Why don't Catholics have Open Communion?

[rainman10]

Agreed, back to topic!

I would say: We all believe in the same Lord - Jesus Christ - and everyone who believes in Him is invited to His table. (Actually similar than the Presbyterians teach. 'Though I don’t have the document handy right now. - I’ve read that somewhere, either in one of their Confessions, or in the Heidelberg Catechism).

Esdra

I don’t think it is just a matter if believing in the same Lord-Jesus Christ, you MUST, also, believe everything that he teaches us.

 

[rainman10]

No problem.

We are, yes.
Well, it just came into my mind, when reading your comparison between the Holy Eucharist and marriage…
Actually, I’ve never been aware of that, until I became a Baptist. There this is taken VERY siriously. ('Though people there certainly do other sins. I won’t deny that.)

Esdra

I am confused. So now you are a Baptist? You had previously stated you are Catholic.

 

[Esdra]

I am confused. So now you are a Baptist? You had previously stated you are Catholic.

I am a convert from Catholicism to a Baptist Church. But I haven’t resigned officially from the Roman Catholic Church.
So in fact “officially” I am a Catholic (according to the paper), but inofficially I am a Baptist (in my heart! )

Everything clear now?

Esdra

 

[GraceSofia]

In general you hear seldom something about confession in our parish (except the kids before recieving first communion…)

Esdra

PS: I guess it’s all quite watered down in Austria where I live.

Our pastor mentions confession fairly often. One time he was kind of funny the way he said that there were many of us receiving Holy Communion, but not so many receiving Reconciliation.

I am not in Austria, but I have gathered from reading and from what an Austrian friend has told me that Austria in recent history has been a seat of liberality and dissent (although I am sure there are good orthodox Catholics there, too).

 

[KathleenGee]

Esdra represents alot of Catholic Americans who continue to receive, but do not believe in the Eucharist.

In the meantime, there is now a beginning movement to Christianize our culture, and we are hearing both in the Holy Spirit and in some bishops, to return to atleast monthly reconciliation.

Renewal begins on our knees.

 

[Carlan]

People do not understand why we have daily Mass…thinking Christ is being crucified again…Daily Mass is offered as such because people all over the world sin. A just man sins 7 times a day.

When Christ said at the Last Supper, “Do this…”, He was giving the Apostles the directive to do ‘this Work’…in memory of Him of being Ministers to the Eucharist, the Epiclesus…of the Holy Spirit coming down on the Celebrant/priest/presbyter that the bread and wine are changed into the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ.

The Mass is a memorial, Be’Ka’a, of the ancient tradition of remembering, of celebrating.

Melchizedek prophesized one day would come of the only perfect sacrifice, the Daily Sacrifice of the Mass…the atonement for sin in the world…

I am continuing to read in piecemeal a book on the parts of the Mass written by Fr Jeremy Driscoll, brief but deep reading.

Good stuff from Gurney and Kathleen, that’s why I like them and so many others who contribute so well to the learning of the Truth on Catholic Answers, Happy and blessed New year to all.:clapping::dancing::extrahappy:: :getholy: Peace,Carlan

 

[Carlan]

Originally Posted by Esdra
No problem.

We are, yes.
Well, it just came into my mind, when reading your comparison between the Holy Eucharist and marriage…
Actually, I’ve never been aware of that, until I became a Baptist. There this is taken VERY siriously. ('Though people there certainly do other sins. I won’t deny that.)

Esdra

I love what PM says about the Eucharist being the Sacrament of the Bride and Groom(post315)
God in the beginning instituted marriage as a sacrament when He created Adam and Eve before the fall, the Sacrament of Marriage is always and forever more a sacred covenant.
Peace, Carlan

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

You’re FAR too kind, Carlan. Bless your heart.

Good stuff from Gurney and Kathleen, that’s why I like them and so many others who contribute so well to the learning of the Truth on Catholic Answers, Happy and blessed New year to all.:clapping::dancing::extrahappy:: :getholy: Peace,Carlan

 

[KathleenGee]

Carlan,

God bless you and thank you for all your contributions…Thanks, Guerny…I am able to understand Anglicanism better from your posts…

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

No problem. I have a lot of love and respect and joyful connections to Anglicanism. Honestly it’s the parish here in town that I miss GREATLY. I miss the priest, the people, the worship, and a lot of other things. The Catholic parish is pretty blahh. It’s a constant struggle to stay away!

Carlan,

God bless you and thank you for all your contributions…Thanks, Guerny…I am able to understand Anglicanism better from your posts…

 

[1beleevr]

You mean “the doctrine of the High Anglican Church that after the consecration of the Eucharist the substance of the body and blood of Christ coexists with the substance of the consecrated bread and wine”? (source)

What is the point of asking this?

Because it seems that some people believe you can only meet Christ in the eucharist(a narrow minded view), and nowhere else. Seems I remember that Jesus said," My father andI will come and live inside of you!" That’ s the beauty of a personal relationship with Christ!

 

[KathleenGee]

One of the works … of the economy of salvation…here we go, is that we have to ‘work’ at the liturgy. I have been blessed with faith in the Lord that He is truly present to me in HIs Divine Presence here on earth: The Eucharist.

However – I have been guilty of going to Mass where it becomes routine and I am not fully conscious of properly disposing myself in worshipping HIm. I have to fight my own tiredness, or distractions, or lack of fervor by praying to the Holy Spirit to properly prepare me to receive Him, and to always study what the Mass means.

 

[dzheremi]

Yeah, I’m sorry but I’m not falling for that “personal relationship with my buddy Jesus” talk. Peddle your pop-evangelicalisms somewhere else. There is no more personal a relationship you can have with Christ than to drink His blood and eat His flesh in the Eucharist. This does not mean that this is the only aspect of the relationship apostolic Christians have with Christ that is of any value, but it is to say that if you do not have it because you can’t understand it, or you can’t bring yourself to believe it, or for any other reason, it is you who is missing out and your own poverty does not grant you any sort of right to deride those who do.

 

[PRmerger]

That’ s the beauty of a personal relationship with Christ!

There *is *no greater personal relationship, 1beleevr, than being able to have a ONE FLESH UNION with your Beloved.

 

[PRmerger]

it is you who is missing out and your own poverty does not grant you any sort of right to deride those who do.

Indeed. It’s like a married couple saying “We’re just comfortable talking on the phone. We don’t need that over-rated marital embrace to be close!”

Certainly it could be said that their relationship is a good one, Oh, but what they are missing!

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Love your screen name, man. 97 X baaaaam the future of rock n’ roll!

Yes, ALL Catholics are sinners in some way or another, even the Pope. So what is your point? Are you saying that protestants don’t have premarital sex?

 

[1beleevr]

But it didn’t eliminate him from being an apostle, eh? He was wrong; he was a sinner. Yet he remained one who was given the authority to preach the gospel, baptize, forgive sins, bind and loose?

And, if he could be an apostle and yet be a sinner, it seems that he could also be the “papa” of the apostles and be a sinner, yes?

Well, of course not; does one sin disqualify you from being saved? From being a believer? Someone said the pope was at the Last Supper and I said, the pope had not been assigned yet; and if he had, would he deny his King that quickly?

 

[1beleevr]

There *is *no greater personal relationship, 1beleevr, than being able to have a ONE FLESH UNION with your Beloved.

You have no idea of the intensity of my relationship with Christ; W-O-W! And in spite of your insistence, I do not believe it could get better if I became a catholic! Jesus really manifested Himself in my life, during my wife’s recent experience with cancer. The peace we both had during this ordeal, is beyond all understanding! The good news is, the cance was removed, and there was no cancer in her lymph nodes! Thank You Jesus Your indwelling in me, and being with me everyday, not just on Sunday!

 

[1beleevr]

And yet another ridiculous question! I said, how could the supposed pope deny his Master so quickly after purportedly being named the first"pope"? I know that Christ told Peter that he would deny Him 3 times! Peter just didn’t believe Him! He wasn’t a pope yet anyway!

 

[1beleevr]

Yeah, I’m sorry but I’m not falling for that “personal relationship with my buddy Jesus” talk. Peddle your pop-evangelicalisms somewhere else. There is no more personal a relationship you can have with Christ than to drink His blood and eat His flesh in the Eucharist. This does not mean that this is the only aspect of the relationship apostolic Christians have with Christ that is of any value, but it is to say that if you do not have it because you can’t understand it, or you can’t bring yourself to believe it, or for any other reason, it is you who is missing out and your own poverty does not grant you any sort of right to deride those who do.

Just as I’m not falling for the best personal relationship with Christ is through the eucharist! And how can you arrogantly presume to know what is in another Christian’s heart, just because he/she is not a catholic? Before the Last Supper, and His crucifixion, do you not believe that His disciples enjoyed a close PERSONAL relationship with Jesus? What about the disciple whom Christ loved, who was lying on His breast at the Last Supper! Wake up and smell the coffee; Jesus said," I no longer call you servants(or slaves), I call you friends!