Why don't you think it's not obvious to Protestants that their bible is not the bible that contains the fullness of the inspired written Word of God?

[drbible1611]

Ever the literalist aren’t you? You’re right, I was born into a nominal Methodist family who couldn’t understand how the pot smoking party animal suddenly got very conservative. My initial conversion experience was at age 19 in an Independent, Fundamental, KJV Baptist church where I learned all about the Catholic Church from Chick Tracts. I was baptized by immersion in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I went to church every time the doors were opened, I was immersed in fundamentalist theology and was rabidly anti-Catholic until quite recently.

12But as many as received him, he gave them power to be made the sons of God, to them that believe in his name.

13Who are born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Amen!

If by “apostate” you mean someone who has a closer, stronger, deeper relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ than ever before then I don’t know why you’d be sad.

God. Made. Me. Catholic. I was seeking the Truth and I found Him in the Catholic Church.

Friend, all of the those things you DID does NOT make you a born again Christian.

However, if you claim that you are trusting in Jesus Christ ALONE to get to heaven and NOTHING ELSE, then I have no reason to disbelieve you, and I do sincerely hope that is the case.

Assuming it is then I find it astonishing that you could possibly attend Mass which is the worst kind of idolatry known to mankind and at the same time believe that Christ’s sacrifice was a ONCE and FOR ALL sacrifice never to be repeated! Surely you don’t pray to Mary and believe in transubstantiation do you?

Having said that I do believe in eternal security, so if you are saved, then don’t forget the Judgment Seat of Christ where you will lose your rewards for committing the sin of idolatry

 

[drbible1611]

You are absolutely entitled to your 100% wrong opinion, fostered by studying 50% of Christ. You have effectively invented your own church, which very few other Christians agree with. So, what’s the point?

It’s not opinion-it’s a fact!

Addition: The Mass, Auricular confession to a priest, Assumption of Mary, Co-Mediatrix, Pope Vicar of Christ etc etc

Subtraction: Gen 3:15 ‘she’ instead of ‘he’ (Douay-Rheims)
Penance instead of Repentance in Luke and Acts (Douay-Rheims)

Private interpretation:; Jesus said: Peter is the rock upon which the Roman Catholic church is built

I never invented any Church-God did! and it is comprised of a living body of born again believers (The Body of Christ) who happen to worship and fellowship in independent (well some), local churches that are or at least should be patterned on what Paul’s epistles teach.

It’s not about being a Baptist, Methodist, Pentacostal, Catholic but being part of the Body of Christ-are you?

 

[rpp]

Doctor Bible 1611, (the 4th English translation)
You have not yet explained what gives YOU the authority to claim what is and is not part of the Bible.

Please answer this.

 

[drbible1611]

Of course, it doesn’t actually say this in the bible…It seems you have your own traditions of men!

Another man-made tradition. Again, not in the bible.

And, on that day when you face Christ in the judgment seat, just shout “Hey, Jesus, I did it MY way!!!”

Does obedience have anything to do with following Christ?

Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought it was the Catholic Church that gave us heretics the title of Protestant?

Please show me where in my posts I have quoted or followed any man?

Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else?

 

[drbible1611]

Do you actually believe that Catholics are not saved? Are you even baptized? If so, how? This is important.

Good question-you see I’ve got my money on both horses!

I was baptized as a baby by ‘Fr’ Murat at St Paul’s Polish Catholic Church in Leicester, England.

Aged 8 years I had my first ‘holy’ communion.

Aged 12 I was confirmed.

I have partaken of 1OO’s of masses on Sundays and ‘holy’ days of obligation.

Does that qualify me?

 

[rpp]

Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought it was the Catholic Church that gave us heretics the title of Protestant?

Please show me where in my posts I have quoted or followed any man?

Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else?

Okay, I’ll correct you. The term came from Zwingli, a contemporary of Luther.

Well.when you claim that the book removed by Luther are not inspired, you are most certainly following men.

You still have not answer my thrive repeated question. Where do you get your authority to declare certain books of Divine origin and others not of Divine origin?

Continually dodging important and critical questions does not demonstrate that you are arguing from a position of strength.

 

[drbible1611]

So you are trying to define the Old Testament Canon as being between the time of the first murder and the time the last prophet was killed?

If that is the case, then you have some problems. Malachi, Zechariah, Jonah, and many of the other minor prophets.

I do have a question. It may have been asked already but I have not read the whole thread. Who has the authority to determine the Canon of the Bible? Both the Old and New Testaments? Surely God does not want chaos in this area.

I don’t have any problems you do.

Go check a Hebrew ‘Bible’ all of the books are there (Malachi, Jonah etc) but not in the same order and there is a reason for that-but that’s another story.

Jesus said Gen to 2Chronicles and Law, Prophets and Psalms NOT me. So if He is the author of the canon of the OT then I guess He must also be the author of the canon of the OT. Remember “in the beginning was the Word”.

Isn’t God’s book to us just wonderful and full of TRUTH!

 

[drbible1611]

Ahem, the Church was what introduced the Bible to humanity… Matthew, Peter, John, Luke… they were all Catholic. The word “Catholic” just wasn’t around to determine who was an apostate or not at that point in time. (Late 2nd century, I believe…)

We are His Church. We’ve got the Pentecost, which gave the Church the Holy Spirit the divine authority to, well, have authority. No other church has that right.

Yeah right?

Private opinion and interpretation!

 

[drbible1611]

Yes! Amen! Alleluia! On authority from Christ through His Apostles. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

Hang around and learn from the One True Church! Sadly, you are the freshman telling the Professor Emeritus all about his area of expertise.

Scholarship doesn’t impress me one iota but more importantly it doesn’t impress God!

 

[rpp]

I don’t have any problems you do.

Go check a Hebrew ‘Bible’ all of the books are there (Malachi, Jonah etc) but not in the same order and there is a reason for that-but that’s another story.

Jesus said Gen to 2Chronicles and Law, Prophets and Psalms NOT me. So if He is the author of the canon of the OT then I guess He must also be the author of the canon of the OT. Remember “in the beginning was the Word”.

Isn’t God’s book to us just wonderful and full of TRUTH!

First,m do not make personal insults. That is not kind and is certainly not Christ-like. It is a shortcut to getting your account here banned.

Many of the minor prophets whose books are part of the “Protestant” bible lived well after the death of Zechariah and the end of the periods covered by Chronicles.

Therefore, you certainly do have a problem if you are using that as a measure of what should and should not be in the Old Testament. The books I mentioned, as well as several others, came generations after the murder of Zechariah.

You still, for the forth time, have not explained what authority you have
to declare what should and should not be in the canon of Scripture.

 

[rpp]

Yeah right?

Private opinion and interpretation!

And exactly what is it that you are doing?

 

[rpp]

Scholarship doesn’t impress me one iota but more importantly it doesn’t impress God!

So what you are saying is that you are not willing to listen to people more educated than you? (The part about God is a silly canard and I will ignore the bait.)

 

[drbible1611]

The LDS church usually claims to be the resurrection of the one true church, the restoration of the true church, or the remnant. That is why. Why would you be offended? Every one I have met has been sincere in putting forth their belief that the church fell into decay and had to be restored at some point. They are also KJV bible believers.

You need to lighten up a bit.

Satan also believes and even quotes Scripture albeit incorrectly (Mt4 & Lk4)

Actually the Mormons use a KJB corrupted by Mr Joe Smith-so you are wrong again.

 

[rpp]

Doctor Bible,

Here is some advice.

When you insult people, they will not listen to you. If you want people to listen, treat them with respect.

It is also a rule on this forum. Violating that rule is one of the fastest ways to get banned. And, despite what you might tell yourself, it will not be because you are not Catholic.

 

[rpp]

You need to lighten up a bit.

Satan also believes and even quotes Scripture albeit incorrectly (Mt4 & Lk4)

Actually the Mormons use a KJB corrupted by Mr Joe Smith-so you are wrong again.

PO18Guy’s statement was factually correct. An important part of legitimate debater is recognizing when your opponent is correct. It is rare when someone is absolutely wrong in everything they say. When someone disputes absolutely everything another person says, it is usually not motivated by a sense of correctness or a search for truth.

 

[drbible1611]

Doctor Bible 1611, (the 4th English translation)
You have not yet explained what gives YOU the authority to claim what is and is not part of the Bible.

Please answer this.

I am simply quoting Scripture-I don’t have any authority whatsoever and neither does ANY Church or denomination whether it be Baptist, Methodist, Anglican etc

God promised to preserve his word Ps 12:6-7 and I believe Him and no one else

 

[rpp]

I am simply quoting Scripture-I don’t have any authority whatsoever and neither does ANY Church or denomination whether it be Baptist, Methodist, Anglican etc

God promised to preserve his word Ps 12:6-7 and I believe Him and no one else

Yeah. People quote scripture all the time. Even atheists and anti-Christians.

So what you are saying is that God has not authorized you to say anything, unlike the Catholic Church. We have to take your word for it that what you say is true and, unlike the Catholic Church, to which He gave the power to lose and bind, you do not carry the promise of God that you will lead by the Holy Spirit and will always be correct.

Okay. Thank you for clearing that up. Whew! That is a relief, we can safely ignore what you are saying on this matter.

But can you safely ignore what the Church says. If so, why are you so special?

 

[po18guy]

It’s not opinion-it’s a fact!

Addition: The Mass, Auricular confession to a priest, Assumption of Mary, Co-Mediatrix, Pope Vicar of Christ etc etc

Subtraction: Gen 3:15 ‘she’ instead of ‘he’ (Douay-Rheims)
Penance instead of Repentance in Luke and Acts (Douay-Rheims)

Private interpretation:; Jesus said: Peter is the rock upon which the Roman Catholic church is built

I never invented any Church-God did! and it is comprised of a living body of born again believers (The Body of Christ) who happen to worship and fellowship in independent (well some), local churches that are or at least should be patterned on what Paul’s epistles teach.

It’s not about being a Baptist, Methodist, Pentacostal, Catholic but being part of the Body of Christ-are you?

I dare not answer, because to do so would be to wield the sword of the Archangel Michael as against tissue paper! Let’s put it this way: Everything you “know” about the Catholic church is wrong. Once you come to grips with that, we can make headway. Until then, all interaction is a waste. I shall retire to the prayer threads, where good is being done.

 

[sodak]

How do you know that to be true? This is a very sweeping statement which is simply incorrect.

No, it’s quite true. I’ve been to many “bible believing” churches.

Who told YOU that the Apocrypha is the inspired word of God?

The Apocrypha is not inspired. The Deuterocanonicals are. Get your terminology correct. Unless, of course, you are trying to be insulting, then you need to read the forum rules.

It certainly wasn’t the Lord Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost who is the author of the Holy Scriptures!

Prove it.

 

[drbible1611]

Okay, I’ll correct you. The term came from Zwingli, a contemporary of Luther.

Well.when you claim that the book removed by Luther are not inspired, you are most certainly following men.

You still have not answer my thrive repeated question. Where do you get your authority to declare certain books of Divine origin and others not of Divine origin?

Continually dodging important and critical questions does not demonstrate that you are arguing from a position of strength.

OK, I stand corrected.

To be honest I was never aware of Luther’s views on the Apocrypha.

Actually I know very little about Luther apart from the fact that he was once an Augustinian Monk and by the Spirit of God realised he was a filthy sinner that deserved to go to hell and that he could only get right with God by accepting Christ’s righteousness and not his own. He tried to reform the ‘church’ but found it impossible (I was going to say something else but I have already received an infraction) so he came out as commanded to do so by Paul in Corinthians and John in Revelation.

All I have is my King James Bible and the Holy Ghost!