Why doesn't God want Female Priests?

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… I am simply asking the follow-up question of “why then?” to people who argue that the current policy is God’s will.
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Genesis. Adam is the first priest.
  • Gen 2:15 And the Lord God took man, and put him into the paradise of pleasure, to dress it, and to keep it.
  • Gen 2:18 And the Lord God said: It is not good for man to be alone: let us make him a help like unto himself.
  • Gen 2:19 And the Lord God having formed out of the ground all the beasts of the earth, and all the fowls of the air, brought them to Adam to see what he would call them: for whatsoever Adam called any living creature the same is its name.
  • Gen 2:23 And Adam said: This now is bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called woman, because she was taken out of man.
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Vico said:
Genesis. Adam is the first priest.
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Hmm. How do you figure?

Interestingly enough, we see an anomaly here. Prior to the Mosaic covenant, it was the patriarch of the family who filled the role of priest, offering sacrifice to God. But, in Genesis, we see that Cain and Abel – the sons! – are the ones offering sacrifice. It’s as if Adam were ‘passed over’ as patriarchal priest (perhaps due to his sin?) in favor of his sons… 🤔
 
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Vico:
Genesis. Adam is the first priest.
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Hmm. How do you figure?

Interestingly enough, we see an anomaly here. Prior to the Mosaic covenant, it was the patriarch of the family who filled the role of priest, offering sacrifice to God. But, in Genesis, we see that Cain and Abel – the sons! – are the ones offering sacrifice. It’s as if Adam were ‘passed over’ as patriarchal priest (perhaps due to his sin?) in favor of his sons… 🤔
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When Brian Pizzalato (Director of Catechesis, R.C.I.A. & Lay Apostolate for the Diocese of Duluth Minnesota, USA) wrote about Holy Orders he showed the parallel. Adam the priest is to sacrifice his self for Eve to stop death and sin, as did New Adam 1 Corinthians 15:45.
The Garden of Eden is the Tabernacle
and the High priest keeps it		AdamDescendents
Tree of Live is the MenorahGen 2:9Exodus 25:31-40
Priest keep/guard and till/serveGen 2:15Numbers 3:7-8
God’s presence in the tabernacleGen 3:82 Samuel 7:6-7
Guarding the tabernacle EastGen 3:241 Kings 6:23-28
Also: If Adam is to sacrifice his self for Eve to stop death and sin it would not have stopped the actual sin of Eve, but as representative of the human race Adam potentially would have done something good.
 
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Because males have an easier time saying ‘NO’.

And SOMEONE needs to keep wearing the pants and keep the ‘PANTS’ industry alive.

It would be bad for business if the ‘pants’ industry went under… very very bad…
 
simpleas said:
A women can not say the words of the mass and serve God in the same way a man can, because she isn’t a man…So men obviously are seen as more privileged because God came as a man and no woman can be a man.
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Why look at it as more or less privileged? Why not look at it as different responsibilities? God did come as a man, but the Blessed Virgin Mary is the highest non divine person. No man could have been the mother of God.
 
Gorgias said:
None of these were priests.
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And neither were the Apostles. No where in the Bible are the Apostles called Priests.

Calling the successors to the Apostles Priests is a latter adaption of the Church. Just as the Mass is a series of Latter Adaptions.

Acts, the Mass was not a single event. It was done in 2 separate venues. It would not be a single venue until after the last destruction of the Temple in ~ 70 AD. An Altar was introduced latter by Pope Sixtus II (257-259)

And before you even attempt to use presbuteros as an argument. Acts 15:23 denotes a distinction between Apostle and Elder(presbuteros ) Act 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:

Saying Priest is derived from presbuteros is a nice attempt, but on a scholarly level, it does not hold water. The Greek is what it is. It does not lie.

The word the Greek uses for Priest is never used to describe the Apostles:
G2409 hiereus From G2413; a priest (literally or figuratively): - (high) priest.
 
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And if anyone in the Bible would have called themselves a Priest it would have been St Paul. But he does not. He at best at his own self-proclamation that he is an Apostle. Nor does Paul proclaim to be an Elder at all.

Even this makes a distinction between Priest and Elder( presbuteros )
Act 25:15 About whom, when I was at Jerusalem, the chief priests and the elders of the Jews informed me, desiring to have judgment against him.
 
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Because there aren’t any different responsibilities that can be compared to Pope, bishop, priest etc, for a woman in the church, hence a male privileged role.
 
OK, but again, why do you look at it as privilege versus different responsibilities? Within the Church those who are in charge are servants. So, the men who hold these roles are servants to the women. From that point of view men are servile to women in the Church. So I could ask why do women have the privilege of not being servants to men in the Church?
 
I find it quite offensive that you suggest that the Blessed Virgin Mary would have made a good priest. Despite what the modern world, with its onslaught of rabid feminism, may tell you, there are concrete differences between males and females. Males are simply biological suited to community leadership roles, whilst women are naturally more caring and therefore should stick to raising children.
 
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billsannie said:
The big problem with citing Mary in this case is that while Mary is extremely important in the Catholic Church, modern women are not (at least, not in a direct way) and no matter what their competence, they never can be.
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this is a false view and one from only a human POV. Women have always been important to the church. Basing ‘importance’ on human ideas of leadership or roles is where you go wrong. Everyone is important to the church. Every role is important to the church. To perceive the priesthood as more important and more powerful position than other roles in the church misses the whole point of the priesthood and the laity That is where the ‘women should be priests’ crowd fail to understand Church teaching and the nature of the ministerial priesthood.

The Church is about service, no matter what role you have. The priesthood is only one part of the church. And frankly, for the vast majority of us the least desirable or the seminaries would be overflowing. Any woman who fully understands the nature and demands of the priesthood would get down on her knees and thank God that they are excluded.
 
I maybe reading you wrong, but I said there are no different responsibilities to compare, so I can’t look at it that way.
 
There are nuns and religious sisters.

Tell me who had more impact on more people and is more likely to be ‘higher’ in heaven, Pope Paul VI or Mother Teresa?

To whom does the average Catholic woman feel closer–to Pope Francis or to St. Therese of the Child Jesus?

Whose bravery is better known–any Pope of the last 5 centuries, or St. Joan of Arc?

Who is arguably the most read and influential Catholic religious of the 20th century–Pope John XXIII or St. Faustina?

How many Popes are there? Not all that many.
How many really ‘powerful’ Cardinals or bishops or priests out there leading people to holiness? Not all that many.

But how many women religious are there who nurtured the Faith of literally millions of Catholics, whether as teachers, healers, writers, or workers?

This century and the previous ones are ‘blips’ in time. Who is ‘big’ at one time isn’t even remembered a few years later.

Who knows who Cardinal Merry Del Val was today?
Who thinks of Cardinal Richelieu without an inward frisson of distaste?

Yet who still reads St. Teresa of Avilla, St. Hildegaard of Bingen, St. Catherine of Siena, not to mention St. Edith Stein, Dorothy Day, Edna St. Vincent Millay, etc.?
 
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