Why don't men go to church?

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The responses don’t even sound heartfelt… just “Andalsowithyou” “PraisebetheLordJesusChrist…” etc.
That reminds me of a story (urban legend, perhaps) in which a priest at mass stood at the lectern and, tapping on the non-functioning microphone stated, “There’s something wrong with this mike” and the congregation responded with the reflexive, “AndalsowithYOU” 😛

And now on the serious side:
Make it interesting to attend…

Maybe I’m being nit-picky here, and yes it’s only 1 hour a week, but I’d like that 1 hour to have some value to me.
Jay2, what if you were given the gift of being present at the Last Supper…would you decline because
  • those apostles are some pretty scruffy-looking characters–some even smell like fish!
  • what’s with the menu? matzo? where’s the butter?
  • the seating arrangements leave something to be desired
What if you were blessed with the opportunity to be at the foot of the cross?
Would you decline because
  • it’s too hot at 3:00 in Jerusalem
  • wearing sandals on the *Via Dolorosa *makes your feet dusty
  • all they offered you to drink was some stale wine?
If you’re married, would you object to your wife declining your marital embrace because
  • you’re not properly dressed
  • your “performance” may be a bit perfunctory and robotic
  • it’s the same old thing done without excitement, creativity, enthusiasm?
The mass is not a service put forth to entertain. You are being invited to join in the Lord’s Supper, to be present at the foot of the cross, to enter into the sublime union of Christ and his Church, to which the conjugal embrace refers. Jesus’ presence there makes all those objections you proposed irrelevant!
 
Jay2, what if you were given the gift of being present at the Last Supper…would you decline because
those apostles are some pretty scruffy-looking characters–some even smell like fish!
what’s with the menu? matzo? where’s the butter?
the seating arrangements leave something to be desired
No, not at all. I wouldn’t expect a banquet, and I’ll make a fair guess here that the apostles washed up before sitting down with Jesus… (but I’d sure bring a camera and audio… it’d immediately END 2000 years of arguments!)
What if you were blessed with the opportunity to be at the foot of the cross?
Would you decline because
it’s too hot at 3:00 in Jerusalem
wearing sandals on the Via Dolorosa makes your feet dusty
all they offered you to drink was some stale wine?
???
If you’re married, would you object to your wife declining your marital embrace because
you’re not properly dressed
your “performance” may be a bit perfunctory and robotic
it’s the same old thing done without excitement, creativity, enthusiasm?
Not at all. I’d ask her to offer some suggestions to make it more exciting, creative, and enthusiastic!
The mass is not a service put forth to entertain. You are being invited to join in the Lord’s Supper, to be present at the foot of the cross, to enter into the sublime union of Christ and his Church, to which the conjugal embrace refers. Jesus’ presence there makes all those objections you proposed irrelevant!
I’m not asking to be “entertained”, or making fun/light of the subject.
I am asking to be kept awake with topics that involve my community, family, and local government, and how our Catholic Parish can contribute to making our neighborhood a better place.
I also ask that people dress appropriately. If sweats & flops are your only clothing that’s fine… but when the rest of your family is there in dresses and suits…??? Would you attend a Court or Trial in shorts/flops/T-shirt?? Don’t think so.

You made comment yourself about the broken microphone - urban legend or not it’s the truth. I think that rote repetition (of anything) undermines the meaning of what is being said, and people have a tendancy to “tune out” and not really listen.

I should talk to my Priest and ask him to throw a few “curve balls” into the Mass… just to see how many are paying attention! 😃
 
Jay2, I want to make clear that I’m not disagreeing with your complaints.

I’m just saying that they’re irrelevant.

What’s going on at mass is the most sublime, profound, transcendent event this side of heaven! It simply does not matter that everyone else doesn’t get it. You do. What a pity it is to squander such a magnificent gift because of mere trifles!
 
No, not at all. I wouldn’t expect a banquet, and I’ll make a fair guess here that the apostles washed up before sitting down with Jesus… (but I’d sure bring a camera and audio… it’d immediately END 2000 years of arguments!)
No need to bring a camera and audio. Just see with your own eyes and ears what’s going on at mass. Read what the early Church fathers taught about the mass and Last Supper. Listen to what the magisterium proclaims regarding these 2000 years of arguments.

Originally Posted by **PRmerger **
What if you were blessed with the opportunity to be at the foot of the cross?
Would you decline because
it’s too hot at 3:00 in Jerusalem
wearing sandals on the Via Dolorosa makes your feet dusty
all they offered you to drink was some stale wine?


???

What I mean is the mass puts you at the foot of the cross. Don’t waste this opportunity to be present there because of foolish trivialities.
I think that rote repetition (of anything) undermines the meaning of what is being said, and people have a tendancy to “tune out” and not really listen.
If the mass is not understood and revered in our society, the answer is not to change the mass, but to change society. We as a society need to change our automatonesque responses and embrace the beauty and dignity of the words we’re saying. We need to elevate ourselves, not conform the mass to our brokenness
 
No need to bring a camera and audio. Just see with your own eyes and ears what’s going on at mass. Read what the early Church fathers taught about the mass and Last Supper. Listen to what the magisterium proclaims regarding these 2000 years of arguments.

Originally Posted by **PRmerger **
What if you were blessed with the opportunity to be at the foot of the cross?
Would you decline because
it’s too hot at 3:00 in Jerusalem
wearing sandals on the Via Dolorosa makes your feet dusty
all they offered you to drink was some stale wine?


???

What I mean is the mass puts you at the foot of the cross. Don’t waste this opportunity to be present there because of foolish trivialities.

If the mass is not understood and revered in our society, the answer is not to change the mass, but to change society. We as a society need to change our automatonesque responses and embrace the beauty and dignity of the words we’re saying. We need to elevate ourselves, not conform the mass to our brokenness
Amen! And if we can’t change society at least change ourselves.

I make sure that even if everyone else is responding like an automaton I at least say the responses with feeling and thoughtfulness and mean every word of 'em.

I listen to the readings and pray along silently with the priest as if my life depends on it - because the life of my immortal soul does!

And you know what - the more I come to adopt this attitude the less it matters what the people around are doing or not doing. You and I can be John and Mary, at the foot of the Cross giving our hearts and lives along with Christ’s even if the rest of the crowd is jeering at Him.

The commandment says ‘keep the Sabbath holy’, not ‘keep it holy only if you feel the need’. And Jesus said ‘do this in memory of me’, not ‘do this if you feel like it’.
 
When I was growing up, it was drilled into us that missing Mass (except for emergency reasons beyond one’s control like being in a car accident) is a mortal sin and if you died in a state of mortal sin you would be in hell forever. I wonder how many people know that these days.
 
The Latin Mass is a masculine mass… it will bring back the men. For example, when I was on the road to converting to Catholicism I was releived when I found out that praying the Rosary wasn’t a “requirement.” I thought the Rosary was a “womans prayer” and had no desire to pray it. Then, one day on EWTN I heard a priest advocate praying the Rosary in Latin. For some reason this really struck a cord with me. Before I was even confirmed and received my first communion I learned the Rosary in Latin and it became a staple of my private prayer life. The Rosary in Latin “feels” like a man’s prayer to me. It’s hard to emsasculate Latin. My belief is that if you bring back the Tridintine Mass, then watch the men return.
I agree. After all it was Caesar and those who spoke Latin…that conquered the world.

Conquering things…from the living room couch to the known world…is something embedded in males.

The Latin Mass needs to come back 😦
 
Maybe if the music and homilies where not so gynocentric…more men would feel welcome.
 
Maybe if the music and homilies where not so gynocentric…more men would feel welcome.
Now you want to do feelings??? I thought that only a gynocentric culture would be concerned about “feeling welcomed”. I though that in a male driven culture we would just barge into the Church and attend Mass.😃
 
Amen! And if we can’t change society at least change ourselves.

Precisely. “Think Eternity, Act NOW.”

I make sure that even if everyone else is responding like an automaton I at least say the responses with feeling and thoughtfulness and mean every word of 'em.

Sometimes I sound like a robot because I am concentrating so much on what is happening. Like when you’re really imagining the events in the Rosary, you’re getting the most out of it, but I doubt anyone else would get much out of listening to you. Other times I am more aware of what other people are doing and I like to belt out the Creed, really sing that Amen, etc. Fortunately for the rest of you, my singing is only fully audible in the cry room.

I listen to the readings and pray along silently with the priest as if my life depends on it - because the life of my immortal soul does!

That’s the way to do it. If someone’s having trouble getting excited about Mass, I suggest try reading all the readings in advance. If you have time, even stop and think about how they apply to you. If you have beaucoup time, you might imagine what kind of homily you’d like to give that day. Then you’ll appreciate the one you get all the more.

And you know what - the more I come to adopt this attitude the less it matters what the people around are doing or not doing. You and I can be John and Mary, at the foot of the Cross giving our hearts and lives along with Christ’s even if the rest of the crowd is jeering at Him.

What really brought that home to me was those Bud McFarlane novels they give out at www.catholicity.com for free. In one of them, a character named Buzz is stuck in some church out of town and he doesn’t like the church, or the priest or the parishioners very much at all. Then he reminds himself that he’s not there for THEM, he’s there to be with Jesus. I’ve been to some really wierd churches but thinking about that puts things into perspective. The last time I left a mass was when a priest held up a host that looked like a giant chocolate-chip cookie - but I wasn’t bored, just a little scared.

The commandment says ‘keep the Sabbath holy’, not ‘keep it holy only if you feel the need’. And Jesus said ‘do this in memory of me’, not ‘do this if you feel like it’.

That’s very true. The thing people have to remember is what they are REALLY doing there. When you are at Mass, singing your “holy, holy, holy”, you are worshipping God with all the angels and saints. There was only one sacrifice - and you’re at it. There is only one high priest - and He’s there in front of you. Really then, there is only ONE MASS - and nomatter what you are seeing around you, you are really at that one mass, with all the angels and all the saints, in the presence of the Creator of the Universe, and He’s asking you to let Him be the best friend you’ll ever have, and then to just say, “well…I dunno, Jesus. The dude next to me doesn’t look very enthused…gimme a few weeks to think about it…later days…” It’s just silly.
 
(I’ve got my asbestos suit on… so flame away)

I’ll attend Mass about one Sunday in eight, and on Easter & Christmas. I go when I feel the need/pull to get into the Church.

-snip-

Maybe I’m being nit-picky here, and yes it’s only 1 hour a week, but I’d like that 1 hour to have some value to me.
Jay2

Not to hijack, but, a quick suggestion. Get a copy of “The Lamb’s Supper” by Scott Hahn. This book changed my mind about Mass. 👍
 
Jay2

Not to hijack, but, a quick suggestion. Get a copy of “The Lamb’s Supper” by Scott Hahn. This book changed my mind about Mass. 👍
Excellent book, and nice interpretation of Apocalypse (Revelation).
 
Hi,
My church is full of men. Sadly my husband is not one of them. Simply put he is not a believer. Actually neither of us were when we got married. I am now and hopefully by my actions and God’s mercy and grace he will join me one day.

I think,in american culture, that men are not being taught that they are the head of the household. They are also not being taught that they will be held accountable from an ALMIGHTY GOD for how they handle that job. IMHO, I believe the women’s movement hurt this as well. We,women, have(what is the word?)made men feel like we dont need them anymore. Women feel they should and can be the head of the household. Of course, that reality started with the Fall of Man.😦
I think us women need to learn how to relinquish some control. I told my husband not too long ago that he was head of the household and his reaction was :bigyikes:
 
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