Why don't non-catholic christians convert?

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Hodos said:
The answer to your question (at least for me, and I am not alone) is that we have serious doctrinal disagreements with the Roman Catholic Church that have not been addressed. Until those issues are addressed, I cannot in good conscience covert to Roman Catholicism. We also have a different view of ecclesiology than the Roman Catholic Church does. While we lament the fact that schism exists in the Church, unity cannot be built on a foundation other than Jesus Christ preached and taught faithfully. My hope is that we continue dialogue to try to come to a point of reconciliation that is substantial in doctrine and practice, but we aren’t there yet.
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And the question is why would they want us ? If we have honest and sincere disagreements, doesn’t it seem reasonable that matters of conscience be resolved first? Or is an increase in cafeteria Catholicism preferably?
 
Well you get to be saved. Still. But you don’t have like 6000 other points of view on it and you get peace
 
So, ego cannot keep one separated from the truth? Please explain.

Free will cannot be employed in making a decision for either good or bad?

Not understanding here.
 
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He knows because he knows. Similar to God’s line of “I am that I am”.

There’s just no way for him to transfer his “knowing” to you in a way that’s certain (by more material, contemporary standards).

Lack of independent veracity? In short?
 
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Vonsalza said:
He knows because he knows. Similar to God’s line of “I am that I am”.

There’s just no way for him to transfer his “knowing” to you in a way that’s certain (by more material, contemporary standards).

Lack of independent veracity? In short?
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Then it is merely an accusation. It mirrors the accusation sometimes made by non-Catholics that Catholics can’t think for themselves, and only follow the pope.

I reject both as, at best, presumptuous
 
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So, ego cannot keep one separated from the truth? Please explain.

Free will cannot be employed in making a decision for either good or bad?

Not understanding here.
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No, first you explain how you know that ego is the reason.
 
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Imagine for a minute if someone came to you and said the Catholic Church isn’t the true Church. You should become Methoidist. Imagine what you would think and how you would feel. There is your answer.
 
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Then it is merely an accusation.
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Yeah, you’re right about that. Largely.

As we’ve discussed (way) earlier, I’d give the Catholics and the Orthodox larger shares on the “Ours is the ‘True Church’” probability table.

But as far as certainty? If we’ve not created the unbeatable argument in 2000 years, I doubt we’ll do it in the next 2000…
It mirrors the accusation sometimes made by non-Catholics that Catholics can’t think for themselves, and only follow the pope.
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Blind adherents are found in pretty much any expression of faith, so the broad brush can be falsely applied to anyone, sure.

I think it could segue into a good discussion on the pros and cons of the necessity of the visibility of the Church.
I reject both as, at best, presumptuous
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“At best” seems a little unfair. But as you like.

Hope you’ve been well, Jon.
 
po18guy said:
I do not understand why you are even asking this. I guess I am just extremely stupid.
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You made a statement in answer to the OP. you said:
po18guy said:
  • Free will
  • Ego
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I just want to know how you know this, particularly the second one.
Do you have data, or a survey, a source?

If I said ego is what keeps Catholics Catholic, you’d probably want to know how I knew that.
Wouldn’t you?
 
You see. Non Catholics were not always taught the way you were! Simple answer.

Also then they went and checked out all the rest and it didn’t add up.

That is not all the non-Catholics but you do get some who did their due.
 
Vonsalza said:
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Then it is merely an accusation.
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Yeah, you’re right about that. Largely.

As we’ve discussed (way) earlier, I’d give the Catholics and the Orthodox larger shares on the “Ours is the ‘True Church’” probability table.

But as far as certainty? If we’ve not created the unbeatable argument in 2000 years, I doubt we’ll do it in the next 2000…
It mirrors the accusation sometimes made by non-Catholics that Catholics can’t think for themselves, and only follow the pope.
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Blind adherents are found in pretty much any expression of faith, so the broad brush can be falsely applied to anyone, sure.

I think it could segue into a good discussion on the pros and cons of the necessity of the visibility of the Church.
I reject both as, at best, presumptuous
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“At best” seems a little unfair. But as you like.

Hope you’ve been well, Jon.
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I could take the “at best “ out as a bit overstated, sure.
I like your segue, though. 👍
 
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po18guy:
I do not understand why you are even asking this. I guess I am just extremely stupid.
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You made a statement in answer to the OP. you said:
po18guy said:
  • Free will
  • Ego
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I just want to know how you know this, particularly the second one.
Do you have data, or a survey, a source?

If I said ego is what keeps Catholics Catholic, you’d probably want to know how I knew that.
Wouldn’t you?
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Do you recognize that humans have an ego?
  1. Yes
  2. No
 
po18guy said:
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JonNC:
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po18guy:
I do not understand why you are even asking this. I guess I am just extremely stupid.
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You made a statement in answer to the OP. you said:
po18guy said:
  • Free will
  • Ego
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I just want to know how you know this, particularly the second one.
Do you have data, or a survey, a source?

If I said ego is what keeps Catholics Catholic, you’d probably want to know how I knew that.
Wouldn’t you?
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Do you recognize that humans have an ego?
  1. Yes
  2. No
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Yes. But ego is not something apparent on one’s face.
Is it possible, even probable, that non-Catholics May fall heavily into one of two categories?
  1. intensely aware of doctrinal differences
  2. decidedly unaware, belonging to the church of their family, with no consideration that the Catholic Church is any more or less just another church.
Maybe free will here, but no ego.
 
You tell me. Anyone can be a preacher, anyone can distribute communion which is whatever they make of it, this is no longer something I identify with . The Church of England in my country LITERALLY happened because the king wanted to have sex with someone else other than his wife. And they wonder why I don’t support the monarchy hahah
 
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