Why don't Catholics have Open Communion?

[LDNCatholic]

There was no transsubstantiation in Jesus’s day; this is made up term, practiced by a few denominations!

There was no symbolic communion in Jesus’ day, this is a made up term, practiced by a few denominations.

There was no slaying in the spirit in Jesus’ day, this is a made up term, practiced by a few denominations.

There was no once saved always saved in Jesus’ day, this is a made up term, practiced by a few denominations.

There were no altar calls in Jesus’ day, this is a made up term, practiced by a few denominations.

There was no sola scriptura in Jesus’ day, this is a made up term, practiced by a few denominations.

There was no salvation by faith alone in Jesus’ day, this is a made up term, practiced by a few denominations.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

True. My experience is that many Protestants do not understand the proper context of “anamnesis” when Jesus says “Do this in memory of me.” They tend to look at the word “memory” (anamnesis) as a type of commemoration-only, a reflective looking-back instead of an active, living participation in a powerful sacrifice. They are anachronistic in their approach to the Eucharist. Zwingli and company started that poor approach that has affected so much of Protestantism. The “Real Absence” it is commonly called.

There was no symbolic communion in Jesus’ day, this is a made up term, practiced by a few denominations.

There was no slaying in the spirit in Jesus’ day, this is a made up term, practiced by a few denominations.

There was no once saved always saved in Jesus’ day, this is a made up term, practiced by a few denominations.

There were no altar calls in Jesus’ day, this is a made up term, practiced by a few denominations.

There was no sola scriptura in Jesus’ day, this is a made up term, practiced by a few denominations.

There was no salvation by faith alone in Jesus’ day, this is a made up term, practiced by a few denominations.

 

[KathleenGee]

Pretty substantial statement, Guerny…Anamnesis…

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

No doubt. From a Catholic Answers article that I always thought was fairly poignant…

Although this was when Christ constituted the apostles as priests, this is not obvious from the common English translation of his words as “Do this in remembrance of me” (Greek, “Touto poieite eis ton emen anamnesin”). The meaning of two key words–poieite and anamnesin–are not adequately brought out by this translation.

Poiein has sacrificial overtones. In the Septuagint (LXX), the Greek version of the Old Testament, there are about seventy sacrificial uses of poiein. One example: “Now this is what you shall offer (poieseis) upon the altar: two lambs a year old, day by day, continually” (Ex. 29:38).

Anamnesis also has sacrificial overtones. It occurs only eight times in the New Testament and the Greek Old Testament. All but once (Wis. 16:6) it is in a sacrificial context: “There is in these sacrifices a reminder [anamnesis] of sin year after year” (Heb. 10:3). “And you shall put pure frankincense with each row, that it may go with the bread as a memorial portion [anamnesin] to be offered by fire to the Lord” (Lev. 24:7). “On the day of your gladness . . . you shall blow over your burnt offerings and over the sacrifices of your peace offerings; they shall serve you for remembrance [anamnesis] before your God” (Num. 10:10). Psalm 38 (39) is titled, “A Psalm of David, for the memorial offering [anamnesin].” Psalm 70 (71) its titled, “To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David, for the memorial offering [anamnesin].” In these cases the term anamnesis can be translated as “memorial portion,” “memorial offering,” or "memorial sacrifice."

Pretty substantial statement, Guerny…Anamnesis…

 

[KathleenGee]

People do not understand why we have daily Mass…thinking Christ is being crucified again…Daily Mass is offered as such because people all over the world sin. A just man sins 7 times a day.

When Christ said at the Last Supper, “Do this…”, He was giving the Apostles the directive to do ‘this Work’…in memory of Him of being Ministers to the Eucharist, the Epiclesus…of the Holy Spirit coming down on the Celebrant/priest/presbyter that the bread and wine are changed into the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ.

The Mass is a memorial, Be’Ka’a, of the ancient tradition of remembering, of celebrating.

Melchizedek prophesized one day would come of the only perfect sacrifice, the Daily Sacrifice of the Mass…the atonement for sin in the world…

I am continuing to read in piecemeal a book on the parts of the Mass written by Fr Jeremy Driscoll, brief but deep reading.

 

[Annabelle_Marie]

People do not understand why we have daily Mass…thinking Christ is being crucified again…Daily Mass is offered as such because people all over the world sin. A just man sins 7 times a day.

When Christ said at the Last Supper, “Do this…”, He was giving the Apostles the directive to do ‘this Work’…in memory of Him of being Ministers to the Eucharist, the Epiclesus…of the Holy Spirit coming down on the Celebrant/priest/presbyter that the bread and wine are changed into the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ.

The Mass is a memorial, Be’Ka’a, of the ancient tradition of remembering, of celebrating.

Melchizedek prophesized one day would come of the only perfect sacrifice, the Daily Sacrifice of the Mass…the atonement for sin in the world…

**I am continuing to read in piecemeal a book on the parts of the Mass written by Fr Jeremy Driscoll, brief but deep reading./**QUOTE]

I LOVE that book!

 

[1beleevr]

Who happen to be the oldest ones - the Apostles didn’t have the word “Transubstantiation” but they described it perfectly.

It’s only the latter day human inventions who have done away with the Real Presence of Jesus Christ, and made Him into a spiritual feeling instead of a present Reality.

Kind of like creating a word like transsubstantiation(man, that’s long word)! Is there such a word as consubstantiation?

 

[1beleevr]

Let’s just ask a different question: how could an apostle deny knowing his Master?

Are you saying that Peter wasn’t an apostle because he did this?

Easy, Christ predicted it. He wasn’t the poe back then, as some have suggested!

 

[dzheremi]

Kind of like creating a word like transsubstantiation(man, that’s long word)! Is there such a word as consubstantiation?

You mean “the doctrine of the High Anglican Church that after the consecration of the Eucharist the substance of the body and blood of Christ coexists with the substance of the consecrated bread and wine”? (source)

What is the point of asking this?

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

That is NOT the doctrine of the High Anglican Church and to my knowledge never has been. Anglicans of all stripes who believe in the Real Presence prefer to have no explanation as to the means and mode of the presence. They merely accept it as being the Body and Blood of Christ. Evangelical Anglicans on the more Calvinist spectrum of the Church tend to believe in a pneumatic presence to just mere symbolism. Anglo-Catholics are more apt to believe in full-on transubstantiation before they buy into consubstantiation. This term is usually linked, I’m told by Lutherans incorrectly, to Martin Luther’s theory and I haven’t yet heard it related to Anglicanism. In all my years as an Anglican, I haven’t heard that term ever unless talking about Lutherans.

You mean “the doctrine of the High Anglican Church that after the consecration of the Eucharist the substance of the body and blood of Christ coexists with the substance of the consecrated bread and wine”? (source)

What is the point of asking this?

 

[dzheremi]

Alright. Thanks for the correction. I’m not here to spread bad information, that’s just the first link that came up when I looked for a definition of this term on Google. A pinch of salt, as always, goes well with internet sources.

 

[GraceSofia]

The Didache also talks about sojourning Christians. Visitors are to be made to feel welcome BUT should be tested, it says, to make sure they are what they say they are, properly disposed to the truth of Christ’s teachings, before taking communion.

This was quite a few pages back but I thought it was very interesting.
I wonder if any Catholic parishes do this today? I think it is left up to the discernment/honesty of the visitors. Anyway, thanks for posting this.

 

[dzheremi]

This was quite a few pages back but I thought it was very interesting.
I wonder if any Catholic parishes do this today? I think it is left up to the discernment/honesty of the visitors. Anyway, thanks for posting this.

At every midnight Christmas Eve Mass and Easter Mass I ever attended, it was made very clear to the visitors that they were not to take communion if they had not first been to confession. I am not sure how widespread this announcement is for these particular masses, but I would guess that since they are the ones with the largest number of visitors (“Christmas and Easter Catholics”) you’d be more likely to hear it then than at any other time in the liturgical year. Good, but kinda sad in that I don’t remember it being a feature of weekly Sunday Mass attendance in any parish I attended. I would think this would be a priority throughout the year given the immense respect and reverence shown to the Sacrament itself (being Christ in the flesh, after all! )

 

[GraceSofia]

At every midnight Christmas Eve Mass and Easter Mass I ever attended, it was made very clear to the visitors that they were not to take communion if they had not first been to confession. I am not sure how widespread this announcement is for these particular masses, but I would guess that since they are the ones with the largest number of visitors (“Christmas and Easter Catholics”) you’d be more likely to hear it then than at any other time in the liturgical year. Good, but kinda sad in that I don’t remember it being a feature of weekly Sunday Mass attendance in any parish I attended. I would think this would be a priority throughout the year given the immense respect and reverence shown to the Sacrament itself (being Christ in the flesh, after all! )

Yes, I also read a thread here once about putting a notice about it for weddings-- when lots of family and friends attending may not be Catholic.

It sounded like from the brief quote about the Didache that newcomers/visitors were sort of quizzed about their beliefs. Maybe the Christians were also worried about being infiltrated by the emperor’s spies and informers because back then there were terrbile persections.

 

[mountaintop]

But where would the separated brethren fit into all this? Aren’t they considered part of the church?

theres a lot of life boats out their but only one ship. don’t fall off the ship theirs sharks in the waternpatrol:

 

[mountaintop]

Newsflash: When we are with Christ, we are home!

then you know Christ is truly present in the Eucharist.::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

 

[Esdra]

At every midnight Christmas Eve Mass and Easter Mass I ever attended, it was made very clear to the visitors that they were not to take communion if they had not first been to confession. I am not sure how widespread this announcement is for these particular masses, but I would guess that since they are the ones with the largest number of visitors (“Christmas and Easter Catholics”) you’d be more likely to hear it then than at any other time in the liturgical year. Good, but kinda sad in that I don’t remember it being a feature of weekly Sunday Mass attendance in any parish I attended. I would think this would be a priority throughout the year given the immense respect and reverence shown to the Sacrament itself (being Christ in the flesh, after all! )

I have always been going with my family to Easter mass, as well as to mass at Christmas Eve, and I have never heard of that.
In general you hear seldom something about confession in our parish (except the kids before recieving first communion…)

Esdra

PS: I guess it’s all quite watered down in Austria where I live.

 

[rainman10]

Esdra: Your opinion or my opinion or anyone’s opinion does not matter. The designation of “apostolic” (when talking about churches or church communions) is not a matter of personal opinion, but of historical fact. The historical facts regarding the various church communions are as they have been presented to you, and all the churches concerned agree on that (the EO, for instance, may say that the Roman Catholic Church has deviated from apostolic teaching, but they do not deny that it is an apostolic church, because its roots are indeed firmly planted in the apostolic era as a matter of historical record).

If one is a protestant,then opinion does matter, because in my own opinion, protestantism is based on personal opinion. Just look back at this entire thread, all the arguments against “closed communion” are all opinions. The interpretation of the Bible is all based on opinion. They all want the Catholic Church, that was started by Jesus Christ himself, to change its doctrine, because in their opinion, Jesus Christ got it wrong and it is their opinion is what counts, not what Jesus Christ said.

I am sorry, but it is a take it or leave it situation. You don’t like Jesus Christ’s teachings, don’t join the Catholic Church. Simple. Stay with the church that goes along with your opinions and changes with the times. If you can’t find one, again, simple, just start one of your own and show Jesus Christ how it should have been done.

 

[PRmerger]

Easy, Christ predicted it. He wasn’t the poe back then, as some have suggested!

But it didn’t eliminate him from being an apostle, eh? He was wrong; he was a sinner. Yet he remained one who was given the authority to preach the gospel, baptize, forgive sins, bind and loose?

And, if he could be an apostle and yet be a sinner, it seems that he could also be the “papa” of the apostles and be a sinner, yes?

 

[rainman10]

Just one thought: Actually, sadly enough, this happens a thousand times - pre-marital sex.

You know, I am living in a Catholic dominated country, and there are VERY few who don’t have sex before marriage. - But nearly all are baptised, and confirmed Catholics…

Esdra

Yes, ALL Catholics are sinners in some way or another, even the Pope. So what is your point? Are you saying that protestants don’t have premarital sex?