Why doesn't the Church teach Judas isn't in hell

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marymyheroine said:
You are correct in saying that the Church makes to judgement as to who is, or is not, in Hell. Jesus,also, teaches that the road to Heaven is very narrow. We must not delude ourselves into thinking that everyone goes to Heaven.
We cannont allow ourselves to fall into the Protestant way of thinking of “once saved, always saved”.
I’ve found myself disagreeing with most of what you’ve shared on your thoughts of Jesus. Jesus is God. He is the Word of God Made Flesh. His thoughts were God’s thoughts. That was why he knew exactly what the Pharisees were thinking everytime they tried to trip him up with the questions they’d ask him. That was why His word alone could drive out a demon from a possessed person. When you look up on Jesus, you are seeing God. :signofcross:
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Yes, I believe that when I look upon Jesus I am looking upon God, but this is the great mystery of our faith. God, omnipotent God, took the form of human flesh and became a man, a poor man with all the limitations, temptations and fears that poor men have. Among the limitations we have as poor men (and women) is our lack of knowledge. I believe that Jesus grew in wisdom as all of us do precisely because he was God who accepted the limitations of mortal men in order to bring our salvation to fruition. Did Jesus stub his toe? Did he get splinters or stones in his sandals? Did he hunger and thirst? I believe he did, despite the fact that he is God. The great scandal and joy of Christianity is that an absolute God so loved the world with all its beauty and putridness, that he became one of us - totally and completely. I can’t explain it or understand it. Jesus did not cling to his divinity, which is why we, as human persons, can proclaim it today. Yes, when you look upon Jesus you are seeing God . . . a God who so loved the world that he accepted the limitations of being a human being.
 
bsroufek said:
The writings of Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich include a vision of Jesus visiting Hell shortly after His death and talking to Judas, who was there.

[Here](http://www.jesus-passion.com/THE_PASSION6.htm#CHAPTER LIX) is the link to the Chapter of her visions, just search for “Judas”.
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Yes, I have read her account and description, and wonder if there is any significant difference/meaning/purpose to the abyss which is within the ‘room/chamber’. Perhaps it is that Satan only holds total sway/control of the abyss/pit?
 
Tsuwano said:
Yes, I believe that when I look upon Jesus I am looking upon God, but this is the great mystery of our faith. God, omnipotent God, took the form of human flesh and became a man, a poor man with all the limitations, temptations and fears that poor men have. Among the limitations we have as poor men (and women) is our lack of knowledge. I believe that Jesus grew in wisdom as all of us do precisely because he was God who accepted the limitations of mortal men in order to bring our salvation to fruition. Did Jesus stub his toe? Did he get splinters or stones in his sandals? Did he hunger and thirst? I believe he did, despite the fact that he is God. The great scandal and joy of Christianity is that an absolute God so loved the world with all its beauty and putridness, that he became one of us - totally and completely. I can’t explain it or understand it. Jesus did not cling to his divinity, which is why we, as human persons, can proclaim it today. Yes, when you look upon Jesus you are seeing God . . . a God who so loved the world that he accepted the limitations of being a human being.
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Except, as the Church teaches, Jesus did not come with ALL the limitations of man. For one, the Church teaches that He was not born with the stain of Original Sin (catholicism.about.com/od/beliefsteachings/p/Who-Was-Born-Without-Original-Sin.htm).

Secondly, how many humans do you know that would not give in to the temptations of Satan? Almost 40 days without food, I doubt we would respond in the way Jesus did. How often do we “put God to the test” to prove His existence and His love for us? Certainly there are those who would pass on ruling all the kingdoms in this world, but I wouldn’t put them in the majority.

Lastly, as has already been pointed out, Jesus was omnipotent. He knew the thoughts of those around Him better than they did. He knew Peter would deny Him three times, He knew Judas would betray Him, He knew Pilate would hand Him over to be crucified even though Pilate could find no charge against Him.

He didn’t need to read tea leaves or look at the stars or gaze into crystal balls to know this. He knew because He is God, and with God one day is like 1,000 years.
 
CatholicHockey7 said:
Except, as the Church teaches, Jesus did not come with ALL the limitations of man. For one, the Church teaches that He was not born with the stain of Original Sin (catholicism.about.com/od/beliefsteachings/p/Who-Was-Born-Without-Original-Sin.htm).

Secondly, how many humans do you know that would not give in to the temptations of Satan? Almost 40 days without food, I doubt we would respond in the way Jesus did. How often do we “put God to the test” to prove His existence and His love for us? Certainly there are those who would pass on ruling all the kingdoms in this world, but I wouldn’t put them in the majority.

Lastly, as has already been pointed out, Jesus was omnipotent. He knew the thoughts of those around Him better than they did. He knew Peter would deny Him three times, He knew Judas would betray Him, He knew Pilate would hand Him over to be crucified even though Pilate could find no charge against Him.

He didn’t need to read tea leaves or look at the stars or gaze into crystal balls to know this. He knew because He is God, and with God one day is like 1,000 years.
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My understanding of what the Church teaches is that Jesus was fully human in all ways except in original sin. He was not omnipotent in the sense that he did not feel pain or have feelings which led him to weep. He had emotions and he acted upon them. He even felt fear and asked the Father to allow the cup of his death and suffering to pass him by. Jesus was able to fortell many things, including the eventual fall of Jerusalem, but does this make him clairvoyant or sensitive to the world around him? I would go with sensitivity. Jesus knew he would rise from the dead, but it was a knowledge based upon a deep, abiding faith in the Father and did not come from his own power. We know that we, too, shall rise from the dead, but how do we know that truth? We should know it in the same way Jesus knew it; through our faith in God’s love and the promise of his salvation through the Lord. It is not necessary to know the future to do great things or to be holy. It is only necessary to love fully and to be fully human in the way the Lord has taught us. Grace should be enough for us.
 
I think its also the fact that it doesn’t affect our lives at all. I mean, OK, Judas went to Hell. So what?

It’s not like he’s made out to be a great guy, he’s still remembered as a traitor. His eternal resting place is little concern to me.
 
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