Why don't Christians celebrate the Feast of Unleavened Bread?

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II. The Liturgy in Heaven

A. Caught Up in the Spirit

The biblical story – told to us in the Scripture readings for the Mass and summarized in the Creed – reaches its “goal” in the Mass.
All the history recorded in Scripture, all that it reveals about the “one God” and His only Son, was intended to lead us to the moment of communion with God, through “the breaking of the bread” (see Luke 24:35).
In the Liturgy of the Eucharist, we see the culmination of biblical history right in front of us on the altar.
We “lift up our hearts” to heaven and are, in a real sense, “caught up in spirit” and taken into a liturgy that’s always going on in heaven (see Revelation 4:2).
That’s what was revealed to the Apostle John in the Bible’s last book. In fact, it’s the Mass that makes sense of the puzzling, and often frightening visions and symbols of Revelation.
What’s revealed to John is that the Mass we celebrate on earth is a participation in the liturgy of heaven.
John’s vision begins on “the Lord’s day,” Sunday (see Revelation 1:10) - the name the first Christians gave to the first day of the week, upon which they celebrated “the breaking of the bread” (see Acts 20:7).
John is “caught up in spirit on the Lord’s Day.” In other words, possibly while celebrating the Eucharist himself, John is taken to heaven.
And John sees the same things we see when we come to Mass.
He sees an altar (see Revelation 8:3); candles (1:12); incense (5:8); priests dressed in robes (4:4). And he sees bread or manna (2:17), and bowls or chalices of blood (seeRevelation 16).
He sees heavenly worshippers – angels and saints – crying, “Holy, Holy, Holy” (4:8), singing a hymn to the glory of God, the heavenly king (15:3-4) and shouting “alleluia” (19:1,3,6) and making the sign of the cross on their foreheads (14:1).
There are readings from Scripture (Revelation 2-3), and, finally, the “wedding feast of the Lamb”(19:9).

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Not according to this:

lthough many contemporary theologians like to speak as though there is “Mass” in heaven – and they are quite fond of pointing to the Revelation of St. John as the biblical foundation for their novelties – we must reject this notion as foreign to both Scripture and Tradition.
The book of Revelation does not say that there is “Mass” in heaven. In fact, St. John specifies that there is no longer any sacrifice being offered in heaven – therefore, there can be no Mass!
In the fifth chapter, St. John presents the “Lamb who had been slain”, which is Christ. This is the closest to sacrifice the book comes, but even here it is clear that the Lamb is not being offered – rather, the Lamb has already been consummated and now comes to bring final consummation and judgment upon the earth!
And I saw: and behold … a Lamb standing as it were slain, having seven horns and seven eyes … and he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat on the throne. And when he had opened the book … And they sung a new canticle, saying: Thou art worthy, O Lord, to take the book, and to open the seals thereof; because thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God, in thy blood … I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne … saying with a loud voice: The Lamb that was slain is worthy to receive power, and divinity, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and benediction. (Revelation 5:6,7,8,9,11,12)
The Lamb once slain is not a priest offering sacrifice, but is priest consummated. Indeed, it is clear that he is not being offered, for the heavenly host says thou wast slain in the past tense. Indeed, the Lamb which once was slain and has redeemed his people, now (in heaven and at the end of time) gives eternal glory to his saints and receives their praises.
There is no Mass in heaven, because there is no re-presentation of the Sacrifice of the Cross. While there is surely “Liturgy” (insofar as the saints and angels praise God forever), there is no sacrifice – but Christ reigns as priest consummated and consummating.

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Earlier I mentioned . . .
This is WHY when we are in Heaven, we will ALSO partake of the FULFILLED Wedding Feast of The Lamb there too and WHY the Apostles partook of the Body and Blood of Jesus on “The Lord’s Day” in Sacred Scripture.
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James248 asked . . . .
Why do you say this?
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Because the Mass is both a fulfillment of the Passover and a participation in the Heavenly Wedding Supper of the Lamb.

James248. You followed your question up with . . .
There is no Mass in Heaven.
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I am not sure what you mean by this.

If you mean that the Heavenly Liturgy isn’t entirely the same as what we attend on the Lord’s Day (and even from the rising to the setting of the sun daily) manifested in the same way, that’s fine (but it is a foretaste).

In Mass, we are united to the Heavenly Liturgy.

But if by “There is no Mass in Heaven” you mean in Mass we do not participate in the Heavenly Liturgy, I’m going to have an issue with that.
James248. I am just curious. What do you think an “altar” is?

Do you affirm Jesus is Victim, Priest, and Bridegroom (as well as other aspects I won’t get into here like Prophet and King)?

What do you think a “Priest” is?

Do you affirm Jesus’ Priesthood is “eternal”?
 
Cathoholic said:
Earlier I mentioned . . .

James248 asked . . . .

Because the Mass is both a fulfillment of the Passover and a participation in the Heavenly Wedding Supper of the Lamb.

James248. You followed your question up with . . .

I am not sure what you mean by this.

If you mean that the Heavenly Liturgy isn’t entirely the same as what we attend on the Lord’s Day (and even from the rising to the setting of the sun daily) manifested in the same way, that’s fine (but it is a foretaste).

In Mass, we are united to the Heavenly Liturgy.

But if by “There is no Mass in Heaven” you mean in Mass we do not participate in the Heavenly Liturgy, I’m going to have an issue with that.
James248. I am just curious. What do you think an “altar” is?

Do you affirm Jesus is Victim, Priest, and Bridegroom (as well as other aspects I won’t get into here like Prophet and King)?

What do you think a “Priest” is?

Do you affirm Jesus’ Priesthood is “eternal”?
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If you wish to know my thoughts, check this link: www.newtheologicalmovement.blogspot.com/2012/11/is-there-mass-in-heaven-is-christ.html#more
 
James248 said:
No.

Acts 15

6 The apostles and the elders were gathered together to consider this matter. 7 And after there had been much debate, Peter rose and said to them, “Brethren,** you know that in the early days God made choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 And God who knows the heart bore witness to them, giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us; 9 and he made no distinction between us and them, but cleansed their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore why do you make trial of God by putting a yoke upon the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? 11 But we believe that we shall be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.**”
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On the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised (for he who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised worked also through me for mine to the Gentiles), and when James and Cephas and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given to me, they gave the right hand of fellowship to Barnabas and me, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. Only, they asked us to remember the poor, the very thing I was eager to do. But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party. And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy. But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?”
 
patrick457 said:
On the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised (for he who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised worked also through me for mine to the Gentiles), and when James and Cephas and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given to me, they gave the right hand of fellowship to Barnabas and me, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. Only, they asked us to remember the poor, the very thing I was eager to do. But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party. And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy. But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?”
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Why this?
It’s not that Peter wasn’t with Paul, it’s that he wasn’t consistent.
 
James248 said:
Why this?
It’s not that Peter wasn’t with Paul, it’s that he wasn’t consistent.
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Who wasn’t consistent?

When Paul rebuked Peter, Jerome had a great response. He was having this discussion with Augustine.

Jerome said ( all emphasis mine, & paraphrasing by me)

Peter was well aware of the law of Moses, but was playing to those who were weak in their faith and out of fear that he might lose them, did what he did so like the Good Shepherd, would not lose ANYONE given to him. Now look at what Paul did In Acts 16:1-3 Paul took a disciple named Timothy and on account of the Jews of that region, Paul had Timothy a gentile, circumcised. Then
Acts 18:18, Acts 21: 18-26 Paul shaved his head, purified himself and made sacrifice according to the Mosaic law, which he had previously said is no longer to be followed.
Catch that? Paul rebukes Peter while giving himself a pass on far more. But actually, Paul learned from Peter in this exercise that he would enjoin later in his ministry… Because Paul later in his travels explains HIS behavior by saying, to the Gentiles he becomes as a Gentile, to win them over, as to the Jews he became a Jew so that some might be saved. [1 cor 9:20] This is exactly what Peter did earlier with the gentiles and was rebuked by Paul for it. Then Paul embraces this behavior for himself… 

St Jerome points out.

"O blessed Apostle Paul, who has rebuked Peter 
for hypocrisy because he withdrew himself from the
 Gentiles for fear of the Jews who’ came from
 James, why are you, not withstanding your own
 doctrine, compelled to circumcise Timothy, the son of a 
Gentile, for he was not a Jew, having not been circumcised? Will you answer, ‘Because of the Jews which are in these quarters.? If so, then forgive yourself the circumcision of a disciple coming from the Gentiles, and forgive Peter also, who has precedence above you, his doing some things of the same kind through fear of the believing Jews. "

Jerome continues, “Why did you [Paul] shave your head, why did you walk barefoot according to the Jewish ceremonial law, why did you offer sacrifices, why were victims slain for you
 according to the law? Will you answer, ‘To avoid giving offense to those of the Jews who had believed.’ To gain the Jews, you did pretend to be a Jew”. [snip] 


I tried to highlight and compress ( albeit a poor job on my part) what Jerome writes to Augustine concerning this subject. I focused particularly starting with ch’s 3…. of his letter. Here is Jerome’s full letter. Please read it. Forget my inept job at trying to summarize. newadvent.org/fathers/1102075.htm

defendingthebride.com/ch/pa/gatatians.html expanded explanation
 
James248 said:
Not according to this:

lthough many contemporary theologians like to speak as though there is “Mass” in heaven – and they are quite fond of pointing to the Revelation of St. John as the biblical foundation for their novelties – we must reject this notion as foreign to both Scripture and Tradition.
The book of Revelation does not say that there is “Mass” in heaven. In fact, St. John specifies that there is no longer any sacrifice being offered in heaven – therefore, there can be no Mass!
In the fifth chapter, St. John presents the “Lamb who had been slain”, which is Christ. This is the closest to sacrifice the book comes, but even here it is clear that the Lamb is not being offered – rather, the Lamb has already been consummated and now comes to bring final consummation and judgment upon the earth!
And I saw: and behold … a Lamb standing as it were slain, having seven horns and seven eyes … and he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat on the throne. And when he had opened the book … And they sung a new canticle, saying: Thou art worthy, O Lord, to take the book, and to open the seals thereof; because thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God, in thy blood … I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne … saying with a loud voice: The Lamb that was slain is worthy to receive power, and divinity, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and benediction. (Revelation 5:6,7,8,9,11,12)
The Lamb once slain is not a priest offering sacrifice, but is priest consummated. Indeed, it is clear that he is not being offered, for the heavenly host says thou wast slain in the past tense. Indeed, the Lamb which once was slain and has redeemed his people, now (in heaven and at the end of time) gives eternal glory to his saints and receives their praises.
There is no Mass in heaven, because there is no re-presentation of the Sacrifice of the Cross. While there is surely “Liturgy” (insofar as the saints and angels praise God forever), there is no sacrifice – but Christ reigns as priest consummated and consummating.
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Source, properly referenced?
 
EXODUS 12:11-14 11 In this manner you shall eat it: your loins girded, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and you shall eat it in haste. It is the Lord’s passover. 12 For I will pass through the land of Egypt that night, and I will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and on all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the Lord. 13 The blood shall be a sign for you, upon the houses where you are; and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and no plague shall fall upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt. 14 “This day shall be for you a memorial day, and you shall keep it as a feast to the Lord; throughout your generations you shall observe it as an ordinance for ever.
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James248.

I mentioned that the Mass is the fulfillment of the Passover.

You cited a link which (may or may not question this fact of Jesus fulfilling the Passover, I can’t tell) you used to question this (and other things).

If the Mass is NOT the fulfillment of the Passover, we would be disobeying God’s command.

If you want to think the Mass is NOT the fulfillment of the Passover that is your call. I am not here to get you to think what I think about this (“you shall observe it as an ordinance for ever”).
*For other readers here (not James248) . . . . *

There may be “lurkers” who may now question this (Jesus fulfilling the Passover and “Is this REALLY Catholic teaching??”).

There may be readers of this thread who now may think . . . “Is this Jesus fulfilling the Passover merely some contemporary theologians fanciful thinking?”

I want to give you folks some foundation for the fact that the Mass IS the fulfillment of the Passover then allow you to draw your own conclusions.

The Mass being a fulfillment of the Passover is NOT a theological “novum” or invention (nor are the other points I have brought up).

Let’s just deal with the Passover fulfillment for now. (More on some of the other things later)

First how we get INTO that “Paschal or Passover Mystery” in the first place.

VATICAN II . . . by Baptism men are grafted into the paschal mystery of Christ; they die with him, are buried with him and rise with him.—Sacrosanctum Concilium

(We get into that Mystery because the Passover Mystery IS Christ in its fulfilled form and we are Baptized INTO Jesus*).

I mentioned . . . .
Because the Mass is both a fulfillment of the Passover and a participation in the Heavenly Wedding Supper of the Lamb.
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Now let’s go to the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

II. CHRIST’S WORK IN THE LITURGY

. . . is present in the earthly liturgy . . .

CCC 1089 "Christ, indeed, always associates the Church with himself in this great work in which God is perfectly glorified and men are sanctified. The Church is his beloved Bride who calls to her Lord and through him offers worship to the eternal Father."12

. . . which participates in the liturgy of heaven

CCC 1090 "In the earthly liturgy we share in a foretaste of that heavenly liturgy which is celebrated in the Holy City of Jerusalem toward which we journey as pilgrims, where Christ is sitting at the right hand of God, Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle. With all the warriors of the heavenly army we sing a hymn of glory to the Lord; venerating the memory of the saints, we hope for some part and fellowship with them; we eagerly await the Savior, our Lord Jesus Christ, until he, our life, shall appear and we too will appear with him in glory."13

The overall takeaway here is “Christ’s work in the Liturgy is present in the earthly Liturgy (that’s the Mass here in context although there are other aspects like the LITURGY of the hours that likely are associated too and certainly the Baptismal Liturgy), which participates in the Heavenly Liturgy

CCC 1084 and 1085 puts it this way (bold and ul mine) . . . .

CCC 1084a “Seated at the right hand of the Father” and pouring out the Holy Spirit on his Body which is the Church, Christ now acts through the sacraments he instituted to communicate his grace. . . . .

CCC 1085 In the liturgy of the Church, it is principally his own Paschal mystery that Christ signifies and makes present. During his earthly life Jesus announced his Paschal mystery by his teaching and anticipated it by his actions. When his Hour comes, he lives out the unique event of history which does not pass away: Jesus dies, is buried, rises from the dead, and is seated at the right hand of the Father “once for all.” His Paschal mystery is a real event that occurred in our history, but it is unique: all other historical events happen once, and then they pass away, swallowed up in the past. The Paschal mystery of Christ, by contrast, cannot remain only in the past, because by his death he destroyed death, and all that Christ is - all that he did and suffered for all men - participates in the divine eternity, and so transcends all times while being made present in them all. The event of the Cross and Resurrection abides and draws everything toward life.

In the next post I will give a few historical vignettes of Jesus fulfilling the Passover for those who may be interested. (And I might do the home work to bring up some of the salient Bible verses later in the thread too–but many have already been brought up)
  • Baptism does other things too like incorporate us into the Church.
 
Reference for those that may be interested . . . .

From Justin Martyr dialogues with Trypho (St. Justin dies in 165 A.D.)
ST. JUSTIN "The mystery, then, of the lamb which God enjoined to be sacrificed as the passover, was a type of Christ; with whose blood, in proportion to their faith in Him, they anoint their houses, i.e., themselves, who believe on Him. For that the creation which God created–to wit, Adam–was a house for the spirit which proceeded from God, you all can understand. And that this injunction was temporary, I prove thus. God does not permit the lamb of the passover to be sacrificed in any other place than where His name was named; knowing that the days will come, after the suffering of Christ, when even the place in Jerusalem shall be given over to your enemies, and all the offerings, in short, shall cease; and that lamb which was commanded to be wholly roasted was a symbol of the suffering of the cross which Christ would undergo. For the lamb,(1) which is roasted, is roasted and dressed up in the form of the cross. For one spit is transfixed right through from the lower parts up to the head, and one across the back, to which are attached the legs of the lamb. And the two goats which were ordered to be offered during the fast, of which one was sent away as the scape [goat], and the other sacrificed, were similarly declarative of the two appearances of Christ: the first, in which the elders of your people, and the priests, having laid hands on Him and put Him to death, sent Him away as the scope [goat]; and His second appearance, because in the same place in Jerusalem you shall recognise Him whom you have dishonoured, and who was an offering for all sinners willing to repent, and keeping the fast which Isaiah speaks of, loosening the terms(2) of the violent contracts, and keeping the other precepts, likewise enumerated by him, and which I have quoted,(3) which those believing in Jesus do. . . .
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St. Augustine to Faustus the Manichaean Book XII (St. Augustine died in 430 A.D.)
ST. AUGUSTINE In the Passover a lamb is killed, representing Christ, of whom it is said in the Gospel, “Behold the Lamb of God, who taketh away the sin of the world!” (2) In the Passover the bones of the lamb were not to be broken; and on the cross the bones of the Lord were not broken. The evangelist, in reference to this, quotes the words, "A bone of Him shall not be broken." (3) The posts were marked with blood to keep away destruction, as people are marked on their foreheads with the sign of the Lord’s passion for their salvation. The law was given on the fiftieth day after the Passover; so the Holy Spirit came on the fiftieth day after the passion of the Lord. The law is said to have been written with the finger of God; and the Lord says of the Holy Spirit, “With the finger of God I cast out devils.” (4) Such are the Scriptures in which Faustus, after shutting his eyes, declares that he can see no prediction of Christ.
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The posts were marked with blood at the Passover using a hyssop branch.

The “posts” of the Cross was marked with the Blood of Christ and a hyssop branch was used to offer Him sour wine which He eventually received and thus His Marriage to the Church (see Ephesians 5) was “consummated” or “finished”.

Now let’s move ahead to the 1500’s A.D. . . . . .
 
(There were other Old Testament sacrifices that prefigured Jesus’ Sacrifice too but here I am focusing primarily on the Passover, the Mass, and Calvary)

From the Council of Trent in the 1500’s (with some minor formatting by me).
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CHAPTER I.
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**On the institution of the most holy Sacrifice of the Mass. **
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Forasmuch as, under the former Testament, according to the testimony of the Apostle Paul, there was no perfection, because of the weakness of the Levitical priesthood; there was need, God, the Father of mercies, so ordaining, that another priest should rise, according to the order of Melchisedech, our Lord Jesus Christ, who might consummate, and lead to what is perfect, as many as were to be sanctified.
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He, therefore, our God and Lord, though He was about to offer Himself once on the altar of the cross unto God the Father, by means of his death, there to operate an eternal redemption; nevertheless, because that His priesthood was not to be extinguished by His death, in the last supper, on the night in which He was betrayed,–that He might leave, to His own beloved Spouse the Church, a visible sacrifice, such as the nature of man requires, whereby that bloody sacrifice, once to be accomplished on the cross, might be represented, and the memory thereof remain even unto the end of the world, and its salutary virtue be applied to the remission of those sins which we daily commit,–declaring Himself constituted a priest for ever, according to the order of Melchisedech,
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He offered up to God the Father His own body and blood under the species of bread and wine; and, under the symbols of those same things, He delivered (His own body and blood) to be received by His apostles, whom He then constituted priests of the New Testament; and by those words, Do this in commemoration of me, He commanded them and their successors in the priesthood, to offer (them); even as the Catholic Church has always understood and taught.
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For, having celebrated the ancient Passover, which the multitude of the children of Israel immolated in memory of their going out of Egypt, He instituted the new Passover, (to wit) Himself to be immolated, under visible signs, by the Church through (the ministry of) priests, in memory of His own passage from this world unto the Father, when by the effusion of His own blood He redeemed us, and delivered us from the power of darkness, and translated us into his kingdom.
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And this is indeed that clean oblation, which cannot be defiled by any unworthiness, or malice of those that offer (it); which the Lord foretold by Malachias was to be offered in every place, clean to his name, which was to be great amongst the Gentiles; and which the apostle Paul, writing to the Corinthians, has not obscurely indicated, when he says, that they who are defiled by the participation of the table of devils, cannot be partakers of the table of the Lord; by the table, meaning in both places the altar.
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This, in fine, is that oblation which was prefigured by various types of sacrifices, during the period of nature, and of the law; in as much as it comprises all the good things signified by those sacrifices, as being the consummation and perfection of them all.
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Cathoholic said:
(There were other Old Testament sacrifices that prefigured Jesus’ Sacrifice too but here I am focusing primarily on the Passover, the Mass, and Calvary)

From the Council of Trent in the 1500’s (with some minor formatting by me).
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Did you read the link? If you recall, my issue was you insinuating that there is Mass in Heaven. The Mass is Calvary.

From www.newtheologicalmovement.blogspot.com/2012/11/is-there-mass-in-heaven-is-christ.html

The Lamb once slain is not a priest offering sacrifice, but is priest consummated. Indeed, it is clear that he is not being offered, for the heavenly host says thou wast slain in the past tense. Indeed, the Lamb which once was slain and has redeemed his people, now (in heaven and at the end of time) gives eternal glory to his saints and receives their praises.
There is no Mass in heaven, because there is no re-presentation of the Sacrifice of the Cross. While there is surely “Liturgy” (insofar as the saints and angels praise God forever), there is no sacrifice – but Christ reigns as priest consummated and consummating.
 
James248 said:
Did you read the link? If you recall, my issue was you insinuating that there is Mass in Heaven. The Mass is Calvary.

From www.newtheologicalmovement.blogspot.com/2012/11/is-there-mass-in-heaven-is-christ.html

The Lamb once slain is not a priest offering sacrifice, but is priest consummated. Indeed, it is clear that he is not being offered, for the heavenly host says thou wast slain in the past tense. Indeed, the Lamb which once was slain and has redeemed his people, now (in heaven and at the end of time) gives eternal glory to his saints and receives their praises.
There is no Mass in heaven, because there is no re-presentation of the Sacrifice of the Cross. While there is surely “Liturgy” (insofar as the saints and angels praise God forever), there is no sacrifice – but Christ reigns as priest consummated and consummating.
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That website as constructed is not safe to open so my software prohibited me from opening it.

Do you have another source?
 
MartinJordan said:
It also think it is right to say that there is no Sacrifice in Heaven (The Heavenly Jerusalem) but a participation in the Liturgy in Heaven. Keep in mimd in Revelation it is specifically stated “the Lamb once slain”.

Have a look here : stpaulcenter.com/studies/lesson/lesson-five-heaven-on-earth-the-liturgy-of-the-eucharist

Peace be with you.

MJ
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"In the Liturgy of the Eucharist, we see the culmination of biblical history right in front of us on the altar. We “lift up our hearts” to heaven and are, in a real sense, “caught up in spirit” and taken into a liturgy that’s always going on in heaven (see Revelation 4:2). That’s what was revealed to the Apostle John in the Bible’s last book. In fact, it’s the Mass that makes sense of the puzzling, and often frightening visions and symbols of Revelation. What’s revealed to John is that the Mass we celebrate on earth is a participation in the liturgy of heaven. John’s vision begins on “the Lord’s day,” Sunday (see Revelation 1:10) - the name the first Christians gave to the first day of the week, upon which they celebrated “the breaking of the bread” (see Acts 20:7). John is “caught up in spirit on the Lord’s Day.” In other words, possibly while celebrating the Eucharist himself, John is taken to heaven. And John sees the same things we see when we come to Mass. He sees an altar (see Revelation 8:3); candles (1:12); incense (5:8); priests dressed in robes (4:4). And he sees bread or manna (2:17), and bowls or chalices of blood (seeRevelation 16). He sees heavenly worshippers – angels and saints – crying, “Holy, Holy, Holy” (4:8), singing a hymn to the glory of God, the heavenly king (15:3-4) and shouting “alleluia” (19:1,3,6) and making the sign of the cross on their foreheads (14:1). There are readings from Scripture (Revelation 2-3), and, finally, the “wedding feast of the Lamb”(19:9)."
 
Jesus is the ETERNAL Priest, Prophet, and King.

Jesus’ Kingship won’t end at the end of time.

Nor will His Priesthood (or for that matter prophethood).
Not that Jesus Re-offers Himself.

Jesus’ offering is ONE ETERNAL offering.

This is a great mystery so I won’t be able to explain it much better unfortunately.
But in Heaven there is a place of sacrifice—an altar.

There is the “Lamb” and He is described “as though slain”. (This is Paschal sacrificial imagery)

There is THE Priest—Jesus.

Jesus is THE Bridegroom.

SOMETHING is being offered eternally. And not merely “something” but Jesus Himself offers Himself ETERNALLY. And we are by grace now UNITED to Him and that sacrifice.

So paradoxically there is no new sacrifice, but in another sense, THE Sacrifice never ceases and it transcends time and Heaven and earth.
James248. You mentioned . . .
The Lamb once slain is not a priest offering sacrifice, but is priest consummated. Indeed, it is clear that he is not being offered, for the heavenly host says thou wast slain in the past tense.
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But the Sacrifice He “consummated” on Calvary is “past tense” right now too.

Yet Jesus’ sacrifice transcends time, space, Heaven and earth.

Just because it’s “past tense” does not necessitate a change in future status.

That is the same argument many Protestants use to try to attack the Perpetual Virginity of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

For example, they say “until” NECESSITATES a change in status.

And now I hear others saying because Jesus was “slain” (past tense), that His sacrifice necessitates a change in status.

His Sacrifice isn’t transcending time(!) is the implication:eek:.
The other implication of this is we DISOBEY God’s commandment to KEEP Passover for all ETERNITY (an immemorial offering).
Martin Jordan. You said:
It also think it is right to say that there is no Sacrifice in Heaven (The Heavenly Jerusalem) but a participation in the Liturgy in Heaven. Keep in mimd in Revelation it is specifically stated “the Lamb once slain”.
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But I am not claiming another Sacrifice in Heaven. I am not claiming a new “slaying”.

I want to be clear on that. No new sacrifice.

I am saying Jesus’ one once for all Sacrifice on Calvary is united to Heavenly eternity (“Divine Eternity”).

And we don’t CEASE to be part of His Paschal Mystery at the end of time.

And without Jesus’ Paschal Mystery there is NO “Wedding Supper of the Lamb.”
The Church teaches . . .

Church Teaching The Paschal mystery of Christ . . . participates in the DIVINE ETERNITY, and so transcends all times while being made present in them all

Yet I get the sense that some are tying to say . . . .

NOT Church Teaching The Paschal mystery of Christ . . . participates in the EARTHLY ETERNITY ONLY, and so transcends only created time but NOT the Divine eternity so it vanishes at the end of time.
CCC 1085 a, c In the liturgy of the Church, it is principally his own Paschal mystery that Christ signifies and makes present. . . . The Paschal mystery of Christ, by contrast, cannot remain only in the past, because by his death he destroyed death, and all that Christ is - all that he did and suffered for all men - participates in the divine eternity, and so transcends all times while being made present in them all. The event of the Cross and Resurrection abides and draws everything toward life.
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