Why go to Heaven?

[Nihilist]

I’m sorry people. I’m really trying to understand but from what I’m getting is that our choice really doesn’t matter. But this can’t be true as God did put us here for a reason. If the answer is truly that we are to be loved as that fulfills us and makes us joyous then fine. But why did God create us then? Simply so that he could have something to love upon? But then that means he has to love, but since God is needless that cannot be true.

Basically if God is needless why is anything existent? Why not just God? Merely a way to show love?

Or did God in his goodness just decide to create beings which could experience joy?

Remember Psalm 102:
"They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:

But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end."

God alone really IS (esse ipsum). Everything, you and me, this world, is just passing shadows. God’s perfection is all there is. In the absolute context of God, nothing matters, nothing is real.

If God’s alone is perfect happiness- when our mortal forms cease to exist (they never really existed anyway), God’s perfect happiness will remain. Therefore, you are getting close to the Truth. To realise our own nothingness, the nothingness of the Universe, and that God is all in all, this is happiness. Many saints who write about contemplation say the no longer care about this world, nor even Heaven, as long as they recognise and contemplate God alone. As long as you focus on nothing but God, you are already in Heaven (although this is difficult to do while you have a body).

“Eternal life is this- to know the one true God.” (Jn 17:13)

 

[Amandil]

Remember Psalm 102:
"They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:

But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end."

God alone really IS (esse ipsum). Everything, you and me, this world, is just passing shadows. God’s perfection is all there is. In the absolute context of God, nothing matters, nothing is real.

If God’s alone is perfect happiness- when our mortal forms cease to exist (they never really existed anyway), God’s perfect happiness will remain. Therefore, you are getting close to the Truth. To realise our own nothingness, the nothingness of the Universe, and that God is all in all, this is happiness. Many saints who write about contemplation say the no longer care about this world, nor even Heaven, as long as they recognise and contemplate God alone. As long as you focus on nothing but God, you are already in Heaven (although this is difficult to do while you have a body).

“Eternal life is this- to know the one true God.” (Jn 17:13)

You really ought to be careful because this at the least sounds terribly heterodox in the pantheistic sense.

We do in fact have a distinct individuality that is purposefully created by God and which will be fully realized in the consummation of all things. This individuality will be made manifest when we are resurrected with our bodies.

 

[Amandil]

To answer the question you want to go to heaven to be who you were meant to be from all eternity.

 

[Neoplatonist]

To answer the question you want to go to heaven to be who you were meant to be from all eternity.

LOL! Re: “Location: Gondor”

 

[Neoplatonist]

That contradicts what we mean by loving someone. If we love them and they are unfulfilled, how is it that we can be perfectly happy? If I love my wife or daughter, but their unhappiness does not phase me one iota, then we need some new term to call that other than love.

If he was perfectly fulfilled, then why suffer on the cross to fix things for us?

Was He still perfectly fulfilled even while suffering on the cross? ?!]

If being perfectly fulfilled means I am not moved to unhappiness by the suffering of others, then I guess I’d rather stay here and keep helping than go off to Heaven and sit around in a state of contentment. Not trying to be provocative, I really mean it.

What if the whole world broke down and everyone now living chose the path of darkness and blasphemy - if all of humanity went to Hell, would God still be unmoved and perfectly fulfilled?