Why forgive in cases God wouldn't?

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We are expected to forgive even when someone hasn’t expressed remorse. But God only forgives when one is sorry for their sins. Aren’t we supposed to imitate God?

This leads to two possibilities:
  1. God forgives unrepentant sinners
    OR
  2. In imitation of our Lord, if someone isn’t sorry for wrongdoing, we need not forgive them.
 
We are expected to forgive even when someone hasn’t expressed remorse. But God only forgives when one is sorry for their sins. Aren’t we supposed to imitate God?

This leads to two possibilities:
  1. God forgives unrepentant sinners
    OR
  2. In imitation of our Lord, if someone isn’t sorry for wrongdoing, we need not forgive them.
God forgives continuously; Jesus forgave His persecutors from the cross. But the wildcard is us; God won’t force us to turn to Him, to change. Without a change of heart, without repentance, God’s forgiveness doesn’t effect the purpose it intends: the justification of man, the restoration of justice to His universe. The father of the Prodigal waits for his son with open arms, as God the Father does for all of His wayward creation.
 
God forgives continuously; Jesus forgave His persecutors from the cross. But the wildcard is us; God won’t force us to turn to Him, to change. Without a change of heart, without repentance, God’s forgiveness doesn’t effect the purpose it intends: the justification of man, the restoration of justice to His universe. The father of the Prodigal waits for his son with open arms, as God the Father does for all of His wayward creation.
Why then the fallen angels are not forgiven?
 
Why then the fallen angels are not forgiven?
They are. But in Catholic teaching created beings play a role in their relationship with God. We can embrace or reject Him, we can embrace or reject grace:we can spurn His forgiveness, remaining at odds with Him.
 
We are expected to forgive even when someone hasn’t expressed remorse. But God only forgives when one is sorry for their sins. Aren’t we supposed to imitate God?

This leads to two possibilities:
  1. God forgives unrepentant sinners
    OR
  2. In imitation of our Lord, if someone isn’t sorry for wrongdoing, we need not forgive them.
This is something I struggle with myself.

We are taught God does not forgive the unrepentant, and it is true we are not God, but if someone makes if obvious they are not sorry are we entitled to withhold forgiveness until they are if this is what God would do?

I know my forgiveness has limitations. If someone harmed my children and were blatantly unrepentant I know I couldn’t forgive them.
 
We are expected to forgive even when someone hasn’t expressed remorse. But God only forgives when one is sorry for their sins. Aren’t we supposed to imitate God?

This leads to two possibilities:
  1. God forgives unrepentant sinners
    OR
  2. In imitation of our Lord, if someone isn’t sorry for wrongdoing, we need not forgive them.
We are not the one’s to judge a person’s remorse. Only God knows the heart of any of us. I can say I am sorry but not mean it. I can act unrepentant but within I really am, or someplace down pathway of my life I can become repentant. We are not called to assess a person’s regret or sorrow, only to forgive. The rest is in God’s hand.
 
God forgives continuously; Jesus forgave His persecutors from the cross. But the wildcard is us; God won’t force us to turn to Him, to change. Without a change of heart, without repentance, God’s forgiveness doesn’t effect the purpose it intends: the justification of man, the restoration of justice to His universe. The father of the Prodigal waits for his son with open arms, as God the Father does for all of His wayward creation.
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Jesus Is Nailed to a Cross:
Luke 23:32-35

32 Two criminals were led out to be put to death with Jesus. 33 When the soldiers came to the place called “The Skull,” they nailed Jesus to a cross. They also nailed the two criminals to crosses, one on each side of Jesus.

34-35 Jesus said, “Father, forgive these people! They don’t know what they’re doing.”
I would also like to share with you a little of what I have learn’t about forgiveness from the TV psychologist Dr Phil’s book ‘life code’ and from many other places.

I believe a wise man once said “Hating someone is like drinking a poison and expecting the other person to die.” and here is why -

I believe that If you feel hatred, anger or resentment, than you own those feelings and that is why there only is one thing worse than being hurt by someone and that is keeping that hurt alive, you have the ability to forgive those people who have mistreated you, not as a gift to them, but as a gift to yourself.

Forgiveness will set you free from pain others have caused you in your life, forgiveness will free you from the hatred anger or resentment that you choose to carry and I emphasise choose because I believe it is a choice to carry those feelings, something which I believe is unhealthy, as those feelings change who you are, your hatred, anger, and resentment are absolutely incompatible with your peace, joy, and relaxation.

To assume that you can turn your feelings of hate, anger or resentment on and off like a light switch is naïve, these feelings of bitterness and anger are such powerful influences that once they enter your heart, they are present in all of your relationships.

They truly do make you become a different person. Who you were goes away, and now you are defined by the hatred and bitterness. Ultimately, what makes these emotions so powerful is that they change who you are.

I believe There is something else you must consider: you cannot give away what you do not have.

You cannot give pure and accepting love from a pure and accepting heart if you have neither. That would mean giving away what you do not have. If the love in your heart is contaminated, if growing within it is the cancer of hatred, anger, and resentment, then that is the only love that you have to give.

If your heart has turned cold and hard because of hatred, anger, and resentment, then that is the heart from which all your emotions spring. That is the love and that is the heart that you have to offer your loved ones and fellow human beings. Hatred, anger, and resentment truly change who you are. They truly prevent you from being able to give to those you love that which you want them to have.

Many people say: “I can’t forgive because they aren’t sorry and they don’t deserve or even want my forgiveness.” If that’s the standard, there are many people in this world who, clearly, will never be entitled to forgiveness, however you do not realise that forgiveness is all about you, it’s all about the gift of freeing yourself from such ugly emotions, you didn’t do the crime, so why do the additional time?

It’s about you saying *"I will not bond with you through hatred, anger, or resentment. I will not bond with you through fear. I will not allow you to drag me into your dark world. By forgiving you, I am releasing me, not you. You must live with yourself every day. You must live with the darkness in your heart. But I do not, and I will not, You are the one who commited the crime, I don’t have to continue to suffer for it and I refuse to, by forgiving you I am releasing myself from that emotional prison you have locked me in, you cannot misstreat me and than continue hurting me through those feelings of hatred, anger or resentment, I make that choice, not you.” *

Take the power back from those who have hurt you, they don’t have the right to hurt you and than continue hurting you through those emotions of hatred, anger or resentment.

The Choice is, and always has been, all yours. The power of forgiveness is the power to set yourself free from the bonds of hatred, anger, and resentment. Seize the power and rise above the pain. You are worth it, and everyone you love deserves it.

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Christ told us that our Hearts are where our treasure is. *“Your heart will always be where your treasure is.” *Matthew 6:21. It’s a treasure that does not rust and cannot be stolen! It can only be thrown away, and we choose to throw it away when we harbor those ugly emotions of hatred anger, or resentment toward someone who has mistreated us, take the power back from those who have hurt you! take your treasure back! Forgiveness is a gift! reclaim your heart!

“Do not be conqured by evil, but conquer evil with good.” - Romans 12:21

I believe there is nothing to be gained by harboring emotions of hatred, anger or resentment toward someone … nothing but more pain and heartache on yourself.

Now when you think of the wrong doing, instead of emotions such as hatred, anger or resentment, these will instead be emotions of pity.

Pity means feeling for others, particularly feelings of sadness or sorrow towards someone, this I believe is what replaces those ugly emotions of hatred, anger and resentment towards someone, this is what forgiveness does, I believe you cannot become indifferent about such mistreatment, but you can remove those ugly emotions through forgiveness, forgiveness replaces those ugly emotions with pity, because I believe it doesn’t take much guess work to realise that those who have mistreated you are usually locked in their own emotional prison of hatred, anger and resentment themselves. Thus I believe it’s the old story of the hatred being passed on until the line is severed through forgiveness.

I would also like to share with you a true story I heard on the radio once and why I believe forgiveness doesn’t mean putting yourself in vulnerable situations though, as it says in the gospels “don’t give to dogs what belongs to God as they will only turn and attack you.” Matthew 7:6 and “I am sending you like lambs into a pack of wolves. So be as wise as snakes and as innocent as doves. 17 Watch out for people who will take you to court and have you beaten in their meeting places.” Matthew 10:16-17

There was a woman who was telling this story on the radio about how she was sexually abused by her father, when she grew up, she forgave her father, but she refused to learn from what had happened, being naive, she than left her son vulnerable to her father, in which the same thing ended up happening.

It’s a great tragedy that the daughter(mother) was abused by her father, but I believe it is an even greater tradgedy that the mother refused to learn from what had happened, who chose to be naive about her father, and thus irresponsibly left her son in such a vulnerable situation for the exact same thing to happen.

I believe you don’t judge people to be good or bad, you instead gather information about a person and make an informed decision. like Dr Phil say’s “I believe giving people the benefit of the doubt is reckless, not virtuous”

I would also like to share with you a list of quotes on forgiveness that I believe are very good.

“Whatever is begun in anger ends in shame.” - Ben Franklin

*“Do not commit the crime for which you now serve the sentence, God said, vengeance is mine." *

Forgiveness is a choice. Don’t wait for it to just wash over you all of a sudden. You have to choose it. - Dr Phil

Don’t give your power away. The pain of what happened is inevitable, but continuing to suffer is optional. The only person you can control is you. By constantly re-living the pain of what happened, you are giving your power away to the person who wronged you. - Dr Phil

Don’t cling to negative feelings. Anger is nothing more than an outward sign of hurt, fear, guilt, grief or frustration. While the pain may never completely disappear, forgiveness can help you release the anger and bring those in your life closer to you. - Dr Phil

There is no right timeline for recovery. For some people, making peace happens suddenly and spontaneously. For others, it takes time and effort. You may have to make a conscious choice every day to forgive. To say, “I’m letting this go. I’m not going to invest hatred, bitterness, anger, resentment in this person anymore.” You can find closure in forgiveness. - Dr Phil

You can’t change the things that happened in your life, but you can decide how you interpret and respond to them. If you didn’t receive support when you needed it, give it to yourself now. - Dr Phil

The stronger the emotions of hatred, anger or resentment, the greater the gifts that you will recieve when you let them go.

p.s. The Diary of St Faustina will help greatly in regards to those struggling with forgiveness I believe (thedivinemercy.org). I also believe that this short booklet on forgiveness is very good too if you are interested - Forgiveness - Frances Hogan

I hope all this has helped you

God Bless

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
Who is to know the mind of God and who is or is not forgiven. Surely the good thief did not ask specifically for forgiveness, he just acknowledged the justice of his sentence.He just asked to go to heaven. Jesus just promised him remission not only for his sins but the consequences of God’s justice as we would expect time in purgatory. That very day he was in heaven.
Likewise the woman caught in adultery. She did not specifically ask Christ for forgiveness, but was forgiven without further discussion.
These appear to be two cases at least where Christ forgave those who showed no outward sign of repentance.
Leave such decisions to our God and forgive our enemies as we ask to be judged in the Lord’s prayer.
 
We can’t read hearts and God does. Someone may be remorseful in their heart without outward signs we might see due to severe childhood abuse, torture or other circumstances.
Mary.
 
We are expected to forgive even when someone hasn’t expressed remorse. But God only forgives when one is sorry for their sins. Aren’t we supposed to imitate God?

This leads to two possibilities:
  1. God forgives unrepentant sinners
    OR
  2. In imitation of our Lord, if someone isn’t sorry for wrongdoing, we need not forgive them.
It seems you confuse forgiveness with acceptance (or something like that)

I can forgive my wife for divorcing me. That doesn’t mean she will come and live with me.
 
And why did Adam and Eve fall? Didn’t they want to look like God?
Yes, but fundamentally different. They did not know first hand what they were seeking. They also showed remorse.

The demons did not/have not. They are forgiven nonetheless, God holds no grudges, but the demons choose to remain divorced from God. Also, the consequence of their sin was permanent on them. They knew what they were doing and permanently chose to do it.
 
This is something I struggle with myself.

We are taught God does not forgive the unrepentant, and it is true we are not God, but if someone makes if obvious they are not sorry are we entitled to withhold forgiveness until they are if this is what God would do?

I know my forgiveness has limitations. If someone harmed my children and were blatantly unrepentant I know I couldn’t forgive them.
When we hold unforgiveness in our hearts, it blocks the Spirit of God working in us. We must leave the other person to the mercy of God and continue to walk in grace ourselves.

When we are unrepentant of sin, we block God’s grace just as unforgiveness blocks grace. In both cases, God is waiting behind a closed door waiting for us to open it. You know that holy picture of Jesus outside, knocking and wanting to come in?

You’re right, our ability to forgive is very limited. When something awful happens, all we can do is kneel before God and ask for the grace to forgive so that we can continue to do the work that God has assigned to us. Regardless if other people are doing what they should be doing, we know we will come before God and give an answer for our lives, and they will for their lives too.
 
We are expected to forgive even when someone hasn’t expressed remorse. But God only forgives when one is sorry for their sins. Aren’t we supposed to imitate God?

This leads to two possibilities:
  1. God forgives unrepentant sinners
    OR
  2. In imitation of our Lord, if someone isn’t sorry for wrongdoing, we need not forgive them.
But only God knows the heart of the sinner in question, and therefore only God can judge…you can count on his judgment being righteous and just, because he has access to the hearts of sinners. We do not, so there is a good possibility that our judgment is not just and righteous.
 
And why did Adam and Eve fall? Didn’t they want to look like God?
Yes, but *without *Him, apart from Whom we can do nothing (John 15:5). Here’s how the Catechism puts it:

398 In that sin man preferred himself to God and by that very act scorned him. He chose himself over and against God, against the requirements of his creaturely status and therefore against his own good. Constituted in a state of holiness, man was destined to be fully “divinized” by God in glory. Seduced by the devil, he wanted to “be like God”, but “without God, before God, and not in accordance with God”.279**
 
When we hold unforgiveness in our hearts, it blocks the Spirit of God working in us. We must leave the other person to the mercy of God and continue to walk in grace ourselves.

When we are unrepentant of sin, we block God’s grace just as unforgiveness blocks grace. In both cases, God is waiting behind a closed door waiting for us to open it. You know that holy picture of Jesus outside, knocking and wanting to come in?

You’re right, our ability to forgive is very limited. When something awful happens, all we can do is kneel before God and ask for the grace to forgive so that we can continue to do the work that God has assigned to us. Regardless if other people are doing what they should be doing, we know we will come before God and give an answer for our lives, and they will for their lives too.
👍 God always forgives but not everyone wants to be forgiven…
 
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