Why don't the resurrected remember where they were?

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From time to time we get SDAs attempting to infiltrate these comments threads, either asking a question about, or simply stating, some point of their doctrine that differs significantly from Catholic beliefs. Here is a recent example:
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How do we know Adam is a saint? Moral Theology
He isn’t - yet. He is in the dusty grave, awaiting the call of Jesus at his respective resurrection. Gen_3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. Yet, is Adam a “saint”? Yes: Psa_116:15 Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints. Gen 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
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Oh, I see. And how does my question or responses in the thread hint towards the possibility of me being a non-Catholic in general, let alone an SDA?
 
There are only 2 righteous persons and 1 righteous group raised from the dead after Jesus was resurrected (the saints in Jerusalem in Matthew 27:53 immediately after Jesus’ death; Tabitha raised with Peter in Acts 9:36-42; Eutychus raised with Paul in Acts 20: 7-12) so they would have been destined for heaven (and not Sheol since that place was emptied of the righteous who now go to heaven). Since their reactions were not recorded, perhaps their souls had not been disembodied. Don’t we assume that souls in heaven are disembodied like those in Rev 6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. ?
 
It’s not a question of being “a non-Catholic in general, let alone an SDA”. It’s a question of being specifically an SDA. Your OP sounded suspiciously like the SDA doctrine which I believe is called “soul sleep”.

Let me just add that there is no objection to non-Catholics posting here and discussing their beliefs. There are Orthodox Jews, Reform Jews, Muslims, Lutherans, Anglicans, Baptists, Mormons, Calvinists, atheists, agnostics … you name it, who post here constantly. . They are all welcome. But they are all up front about who they are and what they’re doing here. Typically, it’s only SDAs who try and creep in under the radar and conceal or disguise their religious identity.
 
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Sursumcorda1 said:
perhaps their souls had not been disembodied
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You mean, perhaps they ascended into heaven with their body? I believe only our blessed Lord and his blessed Mother ascended into heaven with their bodies (although I believe there is one other, a descendant of Adam. Enoch perhaps? Someone from the Old Testament and only lived to 500 years or so before ascending).

And yes, I believe that it is Catholic belief that those in heaven are separated from their earthly body.
 
Sorry. I meant that perhaps their souls had NOT YET been disembodied since both Tabitha and Eutychus had been dead only for less than a day. I recall that biblical Jews held the belief that a person had to be dead for 4 days before they were officially declared dead.
 
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But are there not resurrections that occur before the end of time? Does Jesus not resurrect people in the New Testament?
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The Miracles are to give glory to God. And announce the Kingdom of Heaven on earth. It wasnt about the people Jesus resurrected, it was about God. That was the focus of all the miracles Jesus granted
 
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I see. And how does this information relate to my question about the resurrected not remembering the afterlife? Since everyone had been dead for such a short amount of time before Christ resurrected them, are you suggesting that perhaps their soul was still attached to their body so they had yet to experience it? Is it true in all cases of resurrection in the Bible that the deceased had only been deceased for less than four days? This is an interesting idea but I don’t know if it’s compatible with Catholic teaching. I can hearing it said from another layperson that at death, your soul is immediately taken by St. Michael to God for judgement. I may not be deep in my Catholic faith but the soul resting for four days is something I’ve never heard.
 
specifically with Lazarus, Jesus replies

In the Gospel of John
4 But when Jesus heard this, He said, “This sickness is not to end in death, but for the glory of God, so that the Son of God may be glorified by it.”
 
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GiftofMercy said:
The Miracles are to give glory to God.
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Perhaps it is just my imagination but I believe you’re implying that I believe the miracles held some other purpose in which case, I want to say that I asserted no such thing and I believe I implied no such thing. At no point did I say anything regarding the purpose of the miracles.
If you’re just adding that point on though, that’s fine.
 
PenguinBeak said:
Perhaps it is just my imagination but I believe you’re implying that I believe the miracles held some other purpose in which case, I want to say that I asserted no such thing and I believe I implied no such thing. At no point did I say anything regarding the purpose of the miracles.
If you’re just adding that point on though, that’s fine.
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Be at peace, I am answering your original question about why we did not hear from those who had the miracles performed on them. Look at the examples of the living who were the subject of miracles, they either ran off to tell the others, or came back to thank Jesus . Jesus would reply it was the Father who did this and the Father who was all good, the only good and the object of our worship for His glory.

I understand how defensive people can be on the internet and misinterpret reponses. Part of this is due to having no body language or tone to judge the response. CAF is subject to this frequently.
 
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GiftofMercy said:
specifically with Lazarus, Jesus replies

In the Gospel of John
4 But when Jesus heard this, He said, “This sickness is not to end in death, but for the glory of God, so that the Son of God may be glorified by it.”
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Ah, but what point are you making in this post? Are you perhaps just adding on to your first post about the purpose of the miracles being the glorification of God?
 
PenguinBeak said:
Ah, but what point are you making in this post? Are you perhaps just adding on to your first post about the purpose of the miracles being the glorification of God?
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Yes in Jesus own words , when His great friends , the family of Lazarus, and His Apostles were wondering why He did not immediaetly go there. Jesus loved Lazarus and wept for his distress
PenguinBeak said:
Care to explain the distinction between the Lord’s Ascension and His Mother’s Assumption? Surely, both are entering heaven?
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Questions like this might be best answered by someone like @CRM_Brother

I could quote you the catechism but he can really explain the ins and outs of it.
 
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GiftofMercy said:
when His great friends , the family of Lazarus, and His Apostles were wondering why He did not immediaetly go there.
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Jesus did not immediately go to see Lazarus? What was he doing instead?
GiftofMercy said:
Jesus loved Lazarus and wept for his distress
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Why would Jesus weep for Lazarus? Was Lazarus not a sincere follower of Christ? Surely, as Christ had yet to finish his sacrifice, Lazarus would’ve gone to the edge of Hell, Limbo and rested in that paradise? Did Lazarus perhaps go to the fires below?
 
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Jesus did not immediately go to see Lazarus? What was he doing instead?
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I will link the Gospel passages so you can read them. Also if you have available ‘The Greatest Story Ever Told’ get it and watch it. It is on DVD and really does the story of Lazarus well.

Jesus was great friends with Lazarus. As fully human, Jesus experienced grief and sorrow. And saw the distress of the family of Lazarus who were mourning him, Lazarus had been in the tomb a few days by the time Jesus arrived. There was a lot of mourning going on.

We do not know where Lazarus went, we can only marvel at the glory of God who resurrected Lazarus. 🙂

https://biblehub.com/esv/john/11.htm

The words of Jesus are written in red.

And then Read John 12. There was a plot to also kill Lazarus because he had been raised by Jesus
https://biblehub.com/esv/john/12.htm

Here we get Palm Sunday 🙂
 
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