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Bahman
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How he could be God when he lose one important attribute so called omnipresent?
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BChartowski
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If I may, I’d like to pose a question. If you were to see God in His unbridled Divine nature, what do you think would happen to you? What is your idea of the outcome of such a meeting?
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jmcrae
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God is God; he doesn’t need attributes. Just as you will always be you, regardless of your abilities or outward appearances. When Jesus became a helpless infant He didn’t lose His divinity, but He did give up His power, temporarily.
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BChartowski
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For a time, God chose to confine Himself to our limited nature. It was His choice. Can you possibly relate to someone who is omnipresent? Doubtful. We are very limited in our nature, and - naturally - we simply lack the power to understand existence without limits - omnipresence. We cannot understand it as our limits are, obviously, the barriers to that understanding. If we are to fully relate to Jesus, Jesus had to be fully one of us, it does not change the nature of God, merely the means through which we are able to relate to Him within His chosen human nature.
Edit: You beat me to it, haha.
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Bahman
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God has attributes so called, omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent. And Jesus has a body now in Heaven? Hasn’t him?
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Bahman
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It is in fact very simple to understand. You cannot be omnipresent when you have a body.
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seagal
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Jesus did not cease being God when he became man. He had both the nature of God and the nature of man, what Catholics call hypostatic union. I’m not a theologian so I doubt I can explain it to your satisfaction. You can read it in the Catechism or google it to find more articles about it.
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Peter_Plato
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Could God the Second Person of the Trinity CHOOSE not to be omnipresent while he had a body on earth?
That need not mean God by nature is not omnipresent or was not when Jesus walked the earth.
It also does not mean God the Son could not be omnipresent and have a fully glorified human body. God is, after all, eternal; which means he is not restricted by time. He is outside of any temporal or physical restrictions whatsoever.
Yet, you keep wanting to set temporal and physical limitations on God as if you fully comprehend what it means to be God in the first place.
You seem to have all kinds of ideas about what God could or could not do. Why is God restricted by your notions about God as if your opinions are the final say on the matter?
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BChartowski
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This is what I mean when I say it is a limitation of our understanding. You’re imposing your own limitations upon God, within whom there exists no limitations. It’s natural to do this; we all do it. Because our understanding has limits upon it, we can only form ideas of something limitless that is confined within our own limitations.
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tifischer
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God has spoken out to you because He loves you beyond measure. However, He uses all the beautiful colors of the rainbow in His master piece mural of salvation. And what stroke do we represent? Well, how many of us love all of God’s children as though Jesus suffered and died so that we would? While we call out to him “Just speak out!”, he in his infinite wisdom and love calls to us in His crucifixion bearing our punishment for our sins, “Just love!”.
God does speak to only the Holy chosen people in the Old Testament as a symbol of the fall of man from the sin of Adam and Eve. However, when Jesus came He changed that so that anyone may be made Holy through Jesus Christ and now it is through the Holy Spirit of Jesus that God the Father speaks to us. Personally I believe that God being all knowing and all powerful, breathing creation, He enjoys the beauty of creation of a spiritual world of Heavenly hosts because for one it tells His children that there really is a Spiritual world for His Holy people and that He may intercede through the Spiritual world and also, would you expect a genius to do the minimal or the above and beyond?
I find intercession through the spiritual world fascinating because it is proof that God in Spirit may transcend the Spiritual world entering into the physical world. Allowing us to open our minds to the greatness of His power…not just that miracles happen in the physical realm, not just psychosomatic medicine but that God intercedes directly through the spiritual world into the physical world. Anyone who can believe that, can believe that God may change a mere piece of bread into the Body of Christ or a sinner into a saint.
You are asking a wonderful question greater even than to explore the minds of all geniuses ever at the same time in one sentence when you wonder why does God do what he does…a humbling question for any one genius reminds us that we must trust in God. Recently my son lost his ping pong stand (no-doubt my fault, God have mercy I have no idea where I put it). He could have come to me and told me straight up that he wanted a new ping pong set because someone lost or broke his ping pong stand. Instead I walked into his room to find that while I had forgotten all about the missing pieces he had in the meantime created his own ping pong stand out of legos and with a smile invited everyone to play ping pong with him. I realize that I am much more intrigued to play now that I see the creativity and enjoyment of this little creation. So, I wonder if God may give this little boy such enjoyment out of creating a ping pong stand how much more enjoyment must God find in all His beautiful creation including His heavenly Hosts and the gift of salvation that He shares with us.
Isaiah 53:5,John 19 and before reading “it is finished” contemplating Psalm 22 I find the most touching he says “my heart is like wax; it is melted within my breast;…” and then “…May your hearts live for ever!”…Just love…He suffered and died that we (loving) may live forever. Our Father… the name of God the Father, Jesus the son and the Holy Spirit, Amen.
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BChartowski
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You said it much, much better than I did. Thank you.
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Peter_Plato
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You cannot be omnipresent when you have a body.
Let’s call this Bahman’s First Rule of Omnipresence.
It is very simple to understand.
Bahman would know what omnipresence entails and what is possible for God because…
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Well… okay… the “rule” is not really a rule, after all.
A “guess,” more like.
Well… alright… sheer ungrounded conjecture.
A “stab in the dark,” really.
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Peter_Plato
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jmcrae
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God is God regardless of attributes.
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seagal
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I think to be fair we’ll have to give Bahman 1/2 a point for this. The catechism paragraph [476](javascriptYou cannot be omnipresent when you have a body.
Let’s call this Bahman’s First Rule of Omnipresence.
It is very simple to understand.
Bahman would know what omnipresence entails and what is possible for God because…
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Well… okay… the “rule” is not really a rule, after all.
A “guess,” more like.
Well… alright… sheer ungrounded conjecture.
A “stab in the dark,” really.
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says “Since the Word became flesh in assuming a true humanity, Christ’s body was finite.” I’ll go out on a limb and say that probably during his time on earth he didn’t bilocate.
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jmcrae
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This fact did not rob him of his divinity, however.I think to be fair we’ll have to give Bahman 1/2 a point for this. The catechism paragraph [476](javascript
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seagal
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I know, that’s the part Bahman apparently doesn’t get.
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987mk
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No.
If a new born baby dies at birth, said baby will have never heard the good news.
If a boy was born in India, raised as a Hindu and dies as a devout Hindu, he will have never heard the good news.
If a girl was raised as an Atheist and died before hearing the good news…
Gods master plan is positively weak at spreading the word to all of humanity.
In my examples, no one was blind, rather Gods message failed to reach them.
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tifischer
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I am surprised at the comments that you made and would like to encourage a Bible study, to talk to a priest or watch EWTN Catechism. 1) Jesus saved everyone who believed or was waiting for the Christ but had already died but never knew the good news. 2) The Catechism of the Church teaches that God’s grace is so bountiful that a baby who dies at birth will still go to heaven 3) The Catechism of the Church teaches that if someone never hears of Jesus they may still go to heaven
The next point is that the blind being referred to here are those who see or revealed the good news but do not choose to believe…not people who see perfectly but were never shown, for them we trust in God’s mercy.
God created strength, there is nothing about Him that is weak. It is we who are weak in giving into temptation to sin. God have mercy, amen.
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Bahman
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I am not sure because it is like giving up his divinity since you cannot be omnipresent while you have a body, whether earthy or glorified.
You cannot by nature be omnipresent and has a body.
He of course had temporal and physical restriction otherwise he could not be crucified.
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Please read previous comment.
Because of simple reason, you cannot be omnipresent and embedded into a body at the same time.
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