the traditional 5 decades plus an extra. No meditation. It’s strictly an intercessory decade for Ireland. The horrors!:eek:
 
I say the Luminous Mysteries every Thursday, and lots of people call me a rad trad. I like the idea of a chaplet, though. I never thought of it before. Hmmm…
See what I mean? This isn’t a “Traditionalist” thing.
 
I don’t really see the difference. It certainly can’t be a bad thing to meditate on the Luminous Mysteries so, however it gets done… That said, if one is saying the complete Rosary, why wouldn’t you add this “chaplet” in? It certainly couldn’t be bad to do something you consider extra.

This reminds me, my BIL has set of “Irish” Rosary beads. It has the traditional 5 decades plus an extra. No meditation. It’s strictly an intercessory decade for Ireland. The horrors!:eek:
good point bear. how can meditating on our Lord be a bad thing???:confused:
 
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