Why God is not only the creator?

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Energy, unstable or otherwise, is changing.
No, any stable thing doesn’t have any tendency for change.
If unstable energy is a necessary act of existence, then it is always changing.
Things are constantly changing as we can justify it from observing reality. Unstable energy just existed at the initial point.
It does not have a beginning or starting point. The same logical implications apply.
Existence has a beginning and it is subject to change as time dictates.
 
Existence has a beginning and it is subject to change as time dictates.
Out of nothing comes nothing, so how can existence have a beginning?

Let me guess your answer, “time transcends existence”.:rolleyes:

You are just making it up as you go along.
 
Then it is not a necessary being…
It is necessary if things are subject to change. The idea of an unchanging being or thing is self-contradictory. Everything has to have a beginning because time is real, you cannot deny it and cannot be created. I already argue in favor of the fact that time cannot be created. I am waiting for your rebuttal.
Just because you can think of something does not mean that it is not contradictory.
We know that time is necessary since it cannot be created.
If you agree that there is never a point in its necessary existence where it is not changing, then you cannot say that change has a beginning. Its a contradiction.
That is not correct. You just need to imagine the beginning of time and the burst at the same point.
 
You are either not listening to what people are saying or you do not comprehend it. Your idea of a necessary being is self-contradictory and i have shown you why.
You haven’t shown that what is wrong with my argument in favor of necessity of time and the fact that it cannot be created.
As far as science is concerned, physical beings have to change in order to cause something. This is true. Time refers to what physical beings are doing. Time does not exist separately from what physical beings are actually doing. Time is not ontologically distinct from what objects are doing…
Time in simple word allows causality to be real.
Your rebuttal amounts to, well this cannot be the case because then my argument is false. But it really does not matter because your conception of an ontologically necessary time is false to begin with.
Time cannot be created. Where your counter argument?
 
Out of nothing comes nothing, so how can existence have a beginning?
You cannot have nothing since time cannot be created. Time cannot be eternal so it has a beginning.
Let me guess your answer, “time transcends existence”.:rolleyes:
Well, there should be a way out of this puzzle: Time allows causality to be real. Time is changing. You need time if the changing in time has a cause in another word the change was the result of potentiality into actuality. This leads to infinite regress. The only way that I see to resolve the paradox is to accept the fact that changes in time is not result of an potentiality into actuality. What is your solution?
You are just making it up as you go along.
Lets see what is your answer to the puzzle.
 
You cannot have nothing since time cannot be created. Time cannot be eternal so it has a beginning.
Contradiction.
Well, there should be a way out of this puzzle: Time allows causality to be real. Time is changing. You need time if the changing in time has a cause in another word the change was the result of potentiality into actuality. This leads to infinite regress. The only way that I see to resolve the paradox is to accept the fact that changes in time is not result of an potentiality into actuality. What is your solution?
My solution? Refrain from posting irrational comments and stop making things up…

Your concept of time is meaningless.
 
And yet it produced this orderly universe with all the laws of physics and all the incredible variety of phenomena that interact in such intricate patterns and relationships. How can a clutch of unstable energy be responsible for all this?
Argument from incredulity fallacy.
 
You cannot simply say a contradiction and let it go. You need a counter argument for my argument…
I already did. You are not interested in logic. You are interested in your theory being correct, but it’s so irrational it couldn’t possibly be correct. You are redefining things and making things up to suit your idea. You have reduced the concept of time to a meaningless place holder on which you assert the rest of your argument. How can anyone reason against that?

I only hope that others are not so naive as to be fooled by what your saying.
 
How could it be a moment in time if time didn’t exist yet ?
Time is the measure of change in the physical world.
When what is posited to exist is measurable in physical terms, then time necessarily exists.
 
I already did. You are not interested in logic. You are interested in your theory being correct, but it’s so irrational it couldn’t possibly be correct. You are redefining things and making things up to suit your idea. You have reduced the concept of time to a meaningless place holder on which you assert the rest of your argument. How can anyone reason against that?
The concept of time is meaningful in my understanding. Time is fundamental variable which dictates how fabric of the universe should change. It allows change or causality. So everything is clear by now. Let me know if you think otherwise.

Moreover I already made an argument that time cannot be created. I repeat the argument for your convenience: Time is the fundamental variable of any dynamical theory therefore it cannot be an emergent phenomena of the same theory. This means that there exist not a dynamical theory with time as an emergent phenomena. Therefore time cannot be initiated or created. Time just has a beginning/starting point. Could you please tell that what is wrong with this argument? You cannot just let things go without any counter-argument.
I only hope that others are not so naive as to be fooled by what your saying.
You don’t need to worry about others.
 
Change allows physical causality to exist and time is the word we use to describe change.
That is not correct. Change is the result of causality and we have evidence for that. Time does not describe change but it allows us to have a rate in which things change in term of time, like velocity.
 
Why the first uncaused-cause cannot be a form of unstable energy (inflation theory) which existed before Big Bang? Why do we need all other extra attributes like omniscience, omnipresent,etc assigned to a being so called God? Isn’t the minimal model the best?
I am happy to see that there is, at last an implicit, acknowledgement that something cannot come from nothing.

That’s intellectually honest and I applaud this! 👍
 
You cannot have nothing since time cannot be created. Time cannot be eternal so it has a beginning.
If time cannot be eternal then it must have had a beginning. If time had a beginning then it must have been created. But you say both that time cannot be created and that time cannot be eternal. You contradict yourself.
 
Contradiction.

My solution? Refrain from posting irrational comments and stop making things up…

Your concept of time is meaningless.
You cannot simply say a contradiction and let it go. You need a counter argument for my argument.
The retort that your argument is a contradiction is a counter argument.
 
If time cannot be eternal then it must have had a beginning.
Yes.
If time had a beginning then it must have been created.
Why? It just has a beginning, starting point. I have an argument that prove that time cannot be created: Time is the fundamental variable of any theory and cannot be an emergent property of the same theory. This means that there exist not a theory with time as an emergent phenomena. Therefore time cannot be created or initiated.
But you say both that time cannot be created and that time cannot be eternal. You contradict yourself.
I don’t think so. 🙂
 
Why? It just has a beginning, starting point. I have an argument that prove that time cannot be created: Time is the fundamental variable of any theory and cannot be an emergent property of the same theory. This means that there exist not a theory with time as an emergent phenomena. Therefore time cannot be created or initiated.
If time isn’t simply a measure of change, but instead is absolutely distinct from space and matter, existing of its own accord with its own being, then how come science does not know of its existence? You are the first scientist i have ever come across that has said time is the ontological cause of physical change and is in fact the foundation and cause of the universe.?
 
If time isn’t simply a measure of change, but instead is absolutely distinct from space and matter, existing of its own accord with its own being, then how come science does not know of its existence?
Science is also about how things changes by time. It tells you why things are the way they are too.
You are the first scientist i have ever come across that has said time is the ontological cause of physical change
Yes. The change is allowed because time exists. We only experience motion though, motion doesn’t ontologically exist.
and is in fact the foundation and cause of the universe.?
I didn’t say so. The unstable stuff was just there at the beginning of time. It moved because it was unstable. You don’t need a mover.
 
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