Why don't Christians celebrate the Feast of Unleavened Bread?

[GiftedChildren]

Or celebrate the Sabbath on the Sabbath?? Everybody knows that the Sabbath is Saturday, right? So why on Sunday?

Anyway… The Feast of Unleavened Bread is in Leviticus 23. It’s celebrated up there with the Passover.

At what point does the Church get to say what Feasts are or are not celebrated in the Old Testament or the New? My buddy from work brings this all up and uses the quote that “Jesus didn’t come to abolish the law, He came to fulfill it.” From Matthew 5:17.

I think this guy has some type of Jewish leaning, but he was definitely not born Jewish. He does refer to Jesus as the Messiah, but he does not believe He is the Son of God, at least not anymore than you or me. I definitely believe that we are all Children of God, which I know that Jesus says in numerous ways… even in the First two words of the Our Father!

Did Jesus really believe that he was going to be ending the Feast of Unleavened Bread? I mean… from a health standpoint, it makes great sense to rid the body of yeast for a week. Kinda makes me sad that I hadn’t heard about this Feast sooner.

So don’t forget, a 2-parter – Sabbath and Feast of Unleavened Bread? Why is it acceptable to ignore “The Law”? I mean… if ever there were two laws I wouldn’t want to ignore, these might be them.

 

[James248]

Or celebrate the Sabbath on the Sabbath?? Everybody knows that the Sabbath is Saturday, right? So why on Sunday?

Anyway… The Feast of Unleavened Bread is in Leviticus 23. It’s celebrated up there with the Passover.

At what point does the Church get to say what Feasts are or are not celebrated in the Old Testament or the New? My buddy from work brings this all up and uses the quote that “Jesus didn’t come to abolish the law, He came to fulfill it.” From Matthew 5:17.

I think this guy has some type of Jewish leaning, but he was definitely not born Jewish. He does refer to Jesus as the Messiah, but he does not believe He is the Son of God, at least not anymore than you or me. I definitely believe that we are all Children of God, which I know that Jesus says in numerous ways… even in the First two words of the Our Father!

Did Jesus really believe that he was going to be ending the Feast of Unleavened Bread? I mean… from a health standpoint, it makes great sense to rid the body of yeast for a week. Kinda makes me sad that I hadn’t heard about this Feast sooner.

So don’t forget, a 2-parter – Sabbath and Feast of Unleavened Bread? Why is it acceptable to ignore “The Law”? I mean… if ever there were two laws I wouldn’t want to ignore, these might be them.

He instituted a new rite at the Last Supper.
Luke 22:14-20
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When the hour came, he took his place at table with the apostles.
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He said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover* with you before I suffer,
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for, I tell you, I shall not eat it [again] until there is fulfillment in the kingdom of God.”i
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Then he took a cup,* gave thanks, and said, “Take this and share it among yourselves;
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for I tell you [that] from this time on I shall not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”
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• j Then he took the bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which will be given for you; do this in memory of me.”
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  And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which will be shed for you.**

 

[LilyM]

Jesus firstly said He was Lord of the Sabbath, and secondly said “the Sabbath is made for man and not man for the Sabbath.” What do you think He meant by these statements, if not that the laws, including the laws about the Sabbath and the Feast of Unleavened Bread, might be “fulfilled” by making changes to them?

What is Easter except (in part) a fulfilling of the old laws about celebrating Passover (aka the Feast of Unleavened Bread)? We consider Jesus Himself to be the New Testament equivalent of the sacrificial lamb, and the Holy Thursday Eucharist to be the New Testament equivalent of the Seder (as changed by Christ while in the very act of celebrating it, no less).

There is no ignoring of the Law here. Merely a change.

 

[thephilosopher6]

Or celebrate the Sabbath on the Sabbath?? Everybody knows that the Sabbath is Saturday, right? So why on Sunday?

The Sabbath is still on Saturday, Sunday is not the Sabbath. Sunday is the Lords Day. They are different. The Church never changed the Sabbath. The Sabbath is apart of the old law, specifically the ceremonial law. We are under the new covenant and thus the old law has been fulfilled by Christ so we don’t have to follow its precepts.

 

[James248]

The Sabbath is still on Saturday, Sunday is not the Sabbath. Sunday is the Lords Day. They are different. The Church never changed the Sabbath. The Sabbath is apart of the old law, specifically the ceremonial law. We are under the new covenant and thus the old law has been fulfilled by Christ so we don’t have to follow its precepts.

Let me clarify.

We don’t have to follow the legal and ceremonial tenets of the law of Moses. We still must follow the moral tenets though.

 

[thephilosopher6]

Let me clarify.

We don’t have to follow the legal and ceremonial tenets of the law of Moses. We still must follow the moral tenets though.

Yes, I understand that.

 

[meltzerboy]

Let me clarify.

We don’t have to follow the legal and ceremonial tenets of the law of Moses. We still must follow the moral tenets though.

And as one of the Ten Commandments, do you believe observance of the Sabbath day is a ceremonial tenet rather than a moral tenet, apart from the other nine moral commandments, each of which is elaborated upon and summed up in the Torah, specifically Deuteronomy?

 

[rcwitness]

Or celebrate the Sabbath on the Sabbath?? Everybody knows that the Sabbath is Saturday, right? So why on Sunday?

The Resurrection superceded the Sabath.

At what point does the Church get to say what Feasts are or are not celebrated in the Old Testament or the New? My buddy from work brings this all up and uses the quote that “Jesus didn’t come to abolish the law, He came to fulfill it.”

Depends what Church you observe. The Catholic Church follows the Bishop of Rome and the collective College of Bishop’s official judgment on all matters of faith and morals. Scripture is not explicit about the Lord’s Day superceding the Sabath. But the gathering for the Lord’s Supper was celebrated on the first day of the week. Acts 20 references this.

I think this guy has some type of Jewish leaning, but he was definitely not born Jewish. He does refer to Jesus as the Messiah, but he does not believe He is the Son of God, at least not anymore than you or me. I definitely believe that we are all Children of God, which I know that Jesus says in numerous ways… even in the First two words of the Our Father!

I hope you believe He is the Son of God!

Did Jesus really believe that he was going to be ending the Feast of Unleavened Bread?

We don’t leaven His Eucharist with yeast.

So don’t forget, a 2-parter – Sabbath and Feast of Unleavened Bread? Why is it acceptable to ignore “The Law”? I mean… if ever there were two laws I wouldn’t want to ignore, these might be them.

I think your friend is correct to use that Scripture. Jesus did fulfill the Law. So we celebrate Him who became both the Law and it’s Sacrifice for our life, hope and reconciliation.

 

[James248]

And as one of the Ten Commandments, do you believe observance of the Sabbath day is a ceremonial tenet rather than a moral tenet, apart from the other nine moral commandments, each of which is elaborated upon and summed up in the Torah, specifically Deuteronomy?

We instead hold this obligation on Sunday, because that is when Jesus rose from the dead.

 

[Fiasco]

The Church is under “…the New and Everlasting Covenant…” which replaced the Mosaic one.

 

[psalm90]

Read the letter to the Ephesians (6 chapters) carefully.

 

[thephilosopher6]

And as one of the Ten Commandments, do you believe observance of the Sabbath day is a ceremonial tenet rather than a moral tenet, apart from the other nine moral commandments, each of which is elaborated upon and summed up in the Torah, specifically Deuteronomy?

As said, we hold this obligation on Sunday now in the new law. The Catechism of the Catholic Church list the third commandment as:

“Remember to keep holy the Lord’s Day.” -

 

[patrick457]

Or celebrate the Sabbath on the Sabbath?? Everybody knows that the Sabbath is Saturday, right? So why on Sunday?

Anyway… The Feast of Unleavened Bread is in Leviticus 23. It’s celebrated up there with the Passover.

At what point does the Church get to say what Feasts are or are not celebrated in the Old Testament or the New? My buddy from work brings this all up and uses the quote that “Jesus didn’t come to abolish the law, He came to fulfill it.” From Matthew 5:17.

I think this guy has some type of Jewish leaning, but he was definitely not born Jewish. He does refer to Jesus as the Messiah, but he does not believe He is the Son of God, at least not anymore than you or me. I definitely believe that we are all Children of God, which I know that Jesus says in numerous ways… even in the First two words of the Our Father!

Did Jesus really believe that he was going to be ending the Feast of Unleavened Bread? I mean… from a health standpoint, it makes great sense to rid the body of yeast for a week. Kinda makes me sad that I hadn’t heard about this Feast sooner.

So don’t forget, a 2-parter – Sabbath and Feast of Unleavened Bread? Why is it acceptable to ignore “The Law”? I mean… if ever there were two laws I wouldn’t want to ignore, these might be them.

Simple reason: most of us are not Jews.

Look at St. Paul. Paul was opposed to fellow Jews imposing Torah to non-Jews who became Christians. The reason for this was, because it implied Jesus wasn’t enough. With the coming of Jesus, observance of the Torah is no longer the sufficient basis of a relationship with God - belief and trust in Jesus Christ is. “But now, apart from law, the righteousness of God has been disclosed, and is attested by the law and the prophets, the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe.”

Paul had no problem with Jewish Christians who continued to follow Jewish Law, although now post-Jesus it is simply a marker of Jewish identity rather than a means of having a proper relationship with God as it was back then; now, “neither circumcision nor uncircumcision is anything.”

Paul had a problem with Jewish Christians who tried to force Torah observance on gentile Christians, because Paul seemed to have believed that the biblical prophecies which say that the nations would come to the God of Israel meant that these non-Jewish nations would come to God as they are: as “nations” (gentiles), not proselytes to Judaism. To require a Torah-conversion of them would be to work against what he thought was the fulfillment of God’s will. Plus, as mentioned, requiring that newly-baptized Christians become Jews by imposing the Torah upon them actually makes belief in Jesus - which is now the basis for a full relationship with God - look insufficient.

 

[Autumn_Smoke]

Or celebrate the Sabbath on the Sabbath?? Everybody knows that the Sabbath is Saturday, right? So why on Sunday?

Anyway… The Feast of Unleavened Bread is in Leviticus 23. It’s celebrated up there with the Passover.

At what point does the Church get to say what Feasts are or are not celebrated in the Old Testament or the New? My buddy from work brings this all up and uses the quote that “Jesus didn’t come to abolish the law, He came to fulfill it.” From Matthew 5:17.

I think this guy has some type of Jewish leaning, but he was definitely not born Jewish. He does refer to Jesus as the Messiah, but he does not believe He is the Son of God, at least not anymore than you or me. I definitely believe that we are all Children of God, which I know that Jesus says in numerous ways… even in the First two words of the Our Father!

Did Jesus really believe that he was going to be ending the Feast of Unleavened Bread? I mean… from a health standpoint, it makes great sense to rid the body of yeast for a week. Kinda makes me sad that I hadn’t heard about this Feast sooner.

So don’t forget, a 2-parter – Sabbath and Feast of Unleavened Bread? Why is it acceptable to ignore “The Law”? I mean… if ever there were two laws I wouldn’t want to ignore, these might be them.

The Feast of Unleavened Bread is a memorial feast of how quickly God redeemed the Jewish people from the hand of the Egyptians–they didn’t even have time for their bread to rise before God led them out of Egypt. It is not really applicable to Gentiles.

IMHO, Jesus didn’t really end the feast–the Jewish people are commanded to celebrate ever year, and so they faithfully do today.

As far as keeping the feast for ‘‘health reasons,’’ God didn’t give the Kosher Laws, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, etc., for health reasons, but so that the people might consecrate every aspect of their lives to God. Remember that Jesus himself said, ‘‘The flesh is of no account.’’ (John 6:63)

 

[meltzerboy]

Simple reason: most of us are not Jews.

Look at St. Paul. Paul was opposed to fellow Jews imposing Torah to non-Jews who became Christians. The reason for this was, because it implied Jesus wasn’t enough. With the coming of Jesus, observance of the Torah is no longer the sufficient basis of a relationship with God - belief and trust in Jesus Christ is. “But now, apart from law, the righteousness of God has been disclosed, and is attested by the law and the prophets, the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe.”

Paul had no problem with Jewish Christians who continued to follow Jewish Law, although now post-Jesus it is simply a marker of Jewish identity rather than a means of having a proper relationship with God as it was back then; now, “neither circumcision nor uncircumcision is anything.”

Paul had a problem with Jewish Christians who tried to force Torah observance on gentile Christians, because Paul seemed to have believed that the biblical prophecies which say that the nations would come to the God of Israel meant that these non-Jewish nations would come to God as they are: as “nations” (gentiles), not proselytes to Judaism. To require a Torah-conversion of them would be to work against what he thought was the fulfillment of God’s will. Plus, as mentioned, requiring that newly-baptized Christians become Jews by imposing the Torah upon them actually makes belief in Jesus - which is now the basis for a full relationship with God - look insufficient.

Judaism today believes most of what Paul said. That is, no conversion to Judaism is necessary (at the time of the Messiah) although the nations (gentiles) will realize, finally, Who G-d is. And, in the meantime, the Torah is not to be imposed upon Christians, who are not obligated toward following its commandments except for the Seven Laws of Noah.

BTW, is it not the case that Peter had a quite different idea from Paul regarding conversion of the gentiles and other matters, and that Petrine Christianity is significantly different from Pauline Christianity?

 

[James248]

Judaism today believes most of what Paul said. That is, no conversion to Judaism is necessary (at the time of the Messiah) although the nations (gentiles) will realize, finally, Who G-d is. And, in the meantime, the Torah is not to be imposed upon Christians, who are not obligated toward following its commandments except for the Seven Laws of Noah.

BTW, is it not the case that Peter had a quite different idea from Paul regarding conversion of the gentiles and other matters, and that Petrine Christianity is significantly different from Pauline Christianity?

No.

Acts 15

6 The apostles and the elders were gathered together to consider this matter. 7 And after there had been much debate, Peter rose and said to them, “Brethren,** you know that in the early days God made choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 And God who knows the heart bore witness to them, giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us; 9 and he made no distinction between us and them, but cleansed their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore why do you make trial of God by putting a yoke upon the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? 11 But we believe that we shall be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.**”

 

[steve_b]

Or celebrate the Sabbath on the Sabbath?? Everybody knows that the Sabbath is Saturday, right? So why on Sunday?

Anyway… The Feast of Unleavened Bread is in Leviticus 23. It’s celebrated up there with the Passover.

At what point does the Church get to say what Feasts are or are not celebrated in the Old Testament or the New? My buddy from work brings this all up and uses the quote that “Jesus didn’t come to abolish the law, He came to fulfill it.” From Matthew 5:17.

I think this guy has some type of Jewish leaning, but he was definitely not born Jewish. He does refer to Jesus as the Messiah, but he does not believe He is the Son of God, at least not anymore than you or me. I definitely believe that we are all Children of God, which I know that Jesus says in numerous ways… even in the First two words of the Our Father!

Did Jesus really believe that he was going to be ending the Feast of Unleavened Bread? I mean… from a health standpoint, it makes great sense to rid the body of yeast for a week. Kinda makes me sad that I hadn’t heard about this Feast sooner.

So don’t forget, a 2-parter – Sabbath and Feast of Unleavened Bread? Why is it acceptable to ignore “The Law”? I mean… if ever there were two laws I wouldn’t want to ignore, these might be them.

In post #15 on another thread, I gave you a link that doesn’t work.

Here it is again, the one I tried to give, it’s a 24 min video that will answer your question. It’s well worth your time.
youtube.com/watch?v=0uL_IAJWvX0

 

[Cathoholic]

GiftedChildren.

Welcome to Catholic Answers Forums. Thanks for coming over here.

You asked . . .

Why don’t Christians celebrate the Feast of Unleavened Bread??
Or celebrate the Sabbath on the Sabbath?? Everybody knows that the Sabbath is Saturday, right? So why on Sunday? . . . So don’t forget, a 2-parter – Sabbath and Feast of Unleavened Bread? Why is it acceptable to ignore “The Law”?

We DO celebrate the Feast.

Christ our Passover Lamb has been sacrificed therefore we can now “celebrate the Feast” in the fulfilled manner.

Likewise with the OLD creation there has been a fulfillment (and is being fulfilled) in the NEW creation.

And we NEEDED a NEW creation.

All Creation was fallen due to the envy of the devil and the sin of Adam (and Eve).

We need a “new Heavens and a new earth”.

Behold, Jesus makes ALL things new.

Catholics don’t “ignore” the law.

Jesus did not do away with the law but fulfilled it (and continues to fulfill it).

This is WHY when we are in Heaven, we will ALSO partake of the FULFILLED Wedding Feast of The Lamb there too and WHY the Apostles partook of the Body and Blood of Jesus on “The Lord’s Day” in Sacred Scripture.

God bless.

Cathoholic

 

[James248]

This is WHY when we are in Heaven, we will ALSO partake of the FULFILLED Wedding Feast of The Lamb there too and WHY the Apostles partook of the Body and Blood of Jesus on “The Lord’s Day” in Sacred Scripture.

God bless.

Cathoholic

Why do you say this? There is no Mass in Heaven.

 

[steve_b]

Why do you say this? There is no Mass in Heaven.

(ALL emphasis mine)
II. The Liturgy in Heaven

A. Caught Up in the Spirit

The biblical story – told to us in the Scripture readings for the Mass and summarized in the Creed – reaches its “goal” in the Mass.
All the history recorded in Scripture, all that it reveals about the “one God” and His only Son, was intended to lead us to the moment of communion with God, through “the breaking of the bread” (see Luke 24:35).
In the Liturgy of the Eucharist, we see the culmination of biblical history right in front of us on the altar.
We “lift up our hearts” to heaven and are, in a real sense, “caught up in spirit” and taken into a liturgy that’s always going on in heaven (see Revelation 4:2).
That’s what was revealed to the Apostle John in the Bible’s last book. In fact, it’s the Mass that makes sense of the puzzling, and often frightening visions and symbols of Revelation.
What’s revealed to John is that the Mass we celebrate on earth is a participation in the liturgy of heaven.
John’s vision begins on “the Lord’s day,” Sunday (see Revelation 1:10) - the name the first Christians gave to the first day of the week, upon which they celebrated “the breaking of the bread” (see Acts 20:7).
*John is “caught up in spirit on the Lord’s Day.” In other words, possibly while celebrating the Eucharist himself, John is taken to heaven.
And John sees the same things we see when we come to Mass.
He sees an altar (see Revelation 8:3); candles (1:12); incense (5:8); priests dressed in robes (4:4). And he sees bread or manna (2:17), and bowls or chalices of blood (seeRevelation 16).
He sees heavenly worshippers – angels and saints – crying, “Holy, Holy, Holy” (4:8), singing a hymn to the glory of God, the heavenly king (15:3-4) and shouting “alleluia” (19:1,3,6) and making the sign of the cross on their foreheads (14:1).
There are readings from Scripture (Revelation 2-3), and, finally, the “wedding feast of the Lamb”(19:9).

From:*

stpaulcenter.com/studies/lesson/lesson-five-heaven-on-earth-the-liturgy-of-the-eucharist