Why Evangelical megachurches are embracing (some) Catholic traditions

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Strictly speaking you’re correct. But I suspect they avoid universal for clarity sake. Seeing as universal can be bastardized to mean things other than Christ’s Church quite easily.
 
Unless it has already been mentioned, it is evidence that Catholic apologetics makes sense and is working.

The departure for Rome by Dr. Francis Beckwith might have tipped the scales just a bit.
 
adf417 said:
I would agree it is just bread. However, i hope you don’t explain to your 6 year old that pretending to be a princes while playing dress up means absolutely nothing. There is efficacious value in these things!

Peace!!!
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That’s sure nice for children pretending, isn’t it. But if your 45 year old friend lived their life believing that he/she was a fairy princess then wouldn’t you find that a bit odd, possibly? Clearly your adult friend is not a fairy princess, and so why would you play along as though they actually were? They need to get some help rather than having people simply play along with their delusion. They may actually be in danger. (This principle can really be applied to so much that’s going on in our culture today, i.e. gender identity disorder, etc…)
Same principle applies to non-Catholic denominations and their treatment of the issue of the Bread of Life on the altar.

My $.02

Peace to you adf. Have a nice day, everyone.
 
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vsedriver said:
another puzzler, they reject the traditions of the historic Christian Church yet follow other traditions?
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Reformed folks see the Reformation as recovering the Historic church teachings that were muddled during the middle ages by scholastic theologians and theologians influenced by Greek philosophy. If you ask a Presbyterian they will say they recovered the doctrines of grace that were abandoned or at least hidden to most folks by the church during the middle ages. I must admit, I’ve read Augustine’s work “On the Perseverance of the Saints” and it reads like a Presbyterian seminary text book.
 
Some maybe. Though most probably not. A great number of even Anglo Catholic Anglicans stick to the more nebulous and undefined real presence.
 
Something like that. It has a more familiar ring, though, I think, that one I’m reaching for.
 
It starts with an M doesn’t it. Mixed! That’s it! Or is it Miscellaneous?
 
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lanman87:
The church I attend has this statement on it’s website.

We are a church under the Lordship of Jesus Christ. Therefore, we are committed to contending for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints (Jude 1:3). In unity with the historic Christian church, we believe and confess the Apostles’, Nicene and Chalcedonian Creeds as accurate representations of Scripture’s teaching. In
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Do they recite the “I believe in the Holy Catholic Church” and try to rationalize the Catholic part away and try to say it doesn’t mean what it obviously means or do they modify the creeds and leave that out?
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they say “Holy catholic Church.” They say the word “catholic” in this situation simply means God’s universal and “invisible” (their word not mine) Church.
 
Your attitude towards / view of non-Catholic Christians is definitely “interesting”.

I know my Mass attendance has been falling as of late due to the uncomfortableness of how many people there may carry this belief of me once they find out I’m not Catholic.
 
TC3033 said:
Your attitude towards / view of non-Catholic Christians is definitely “interesting”.

I know my Mass attendance has been falling as of late due to the uncomfortableness of how many people there may carry this belief of me once they find out I’m not Catholic.
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Hi TC,
I attended Mass as a non-Catholic too, same as you. As a side note - I was always careful to not receive communion until I was confirmed in the Catholic faith.
Are you saying, possibly, that as a non-Catholic you are receiving communion at Catholic Mass? Your post doesn’t make that clear, so forgive me if you feel that I am overstepping, but in case you are not aware then here’s a guideline from the Church for non-Catholics regarding communion:

Other Christians and Communion
The guidelines for receiving Communion, which are issued by the U.S. bishops and published in many missalettes, explain, “Because Catholics believe that the celebration of the Eucharist is a sign of the reality of the oneness of faith, life, and worship, members of those churches with whom we are not yet fully united are ordinarily not admitted to Communion. Eucharistic sharing in exceptional circumstances by other Christians requires permission according to the directives of the diocesan bishop and the provisions of canon law.”
Source > Who Can Receive Holy Communion in the Catholic Church | Catholic Answers | Catholic Answers

Again, if you are refraining from communion already then forgive me if that seemed presumptuous.

TC,
You should in no way feel uncomfortable going to mass. I went to mass daily for two years before I was confirmed. It’s great that you are attending mass, whether you come eventually into full communion the Church or not.

I hope you do. 🙂
God bless.
 
Padres1969 said:
They do, but many of their contemporaries such as Arian and Gnostic Christianity which persists to this day do not per the RCC.

That has to be one of the most interesting things to encounter from the outside on this board. The notion that the early Christian Church was unified in what today is the RCC. When in fact the Church has been splintered from almost the moment Christ ascended into heaven and the apostles began spreading out.
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Many heretical sects came and went…but I think its a bit of a stretch to say that Arianism and Gnostic Christianity persist to this day. Sure, there are groups that hold those beliefs… but there’s nothing comparable to the Catholic or Orthodox Churches in terms of a nearly 2000 year old institution with continuity of belief and practice down through the centuries.
 
GKMotley said:
And that’s the point with Anglo-Catholics who hold that they are part of the Catholic Church, in the Anglican tradition.

And of course I’m aware of Apostolicae curae, a hobby of mine for 20 years,plus. Anglicans don’t affirm it. RCs/ECs should, at the appropriate level of theological certainty.
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Hey…my parents have just announced their intention to join ANIC. I rejoice.

You have to understand that we all started out as completely non-liturgical, non-sacramental, low church evangelicals… I went Catholic as an older teen. They’ve been on a more gradual journey.
 
Best wishes to them and good on 'em. It wouldn’t be for me, but some Anglicans are not quite like some other Anglicans, as is well known…

I’m not quite like ACNA, for example.
 
From my mom’s perspective, ANIC is much more “catholic” than anything they’ve known previously.

From my limited exposure, they seem to have an internal spectrum when it comes to low / high church (whether vestments are used…etc).
 
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Good to see Protestants seek out a more historical version of Christianity – because the early church was VERY eucharistic. To deny that is to deny reality.

But the Evangelical megachurches do, at times, introduce people to Jesus. So I would not call them worthless.
 
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