Why human soul is immortal?

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Vico:
The question of why is answered with metaphysics not physics.
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Why electron has the charge?
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No, science is observational, it can describe a charged particle but does not explain why it exists. Metaphysics is three areas:
  • Ontology Being and Existence
  • Natural Theology God
  • Universal Science Logic and Reasoning.
Twentieth Century Metaphysics is Physicalism which presents matter and mind as mere aspects of each other, or derivatives of a neutral substance.
 
Vico said:
No, science is observational, it can describe a charged particle but does not explain why it exists. Metaphysics is three areas:
  • Ontology Being and Existence
  • Natural Theology God
  • Universal Science Logic and Reasoning.
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I heard about that. Why anything exist?
Vico said:
Twentieth Century Metaphysics is Physicalism which presents matter and mind as mere aspects of each other, or derivatives of a neutral substance.
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I don’t believe so.
 
STT said:
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Vico:
No, science is observational, it can describe a charged particle but does not explain why it exists. Metaphysics is three areas:
  • Ontology Being and Existence
  • Natural Theology God
  • Universal Science Logic and Reasoning.
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I heard about that. Why anything exist?
Vico said:
Twentieth Century Metaphysics is Physicalism which presents matter and mind as mere aspects of each other, or derivatives of a neutral substance.
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I don’t believe so.
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Yes, Metaphysics does deal with existence.

You means that you do not believe in Physicalism?
 
So the form is the source of causality in thing?
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Yes it is one of four causes according to Aristotle.

Philosophy is not really something that can be self taught.
Perhaps do a paper or two at Uni and enter into dialogue with your tutors and professors for the fine points.
 
Sophie111 said:
Yes it is one of four causes according to Aristotle.

Philosophy is not really something that can be self taught.
Perhaps do a paper or two at Uni and enter into dialogue with your tutors and professors for the fine points.
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I see. How then he reconcile the idea of soul in something which has parts. Aristotle didn’t believe in atoms. How about Aquinas?
 
STT said:
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Sophie111:
Yes it is one of four causes according to Aristotle.

Philosophy is not really something that can be self taught.
Perhaps do a paper or two at Uni and enter into dialogue with your tutors and professors for the fine points.
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I see. How then he reconcile the idea of soul in something which has parts. Aristotle didn’t believe in atoms. How about Aquinas?
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Perhaps do a paper or two at Uni and enter into dialogue with your tutors and professors for the fine points.
 
Sophie111 said:
Perhaps do a paper or two at Uni and enter into dialogue with your tutors and professors for the fine points.
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I don’t have access to a university which discuss these. It would be nice of you if you could elaborate.
 
If you are happy to pay me for my dedicated personal tutoring time to you sure.
PM me and I will send you my account details 😀.
 
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STT said:
What is the act of being in a person? You are personifying this in case of God. So I completely understood you well.
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The act-of-being in a created person such as a human being or angel is that by which the person is or exists and without which they would not be (exist). Being or the act-of-being underlies everything that is. Created natures or essences of which some are persons are not the same thing as esse (latin, to be, we can use existence or to exist for our purposes here but philosophically speaking it is not entirely accurate). Plants, animals, and rocks exist but they are not persons. Being or existence is a real feature or reality of existing things and not just something made up or that exists only in the mind. Without the act-of-being (or existence) nothing would exist. Aquinas said “Existence ( ipsum esse - act-of-being itself) is the most perfect of all things, for it is compared to all things as that by which they are made actual; for nothing has actuality except so far as it exists. Hence existence is that which actuates all things, even their forms” (ST, Part I, Q. 4, art. 1, reply to objection 3).

A person is traditionally defined as an individual substance of a rational nature. A person and being are two different ideas so in this sense being does not mean person in the same way intellect does not mean will. We have different definitions of these words. God is both a person, or rather 3 persons, with intellect and will and He exists. But, due to God’s infinitely simple nature, his act-of-being or existence is not distinct from his intellect or will or Him being a person like it is in humans and angels or any creature. God’s existence is His person and His person is his existence. They are distinct in us and we can only understand these words or ideas distinctly. God’s act-of-being or existence, his essence, him being a person are fused as it were into one reality but human language falls short of a concept or word to express it. In the same way, God has both an intellect and a will but the intellect and will have different operations or ends such that the object of the intellect is the true and the object of the will is the good. The intellect and will are distinct spiritual powers in humans and angels. In God, intellect and will are actually one and the same thing, his intellect is his will and his will is his intellect.
 
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STT said:
So, how do explain all these phenomena? They are physical since they are affected by physical.
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I think I already did. All these ‘physical’ phenomena are effected through the body and the lower interior sense powers of the soul which only function through the body or some organ of the body. These phenomena may and do at times affect the operation of the intellect not directly by ‘physical’ contact but indirectly as it were because the intellect is a spiritual power, i.e., it does not operate by the firing of neurons, atoms, electromagnetism, or any of the sort, these things pertain to the interior and exterior sense powers of the soul which operate in conjunction with the body and various organs. But the human soul is the form of the body and so the spiritual intellect and will are in close proximity as it were to what is going on in the body and what is being produced and effected by the interior and exterior sense powers. And, in this life, the nature of the human intellect is such that it must turn to the phantasms produced by the interior sense powers for its knowledge and proper operation. For example, the intellect of a person born blind has no knowledge of color or at least what it looks like.
 
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The human soul does not decay.

It is like a glass full of water; at death, the glass is emptied. The flesh decays, and only a ghost is left. At the reserection, glass is refilled, and our flesh is restored and glorified.
 
Unfortunately that cannot be proven - which is probably quite pertinent in a Philosophy forum.
Even Aristotle, who invented the type of “soul talk” the Church has adopted, did not actually hold this according to the scholars. The Church (ie Aquinas) simply extended his very few and ambiguous side notes and assumed that he did.
 
STT said:
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I am aware of what you believe but that is not an answer to my question.
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Well it is an answer to your question. Maybe you should phrase your question more specifically!
 
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Richca said:
The act-of-being in a created person such as a human being or angel is that by which the person is or exists and without which they would not be (exist).
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There is no a thing, act-of-being, as you defined. You either exist or exist not. Existence is the essence of mind. You are mind.
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Being or the act-of-being underlies everything that is. Created natures or essences of which some are persons are not the same thing as esse (latin, to be, we can use existence or to exist for our purposes here but philosophically speaking it is not entirely accurate). Plants, animals, and rocks exist but they are not persons. Being or existence is a real feature or reality of existing things and not just something made up or that exists only in the mind. Without the act-of-being (or existence) nothing would exist. Aquinas said “Existence ( ipsum esse - act-of-being itself) is the most perfect of all things, for it is compared to all things as that by which they are made actual; for nothing has actuality except so far as it exists. Hence existence is that which actuates all things, even their forms” (ST, Part I, Q. 4, art. 1, reply to objection 3).

A person is traditionally defined as an individual substance of a rational nature. A person and being are two different ideas so in this sense being does not mean person in the same way intellect does not mean will. We have different definitions of these words. God is both a person, or rather 3 persons, with intellect and will and He exists. But, due to God’s infinitely simple nature, his act-of-being or existence is not distinct from his intellect or will or Him being a person like it is in humans and angels or any creature. God’s existence is His person and His person is his existence. They are distinct in us and we can only understand these words or ideas distinctly. God’s act-of-being or existence, his essence, him being a person are fused as it were into one reality but human language falls short of a concept or word to express it. In the same way, God has both an intellect and a will but the intellect and will have different operations or ends such that the object of the intellect is the true and the object of the will is the good. The intellect and will are distinct spiritual powers in humans and angels. In God, intellect and will are actually one and the same thing, his intellect is his will and his will is his intellect.
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I am familiar with the rest.
 
Richca said:
I think I already did. All these ‘physical’ phenomena are effected through the body and the lower interior sense powers of the soul which only function through the body or some organ of the body. These phenomena may and do at times affect the operation of the intellect not directly by ‘physical’ contact but indirectly as it were because the intellect is a spiritual power, i.e., it does not operate by the firing of neurons, atoms, electromagnetism, or any of the sort, these things pertain to the interior and exterior sense powers of the soul which operate in conjunction with the body and various organs. But the human soul is the form of the body and so the spiritual intellect and will are in close proximity as it were to what is going on in the body and what is being produced and effected by the interior and exterior sense powers. And, in this life, the nature of the human intellect is such that it must turn to the phantasms produced by the interior sense powers for its knowledge and proper operation. For example, the intellect of a person born blind has no knowledge of color or at least what it looks like.
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How do you related a non-physical being to non-physical?
 
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