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Bahman
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Why God who is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent should need a messenger to tell the truth? Just speak out!
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peter26
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Sometimes he did just that. To Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, or to Moses when He gave him the law.
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Bahman
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Why sometimes and why just to few people?Sometimes he did just that. To Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, or to Moses when He gave him the law.
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peter26
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Presumably a matter of emphasising the significance of what was occurring. The giving of the law to Moses is a good example. If Moses had just turned up one day and starting telling people what to do, who would have listened? but he had the word of God carved in stone, and we still take those commandments seriously 4,000 years later.
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Bahman
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I don’t think that you got what I meant. Why God should stay in dark side and choose only one person and leave others in state of doubt on his existence?Presumably a matter of emphasising the significance of what was occurring. The giving of the law to Moses is a good example. If Moses had just turned up one day and starting telling people what to do, who would have listened? but he had the word of God carved in stone, and we still take those commandments seriously 4,000 years later.
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jmcrae
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God isn’t hiding - it is we who are blind and deaf, and cannot see or hear Him - this comes about because of the sins of our ancestor Adam, who damaged the Creation in some fundamental way because of his disobedience, and hid himself from God out of shame. Thus, God comes to us through messengers, rather than directly.I don’t think that you got what I meant. Why God should stay in dark side and choose only one person and leave others in state of doubt on his existence?
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mamlukman
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If God revealed Himself as God, everyone would be forced to believe in Him. That would be the end of free will.
If God reveals Himself through a messenger, the messenger speaks in the language (in the widest sense) of men. And a messenger–even Jesus–can be ignored. Free will is kept intact.
If God reveals Himself through a messenger, the messenger speaks in the language (in the widest sense) of men. And a messenger–even Jesus–can be ignored. Free will is kept intact.
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jmcrae
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I’m not sure that it would be, necessarily. After all, Adam and Eve had free will, and were without sin or even the effects of sin. They saw God face to face, and yet were able to choose to commit sin.If God revealed Himself as God, everyone would be forced to believe in Him. That would be the end of free will.
I also don’t think God is purposely hiding Himself from us - I really think it is a matter of the fact that we simply are too darkened to be able to see Him for ourselves.
God sends a messenger for the same reasons we use different forms of communication for those who are blind and/or deaf. We have and will always have free will, even if we could perceive God directly. Moses could perceive God directly, yet retained his free will.If God reveals Himself through a messenger, the messenger speaks in the language (in the widest sense) of men. And a messenger–even Jesus–can be ignored. Free will is kept intact.
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Dorothy
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The Messenger, is God, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity!Why God who is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent should need a messenger to tell the truth? Just speak out!
God could not have done it in a more loving way!
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ProdglArchitect
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I think this is probably the best possible analogy for the “why.” People who are blind to God would be blind to Him no matter how apparent He made Himself. Sometimes, in order to make a person see God, He has to use someone those people will see.God sends a messenger for the same reasons we use different forms of communication for those who are blind and/or deaf. We have and will always have free will, even if we could perceive God directly. Moses could perceive God directly, yet retained his free will.
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Bahman
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I am afraid that you logic does cut since all prophets were apparently sinner too.God isn’t hiding - it is we who are blind and deaf, and cannot see or hear Him - this comes about because of the sins of our ancestor Adam, who damaged the Creation in some fundamental way because of his disobedience, and hid himself from God out of shame. Thus, God comes to us through messengers, rather than directly.
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Bahman
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Why choose to be like human? You cannot possibly be omnipresent when you incarnate as human being hence the purpose could not be fulfilled.The Messenger, is God, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity!
God could not have done it in a more loving way!
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Dorothy
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All things are possible with God who is Infinitely perfect. He chose to be human because He is Infinite Love. Our Lord Jesus Christ is 100% human and 100% divine.Why choose to be like human? You cannot possibly be omnipresent when you incarnate as human being hence the purpose could not be fulfilled.
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Dorothy
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Yes!I think this is probably the best possible analogy for the “why.” People who are blind to God would be blind to Him no matter how apparent He made Himself. Sometimes, in order to make a person see God, He has to use someone those people will see.
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Bahman
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You cannot be omnipresent when you have human nature.All things are possible with God who is Infinitely perfect. He chose to be human because He is Infinite Love. Our Lord Jesus Christ is 100% human and 100% divine.
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Dorothy
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Explaining to your satisfaction is not possible for me. It is possible for the Holy Spirit.You cannot be omnipresent when you have human nature.
Those who sincerely pray for faith will get it.
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ProdglArchitect
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Says who? We’re not omniscient, sure; but then, I’m also not a redhead. That doesn’t mean there are no redheads.You cannot be omnipresent when you have human nature.
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seagal
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Only Jesus, the second person of the Trinity, became incarnate, and in his human nature he was not omnipresent. God the Father and God the Holy Spirit were not and never were incarnate and so they were always omnipresent. Since his resurrection Jesus is now in his glorified body in heaven. Heaven is outside of our time and space so he is now omnipresent (as I understand it).You cannot be omnipresent when you have human nature.
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Bahman
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So Jesus was not God anymore when he incarnated as a human. Moreover, he has a body now which means he still is not omnipresent. Living in Heaven does not resolve the problem once you have a body.Only Jesus, the second person of the Trinity, became incarnate, and in his human nature he was not omnipresent. God the Father and God the Holy Spirit were not and never were incarnate and so they were always omnipresent. Since his resurrection Jesus is now in his glorified body in heaven. Heaven is outside of our time and space so he is now omnipresent (as I understand it).
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seagal
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No, you misunderstand. Jesus “took on flesh and dwelt among us” but he is still God.So Jesus was not God anymore when he incarnated as a human. Moreover, he has a body now which means he still is not omnipresent. Living in Heaven does not resolve the problem once you have a body.
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