Why doesn't God just not create the bad people to keep them from going to hell

[fred_conty]

Why doesn’t God just not create the bad people to keep them from going to hell. This seems to be an on going saga.

Jimmy Stewart starred in a movie called “It’s a wonderful life”. In it he becomes very discouraged since he feels he has made some bad decisions which have hurt other people. And there is a scene where he is looking down at the black water from a bridge about ready to take the jump and end it. But an angel appears and starts talking to him about all the good he has done for others. Then there are playbacks of his life showing the good he did to others. Then he realizes that if he had not lived that those other folk would have been hurt in serious ways, and he saw that he did make a difference in their lives.

The point of the story is that everyone makes mistakes but still everyone contributes something to someone else being a better person or having a better life.

And there is also the other side of this coin, that everyone can also be a bad influence as well and lead people down hill.

It may be true that there are a few really good people in the world, and that there a few really bad people in the world, but most are a combination of good and bad. All we have to do to see this truth is to look at oneself honestly.

And every time a bad deed is done, it adversely affects others in a bad way. Even if it is done in secret, it affects us adversely which in turn later affects others. For example we get into a rotten mood, it is going to be felt by those around us. This too can lead others to respond to us in a very bad way which can cause all sorts of bad stuff to happen.

So we lead people to heaven or hell, in a great way or taking short steps, but enveriably we do.

So if God did not create a person who would go to hell, the good in that person would be missed which might be necessary for someone else to go to heaven. So if the latter person were not created then the good someone else would need from them to go to heaven then this person could not be created. And so on down this chain for billions of people.

Now God would be in quite a delema if he eliminated from birth everyone who influences others in a bad way. For very few would be left to create, if any. Why I say “if any” is because of Adam and Eve had all the advantages and yet failed. So if God chose this path, would we have ever been created?

It may be easy to say, “God could easily not create anyone going to hell”, but then in looking at this in practical realistic terms, it would be a contradiction in terms to create and not create because of so many conditions and variables. In the end it might come down to 10 people needed if one person is to go to heaven while 7 of these couldn’t possibly created because of people before them being eliminated.

And there are other conditions as well, such as other types of dependencies as parenthood, where a parent might be eliminated, and so the whole future family would be eliminated, which could eliminate millions down the line.

Another condition to consider is population, a smaller one would also influence a person one way or another in jobs, housing, farms, industry, …

Sounds easy to say that God should “just do it”, but … what’s your verdict or consideration?

Praise be to Jesus Christ.

 

[fhansen]

Why doesn’t God just not create the bad people to keep them from going to hell. This seems to be an on going saga.

Jimmy Stewart starred in a movie called “It’s a wonderful life”. In it he becomes very discouraged since he feels he has made some bad decisions which have hurt other people. And there is a scene where he is looking down at the black water from a bridge about ready to take the jump and end it. But an angel appears and starts talking to him about all the good he has done for others. Then there are playbacks of his life showing the good he did to others. Then he realizes that if he had not lived that those other folk would have been hurt in serious ways, and he saw that he did make a difference in their lives.

The point of the story is that everyone makes mistakes but still everyone contributes something to someone else being a better person or having a better life.

And there is also the other side of this coin, that everyone can also be a bad influence as well and lead people down hill.

It may be true that there are a few really good people in the world, and that there a few really bad people in the world, but most are a combination of good and bad. All we have to do to see this truth is to look at oneself honestly.

And every time a bad deed is done, it adversely affects others in a bad way. Even if it is done in secret, it affects us adversely which in turn later affects others. For example we get into a rotten mood, it is going to be felt by those around us. This too can lead others to respond to us in a very bad way which can cause all sorts of bad stuff to happen.

So we lead people to heaven or hell, in a great way or taking short steps, but enveriably we do.

So if God did not create a person who would go to hell, the good in that person would be missed which might be necessary for someone else to go to heaven. So if the latter person were not created then the good someone else would need from them to go to heaven then this person could not be created. And so on down this chain for billions of people.

Now God would be in quite a delema if he eliminated from birth everyone who influences others in a bad way. For very few would be left to create, if any. Why I say “if any” is because of Adam and Eve had all the advantages and yet failed. So if God chose this path, would we have ever been created?

It may be easy to say, “God could easily not create anyone going to hell”, but then in looking at this in practical realistic terms, it would be a contradiction in terms to create and not create because of so many conditions and variables. In the end it might come down to 10 people needed if one person is to go to heaven while 7 of these couldn’t possibly created because of people before them being eliminated.

And there are other conditions as well, such as other types of dependencies as parenthood, where a parent might be eliminated, and so the whole future family would be eliminated, which could eliminate millions down the line.

Another condition to consider is population, a smaller one would also influence a person one way or another in jobs, housing, farms, industry, …

Sounds easy to say that God should “just do it”, but … what’s your verdict or consideration?

Praise be to Jesus Christ.

Free will is real. And it means that God doesn’t create either good or bad people. He creates people and lets them choose whether they’ll be good or bad, to put it in basic terms.

 

[fred_conty]

Free will is real. And it means that God doesn’t create either good or bad people. He creates people and lets them choose whether they’ll be good or bad, to put it in basic terms.

But this post isn’t really about our free will, but about God’s possibilities about saving people from hell even tho we have free will. He knows in advance, so my post tries to give a reason why this is a contradiction and not a possibility.

May God bless and keep you. May God’s face shine on you. May God be kind to you and give you peace.

 

[Amandil]

Why doesn’t God just not create the bad people to keep them from going to hell. This seems to be an on going saga.

Jimmy Stewart starred in a movie called “It’s a wonderful life”. In it he becomes very discouraged since he feels he has made some bad decisions which have hurt other people. And there is a scene where he is looking down at the black water from a bridge about ready to take the jump and end it. But an angel appears and starts talking to him about all the good he has done for others. Then there are playbacks of his life showing the good he did to others. Then he realizes that if he had not lived that those other folk would have been hurt in serious ways, and he saw that he did make a difference in their lives.

The point of the story is that everyone makes mistakes but still everyone contributes something to someone else being a better person or having a better life.

And there is also the other side of this coin, that everyone can also be a bad influence as well and lead people down hill.

It may be true that there are a few really good people in the world, and that there a few really bad people in the world, but most are a combination of good and bad. All we have to do to see this truth is to look at oneself honestly.

And every time a bad deed is done, it adversely affects others in a bad way. Even if it is done in secret, it affects us adversely which in turn later affects others. For example we get into a rotten mood, it is going to be felt by those around us. This too can lead others to respond to us in a very bad way which can cause all sorts of bad stuff to happen.

So we lead people to heaven or hell, in a great way or taking short steps, but enveriably we do.

So if God did not create a person who would go to hell, the good in that person would be missed which might be necessary for someone else to go to heaven. So if the latter person were not created then the good someone else would need from them to go to heaven then this person could not be created. And so on down this chain for billions of people.

Now God would be in quite a delema if he eliminated from birth everyone who influences others in a bad way. For very few would be left to create, if any. Why I say “if any” is because of Adam and Eve had all the advantages and yet failed. So if God chose this path, would we have ever been created?

It may be easy to say, “God could easily not create anyone going to hell”, but then in looking at this in practical realistic terms, it would be a contradiction in terms to create and not create because of so many conditions and variables. In the end it might come down to 10 people needed if one person is to go to heaven while 7 of these couldn’t possibly created because of people before them being eliminated.

And there are other conditions as well, such as other types of dependencies as parenthood, where a parent might be eliminated, and so the whole future family would be eliminated, which could eliminate millions down the line.

Another condition to consider is population, a smaller one would also influence a person one way or another in jobs, housing, farms, industry, …

Sounds easy to say that God should “just do it”, but … what’s your verdict or consideration?

Praise be to Jesus Christ.

We don’t conceive of children based upon a cost-benefit analysis, and neither does God.

God creates freely, purely out of love for the other, the created(you and me) based on nothing but our ontological goodness.

You’re comment is no more than a pot complaining to the potter as to why it was created.

The response will always be the same, “because you’re mine and I wanted to.”

Hell comes not because God wanted you to be His, hell comes because you, either by word or deed or sin of omission, didn’t want to be God’s.

 

[Back2Church]

We don’t conceive of children based upon a cost-benefit analysis, and neither does God.

God creates freely, purely out of love for the other, the created(you and me) based on nothing but our ontological goodness.

You’re comment is no more than a pot complaining to the potter as to why it was created.

The response will always be the same, “because you’re mine and I wanted to.”

Hell comes not because God wanted you to be His, hell comes because you, either by word or deed or sin of omission, didn’t want to be God’s.

I’m not sure you read his post carefully enough. He’s not asking why God creates people who will end up in hell. He’s making the case that even those who will end up in hell have their role to play in God’s plan for salvation.

 

[AussieTrish]

We all start off as innocent babies. No one is born evil.

The choices that people make for themselves later on, make them good or evil.

 

[opusAquinas]

Why did God create the world?

To show forth His Mercy and His Justice.

Those two words Mercy and Justice.

So God respects people’s free will so He will show forth His Mercy and Justice.

Also, who is a good person? Your works will not save you. Faith and works.

 

[fred_conty]

I’m not sure you read his post carefully enough. He’s not asking why God creates people who will end up in hell. He’s making the case that even those who will end up in hell have their role to play in God’s plan for salvation.

Yes, you are right on.

I’m not looking at free will as such. Free will plays its part, but that isn’t what I’m driving at.

The question revolves around the statement, “why does God create people who are going to hell when he, being all powerful and all knowing, could have arranged to avoid this?”

What I’m trying to show is that although God is all powerful and all knowing, he can’t arrange a contradiction which this is.

An example, two brothers living evil lives, and one brother reforms his life because of what he didn’t like in his brother. So one went to hell because he was evil, but his evil was the influence that changed his brother’s life into something good, and he went to heaven.

Now if God had not created the evil brother, then the other brother would have gone to hell. So for God in this case, he either has to make 2 brothers, one going to hell and the other going to heaven, or create only one person who will go to hell because he didn’t have a brother to influence him to reform his life so he could go to heaven.

So in either case, someone is going to hell. And if God hadn’t created them both, would that be fair to the other brother who would go to heaven because of his evil brother?

And the same with not creating an evil parent, because all those relatives down the line who would have been created and gone to heaven now will be denied heaven because their evil parent was not created.

These examples could go on and on. And so we have situations where if the evil person is not allowed existence, then other good people wouldn’t be created either. And then God could be called unfair. And this is the contradiction.

Praise be Jesus Christ.

 

[Amandil]

Yes, you are right on.

I’m not looking at free will as such. Free will plays its part, but that isn’t what I’m driving at.

The question revolves around the statement, “why does God create people who are going to hell when he, being all powerful and all knowing, could have arranged to avoid this?”

What I’m trying to show is that although God is all powerful and all knowing, he can’t arrange a contradiction which this is.

An example, two brothers living evil lives, and one brother reforms his life because of what he didn’t like in his brother. So one went to hell because he was evil, but his evil was the influence that changed his brother’s life into something good, and he went to heaven.

Now if God had not created the evil brother, then the other brother would have gone to hell. So for God in this case, he either has to make 2 brothers, one going to hell and the other going to heaven, or create only one person who will go to hell because he didn’t have a brother to influence him to reform his life so he could go to heaven.

So in either case, someone is going to hell. And if God hadn’t created them both, would that be fair to the other brother who would go to heaven because of his evil brother?

And the same with not creating an evil parent, because all those relatives down the line who would have been created and gone to heaven now will be denied heaven because their evil parent was not created.

These examples could go on and on. And so we have situations where if the evil person is not allowed existence, then other good people wouldn’t be created either. And then God could be called unfair. And this is the contradiction.

Praise be Jesus Christ.

Gotcha. Sorry for the missing the point.

 

[fred_conty]

Gotcha. Sorry for the missing the point.

Me too in that I didn’t explain it clearly.

May God bless and keep you. May God’s face shine on you. May God be kind to you and give you peace.

 

[simpleas]

Yes, you are right on.

I’m not looking at free will as such. Free will plays its part, but that isn’t what I’m driving at.

The question revolves around the statement, “why does God create people who are going to hell when he, being all powerful and all knowing, could have arranged to avoid this?”

What I’m trying to show is that although God is all powerful and all knowing, he can’t arrange a contradiction which this is.

An example, two brothers living evil lives, and one brother reforms his life because of what he didn’t like in his brother. So one went to hell because he was evil, but his evil was the influence that changed his brother’s life into something good, and he went to heaven.

Now if God had not created the evil brother, then the other brother would have gone to hell. So for God in this case, he either has to make 2 brothers, one going to hell and the other going to heaven, or create only one person who will go to hell because he didn’t have a brother to influence him to reform his life so he could go to heaven.

So in either case, someone is going to hell. And if God hadn’t created them both, would that be fair to the other brother who would go to heaven because of his evil brother?

And the same with not creating an evil parent, because all those relatives down the line who would have been created and gone to heaven now will be denied heaven because their evil parent was not created.

These examples could go on and on. And so we have situations where if the evil person is not allowed existence, then other good people wouldn’t be created either. And then God could be called unfair. And this is the contradiction.

Praise be Jesus Christ.

So by this question you are asking why did God allow Adam and Eve to sin causing the whole of the human race to become sinners, went he could have prevented it from ever happening?

 

[fred_conty]

So by this question you are asking why did God allow Adam and Eve to sin causing the whole of the human race to become sinners, went he could have prevented it from ever happening?

Not from sinning but from going to hell. We can sin but not necessarily go to hell for it if we repent before death.

But the case is that some do not repent and go to hell. And how is it possible for God to avoid anyone from going to hell since even from evil there is sometimes some good that comes from it which would influence others to heaven which was the example in my post.

May God bless and keep you. May God’s face shine on you. May God be kind to you and give you peace.

 

[chimo]

Why doesn’t God just not create the bad people to keep them from going to hell. This seems to be an on going saga.

Jimmy Stewart starred in a movie called “It’s a wonderful life”. In it he becomes very discouraged since he feels he has made some bad decisions which have hurt other people. And there is a scene where he is looking down at the black water from a bridge about ready to take the jump and end it. But an angel appears and starts talking to him about all the good he has done for others. Then there are playbacks of his life showing the good he did to others. Then he realizes that if he had not lived that those other folk would have been hurt in serious ways, and he saw that he did make a difference in their lives.

The point of the story is that everyone makes mistakes but still everyone contributes something to someone else being a better person or having a better life.

And there is also the other side of this coin, that everyone can also be a bad influence as well and lead people down hill.

It may be true that there are a few really good people in the world, and that there a few really bad people in the world, but most are a combination of good and bad. All we have to do to see this truth is to look at oneself honestly.

And every time a bad deed is done, it adversely affects others in a bad way. Even if it is done in secret, it affects us adversely which in turn later affects others. For example we get into a rotten mood, it is going to be felt by those around us. This too can lead others to respond to us in a very bad way which can cause all sorts of bad stuff to happen.

So we lead people to heaven or hell, in a great way or taking short steps, but enveriably we do.

So if God did not create a person who would go to hell, the good in that person would be missed which might be necessary for someone else to go to heaven. So if the latter person were not created then the good someone else would need from them to go to heaven then this person could not be created. And so on down this chain for billions of people.

Now God would be in quite a delema if he eliminated from birth everyone who influences others in a bad way. For very few would be left to create, if any. Why I say “if any” is because of Adam and Eve had all the advantages and yet failed. So if God chose this path, would we have ever been created?

It may be easy to say, “God could easily not create anyone going to hell”, but then in looking at this in practical realistic terms, it would be a contradiction in terms to create and not create because of so many conditions and variables. In the end it might come down to 10 people needed if one person is to go to heaven while 7 of these couldn’t possibly created because of people before them being eliminated.

And there are other conditions as well, such as other types of dependencies as parenthood, where a parent might be eliminated, and so the whole future family would be eliminated, which could eliminate millions down the line.

Another condition to consider is population, a smaller one would also influence a person one way or another in jobs, housing, farms, industry, …

Sounds easy to say that God should “just do it”, but … what’s your verdict or consideration?

Praise be to Jesus Christ.

God took a risk in creating us and the angels. He knew who would except Him and who would not and yet He went through it anyway knowing full well what grief it would bring Him. Why would God go through this knowing the grief it would bring Him? It is because He knew who would accept Him that’s why. Jesus said about the weeds found among the wheat to let both of them grow. It is a great mystery why God allows this. It is even a greater mystery why angels had chosen to be devils knowing in full advance what saints they would have been. At least in men and women the opportunity to become saints is always opened to the day they die.

 

[fred_conty]

God took a risk in creating us and the angels. He knew who would except Him and who would not and yet He went through it anyway knowing full well what grief it would bring Him. Why would God go through this knowing the grief it would bring Him? It is because He knew who would accept Him that’s why. Jesus said about the weeds found among the wheat to let both of them grow. It is a great mystery why God allows this. It is even a greater mystery why angels had chosen to be devils knowing in full advance what saints they would have been. At least in men and women the opportunity to become saints is always opened to the day they die.

Yes, I believe that and you believe that but there are others who don’t believe that and say that God should not have created those that are going to hell if God can do the impossible. What would you say?

 

[chimo]

Yes, I believe that and you believe that but there are others who don’t believe that and say that God should not have created those that are going to hell if God can do the impossible. What would you say?

May be God cannot do the impossible. Perhaps he needs our yes. You can’t force someone to say yes. You need their consent just like the one the Holy Mother had given, the Holy Angels and from us as well.

 

[fred_conty]

May be God cannot do the impossible. Perhaps he needs our yes. You can’t force someone to say yes. You need their consent just like the one the Holy Mother had given, the Holy Angels and from us as well.

But didn’t Jesus say, “nothing is impossible with God”?

May God bless and keep you. May God’s face shine on you. May God be kind to you and give you peace.

 

[fhansen]

Yes, you are right on.

I’m not looking at free will as such. Free will plays its part, but that isn’t what I’m driving at.

The question revolves around the statement, “why does God create people who are going to hell when he, being all powerful and all knowing, could have arranged to avoid this?”

What I’m trying to show is that although God is all powerful and all knowing, he can’t arrange a contradiction which this is.

An example, two brothers living evil lives, and one brother reforms his life because of what he didn’t like in his brother. So one went to hell because he was evil, but his evil was the influence that changed his brother’s life into something good, and he went to heaven.

Now if God had not created the evil brother, then the other brother would have gone to hell. So for God in this case, he either has to make 2 brothers, one going to hell and the other going to heaven, or create only one person who will go to hell because he didn’t have a brother to influence him to reform his life so he could go to heaven.

So in either case, someone is going to hell. And if God hadn’t created them both, would that be fair to the other brother who would go to heaven because of his evil brother?

And the same with not creating an evil parent, because all those relatives down the line who would have been created and gone to heaven now will be denied heaven because their evil parent was not created.

These examples could go on and on. And so we have situations where if the evil person is not allowed existence, then other good people wouldn’t be created either. And then God could be called unfair. And this is the contradiction.

Praise be Jesus Christ.

The church teaches that God can use evil to bring about an even greater good. But I’m not sure that we can second-guess or predict how that might work itself out, if we can say that some people must go to hell in order for others to attain heaven, for example. A similar question might be, “Why did God create at all-or create beings with free will, at least-if evil would result?” Either way we do have to consider the importance of free will in this. God simply doesn’t create anyone who is destined by Him for hell.

 

[chimo]

But didn’t Jesus say, “nothing is impossible with God”?

May God bless and keep you. May God’s face shine on you. May God be kind to you and give you peace.

If you give your consent. Think about it. God can do anything if you are willing. The Lord has willed that our consent is a vitally important ingredient. You have to read between the lines to get what Jesus is saying. If you are unwilling to give any consent to the Lord you are not going to give Him any Glory. Now that does not mean God cannot do any good for us if we say no. The paradox of when we say no to God is that He can use it to derive a greater good. It may not happen right away but we just have to look at the Cross to find this one out. Many rejected the Lord but He used the occasion to derive a greater good which is our Redemption. It is not an automatic Redemption. People still need to come to accept it. Yes nothing is impossible for God when evil is thrown at Him. He sill loves us despite the evil. Can we though love back if evil is thrown in our direction?

 

[fred_conty]

If you give your consent. Think about it. God can do anything if you are willing. The Lord has willed that our consent is a vitally important ingredient. You have to read between the lines to get what Jesus is saying. If you are unwilling to give any consent to the Lord you are not going to give Him any Glory. Now that does not mean God cannot do any good for us if we say no. The paradox of when we say no to God is that He can use it to derive a greater good. It may not happen right away but we just have to look at the Cross to find this one out. Many rejected the Lord but He used the occasion to derive a greater good which is our Redemption. It is not an automatic Redemption. People still need to come to accept it. Yes nothing is impossible for God when evil is thrown at Him. He sill loves us despite the evil. Can we though love back if evil is thrown in our direction?

But some say if God is all good and all knowing, then he could figure a way around sending people to hell. We know that people are going to hell…7 billion people on earth…they can’t all be going to heaven.

So the very hard question is, in spite of free will and grace and all the other good things, why can’t God figure a way around all of this so all go to heaven?

May God bless and keep you. May God’s face shine on you. May God be kind to you and give you peace.

 

[chimo]

But some say if God is all good and all knowing, then he could figure a way around sending people to hell. We know that people are going to hell…7 billion people on earth…they can’t all be going to heaven.

So the very hard question is, in spite of free will and grace and all the other good things, why can’t God figure a way around all of this so all go to heaven?

May God bless and keep you. May God’s face shine on you. May God be kind to you and give you peace.

I think God is more generous than we give Him credit for. People only go to Hell if they want to reject totally any Graces from God. You have to be a person who grows into such a state of hatred to be in a Hell. Your question is not what God could have done but it needs to be more what we could have done. It is to my understanding that God has given us incredible powers. I am talking about the Church here. We have the power says Jesus to trample over scorpions and demons. The problem today is we do not use that power in the way the Lord wants us to. Yes God can do it but it must be channeled through us. God has given us this responsibility. If the people in the Church were utilizing that power everyday this world will be converted overnight. The problem is we as Christians at least the majority of us are not understanding what we are called to do. This is what limits God. It is really us who limits Him. If we only would learn and study from the saints for it is in these people that God’s love and power is unleashed into the world. We need to act more the saint who can unleash this God into the world. God has made Himself vulnerable. He wants us to empower Him and by doing this He makes us into saints. There would have been no saints if God became the nurse maid to everyone. We would have been worse of.