To Penitant man Part 2
you quoted me: Quote:
You, sir, have committed a great sin with your slander and unless you repent, you, and all who you claim to love, will suffer the consequences of your arrogant ignorance.
He he, I gotta flag this one….How you arrive at this conclusion…how do you know that all whom I claim to love will suffer with me? Is it because the bible says so, and it shows true in your theology that the children suffer for the parent’s mistakes? (as in adam and eve)
Not just as in Adam and Eve. Look around you. The conclusions are well established. What you do directly affects those you love. Emotionally, physically, spiritually, and mentally. You know this. Theology agrees with it because God designed it to be so. To what extent they suffer will be determined by how much damage you do and how much God is able to deflect it while working around His own laws.
In the end, God’s main concern is their eternity. A loving Father will sacrifice the natural things if it will help accomplish eternity for that child. The natural body is a means by which the devil ensnares us but God, in His great wisdom, can use all the bad that the enemy places upon humans through their sin, and use it for their salvation in the end. Isn’t that what you would do? Wouldn’t their eternity be your ultimate concern? Seeing as then, you will be able to bestow them with a new and perfect body for all eternity? A short time of suffering placed upon humans by the decisions of sin are always utilized by God to accomplish eternity for them.
you said:
Or alternatively, you could be wrong, also because the bible says (and your theology teaches) that if people who hasn’t heard the word of god dies, they still have a chance at heaven.
There’s a bit of an inconsistency there, no?
No, there is no inconsistancy. Do you not realize that there is a natural and a spiritual? That is why there were two deaths that took place. The physical death, and the spiritual. Man is made of both. If you haven’t heard the word of God (which you have) then your sin is in ignorance and you will be judged by your conscience if you are of age. By what you understand of right and wrong. Theology teaches this and it is just and righteous. So, while you may reap upon your family the seeds of destruction, God can, will and does, use it to bring salvation.
Think of this example. If you smoke cigarettes and do not know that they kill, you are sinning in ignorance. You will reap the physical benefits of smoking but God will not judge it as a sin if you were not aware of it being wrong. But sins of ignorance are not completely penalty free. The law is you reap what you sow. When done in ignorance your flesh is what pays, but your spirit is not held accountable. In other words, you will still get asthma, cancer, or whatever else comes with smoking, but God will not judge it as sin. For sin is to know what is right and not doing it.
That is why God went through such great lengths to give so many laws. The laws were for their protection. As long as they followed them they remained whole and safe. But even if the smallest one was broken, it had to be atoned for, ignorance or not, because sins of ignorance, as I have pointed out above, hurt us physically. God doesn’t want us hurt in any way. You probably thought He was just being strict and severe out of cruelty. You would be wrong. He was very strict and severe because He loved His children with a great passion. That’s all He ever wanted to do, ever did, and ever will.
you quoted me: Quote:
And how could you possibly know this? Did you know that God has always wanted to protect His people and did in the old testament even after the fall? No disease, no deformities, no form of harm befell His people when they remained faithful to Him.
you responded:
So, what you are saying is that all isrealites and by extension all faithful Christians are free from disease and deformities? I’d say check your facts.
Open up your ears to understanding God. Undo your decision that He is a cruel and unjust God and consider perhaps that you may have missed some important truths concerning Him. You have made some harsh accusations against the Creator of Heaven and Earth and I think it’s only fair that you keep an open mind to the explanations I have concerning life and its great complexitities.
I never said that we are free from disease or deformities. Check what I said. I said, as long as they remained conformed completely to His will, they were without disease and deformity. I can assure you that I am not completely conformed to His will in many areas and I’m sure you could admit as much as well. And yet His grace extends to me beyond my fair share as does His to you whether you agree or not.
I often wonder how more horrors do not fill my life given the condition of my heart and the state of my soul. In all fairness, I should suffer so much more things. I do not always see His hand of mercy that stays the enemies desires and attempts upon my life and the lives of those I love. For in all fairness if every sin demands atonement, we should have so much more harm than we have. But this is God’s longsuffering, kindness and gentleness. In this light I give my defense of Him. The only way He can be found to be unfair is in His mercy and forgiveness. He gives us more than we deserve.
