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mjdonnelly
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Their argument becomes illogical when there are alternative sources of meat. Those sources have a better taste and are probably better for you.
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tru_dvotion
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Correct me if I am mistaken… but when I red Karl Keating’s concern for the welfare of plants, I was under the distinct impression it was a tongue and cheek response to this topic. I am amazed to see people are actually debating the ins and outs of plant life now… I think this topic is becoming borderline ridiculous.
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cestusdei
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I have no problem with people who choose not to eat meat. But many vegans want to choose for me. They want to force people to not eat meat. PETA at times has bordered on being a terrorist organization. ALF is a terrorist organization. They don’t care about aborted children, but don’t dare abort a snail darter. Also PETA has used images of Jesus in a sacrilegious way. They have no respect for our faith. Some vegans make it virtually a cult and viciously attack those who eat meat.
There is nothing wrong with eating meat. It is not a sin. Jesus ate meat. No need to feel guilty. Animals are not human. They have no God-given rights. They exist for our use and nourishment. So if you want to eat meat do so and don’t apologize for it.
There is nothing wrong with eating meat. It is not a sin. Jesus ate meat. No need to feel guilty. Animals are not human. They have no God-given rights. They exist for our use and nourishment. So if you want to eat meat do so and don’t apologize for it.
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Khoria_Anna
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Karl Keating:
We shall see Karlie no more
For what he thought was H20
Was H2SO4
(with apologies to L’il Willie)
Poor little Karlie,
We shall see Karlie no more
For what he thought was H20
Was H2SO4
(with apologies to L’il Willie)
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tru_dvotion
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H2SO4= hydrochloric acid
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Khoria_Anna
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Great Idea!!! Let’s just remember that the Church has certain disciplines with regard to the eating of the gift of meat that was given to us. . . In the West, not on a Friday, nor on certain fast days. In the East, not on a Friday, nor on a Wednesday, nor on weekdays during certain periods of fasting. . .
Meat is a gift of God, bestowed on humankind, to be taken in moderation, and with gratitude.
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Steven_Merten
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Food chain.
I watched a documentory on lions. The lions stalked the zebra and caught one. The zebra stood there as the lions ripped his flesh from his bones.
Wow! This is how God willed the universe.
There is a man shooting children on a playground. There is a police man shooting the man who is shooting the children. Two identical actions yet one man is doing a tremendous act of love and one man is doing a tremendous act of hate. It is the anger, hatred and uncaring in the heart that makes killing murder.
**NAB MAT 5:21 **
“You have heard the commandment imposed on your forefathers, ‘You shall not commit murder; every murderer shall be liable to judgement.’ What I say to you is: everyone who grows angry with his brother shall be liable to judgement;…”
David slew Goliath. The way David killed Goliath was that God was with David. David’s faith and love for God is almost always accomplished through his actions of killing on the battle field.
Then David commited adultery with Bethsheba and commanded that Bethshebas husband be abondon in battle so the enemy could kill him. Now God, through Nathan the prophet, asks David basically, why have you broke the commandment Thou Shalt Not Kill.
**NAB 1 SAMUEL 17:38 **
David continued: “The LORD, who delivered me from the claws of the lion and the bear, will also keep me safe from the clutches of this Philistine.” Saul answered David, "Go! the LORD will be with you. 1SA 17:38…//…1SA 17:48 The Philistine then moved to meet David at close quarters, while David ran quickly toward the battle line in the direction of the Philistine. David put his hand into the bag and took out a stone, hurled it with the sling, and struck the Philistine on the forehead. The stone embedded itself in his brow, and he fell prostrate on the ground. (Thus David overcame the Philistine with sling and stone; he struck the Philistine mortally, and did it without a sword.) Then David ran and stood over him; with the Philistines own sword (which he drew from its sheath) he dispatched him and cut off his head.
**NAB 2 SAMUEL 5:19 **
The LORD replied to David, “Attack, for I will surely deliver the Philistines into your grip.” … “The LORD has scattered my enemies before me like waters that have broken free.” **NAB 2 SAMUEL 8:13 **
On his return, David became famous for having slain eighteen thousand Edomites in the Salt Valley; after which he placed garrisons in Edom. Thus all the Edomites became David’s subjects, and** the LORD brought David victory in all his undertakings**.
Nathan, God’s prophet, comes to David and basically says why have you broken the commandment ‘Thou Shalt Not Kill’? Does David say, “It was not by my hand that Uriah died?” Does David say, “I have killed tens of thousands on the battlefield, why do you ask me this only now?” No, David admits his guilt in breaking the command of God. Breaking the commandment Thou Shalt Not Kill is done in the heart, not on a battlefield.
**NAB 2 SAMUEL 12:9 **
Why have you spurned the LORD and done evil in his sight? You have cut down Uriah the Hittite with the sword; you took his wife as your own, and him you killed with the sword of the Ammonites. Now, therefore, the sword shall never depart from your house, because you have despised me and have taken the wife of Uriah to be your wife.’**NAB 2 SAMUEL 12:13 **
Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the LORD.” Nathan answered David: “The LORD on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die.”
Peace in Christ,
Steven Merten
www.ILOVEYOUGOD.com
I watched a documentory on lions. The lions stalked the zebra and caught one. The zebra stood there as the lions ripped his flesh from his bones.
Wow! This is how God willed the universe.
There is a man shooting children on a playground. There is a police man shooting the man who is shooting the children. Two identical actions yet one man is doing a tremendous act of love and one man is doing a tremendous act of hate. It is the anger, hatred and uncaring in the heart that makes killing murder.
**NAB MAT 5:21 **
“You have heard the commandment imposed on your forefathers, ‘You shall not commit murder; every murderer shall be liable to judgement.’ What I say to you is: everyone who grows angry with his brother shall be liable to judgement;…”
David slew Goliath. The way David killed Goliath was that God was with David. David’s faith and love for God is almost always accomplished through his actions of killing on the battle field.
Then David commited adultery with Bethsheba and commanded that Bethshebas husband be abondon in battle so the enemy could kill him. Now God, through Nathan the prophet, asks David basically, why have you broke the commandment Thou Shalt Not Kill.
**NAB 1 SAMUEL 17:38 **
David continued: “The LORD, who delivered me from the claws of the lion and the bear, will also keep me safe from the clutches of this Philistine.” Saul answered David, "Go! the LORD will be with you. 1SA 17:38…//…1SA 17:48 The Philistine then moved to meet David at close quarters, while David ran quickly toward the battle line in the direction of the Philistine. David put his hand into the bag and took out a stone, hurled it with the sling, and struck the Philistine on the forehead. The stone embedded itself in his brow, and he fell prostrate on the ground. (Thus David overcame the Philistine with sling and stone; he struck the Philistine mortally, and did it without a sword.) Then David ran and stood over him; with the Philistines own sword (which he drew from its sheath) he dispatched him and cut off his head.
**NAB 2 SAMUEL 5:19 **
The LORD replied to David, “Attack, for I will surely deliver the Philistines into your grip.” … “The LORD has scattered my enemies before me like waters that have broken free.” **NAB 2 SAMUEL 8:13 **
On his return, David became famous for having slain eighteen thousand Edomites in the Salt Valley; after which he placed garrisons in Edom. Thus all the Edomites became David’s subjects, and** the LORD brought David victory in all his undertakings**.
Nathan, God’s prophet, comes to David and basically says why have you broken the commandment ‘Thou Shalt Not Kill’? Does David say, “It was not by my hand that Uriah died?” Does David say, “I have killed tens of thousands on the battlefield, why do you ask me this only now?” No, David admits his guilt in breaking the command of God. Breaking the commandment Thou Shalt Not Kill is done in the heart, not on a battlefield.
**NAB 2 SAMUEL 12:9 **
Why have you spurned the LORD and done evil in his sight? You have cut down Uriah the Hittite with the sword; you took his wife as your own, and him you killed with the sword of the Ammonites. Now, therefore, the sword shall never depart from your house, because you have despised me and have taken the wife of Uriah to be your wife.’**NAB 2 SAMUEL 12:13 **
Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the LORD.” Nathan answered David: “The LORD on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die.”
Peace in Christ,
Steven Merten
www.ILOVEYOUGOD.com
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Kotton
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OH, YES, quite tongue in cheek.
I Found it to be quite humorous and would have replied immediately if I’d been on line at the time.Never can tell what trail a topic will take on the web.
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Lance
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I like meat. I believe if you live in a country where meat is available and you like it and can afford it, then eat it. If you want to be a vegan or vegatarian it is OK with me, just don’t try to push your ideas about food on me.
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RNRobert
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Faithful 2 Rome:
Faithful 2 Rome:
Rock start and avid hunter Ted Nugent has his own cookbook: “Ted Nugent’s Kill it and Grill it Cookbook.”
Faithful 2 Rome:
I saw a bumper sticker that read “VEGETARIANS TASTE BETTER”“Vegetables are tastey”
“Vegetables are great”
“Vegetables are awesome when served with a STEAK”!
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Christy_Beth
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Ok, let me see if I can do a rundown here. I’m a catholic, but not a vegetarian/vegan (yet!!). The only nutrient one misses on that sort of diet is B-12, which can be gotten in a non-animal based supliment. I, too, was raised on the “meat and potatoes” diet. But now I have to seriously look at that diet. The end of june of this year, I was diagnosed as diebetic. So, my whole way of living has to change. I have to change my diet. No question about that.
For a long time, nothing would convince me to become vegetarian. I remember one time when I worked for a McDonald’s. There was a vegetarian that worked there. Go figure!! One day while on my break, I was eating a suasage biscuit, she sat down next to me and asked, “how can you eat something with a face?” I find that sort of thing rude. After all, the biscuit surely had no face!! With comments like that, why would I want to be like her?
But I have seen, and read, what is being done to our environment. Think about it, our “wild west” was not made to support all the cattle that are now there grazing. Their manure won’t compost like that of the “native” animals. And factory farming does more than harm the animals. It also hurts the environment with all the “runoff.” It pollutes everything around it. Now, it has already been said that we will have to give account to God for our stewardship of the earth. Are you willing to stand there and say, “Well, gee, God, you gave us animals to eat, and I was just obeying You”?
I will be changing my diet to a more healthy one. And I will do what I can to protect the environment. For it isn’t just about stewardship, it is also about what kind of world I want my daughter and her future children to inherit.
For a long time, nothing would convince me to become vegetarian. I remember one time when I worked for a McDonald’s. There was a vegetarian that worked there. Go figure!! One day while on my break, I was eating a suasage biscuit, she sat down next to me and asked, “how can you eat something with a face?” I find that sort of thing rude. After all, the biscuit surely had no face!! With comments like that, why would I want to be like her?
But I have seen, and read, what is being done to our environment. Think about it, our “wild west” was not made to support all the cattle that are now there grazing. Their manure won’t compost like that of the “native” animals. And factory farming does more than harm the animals. It also hurts the environment with all the “runoff.” It pollutes everything around it. Now, it has already been said that we will have to give account to God for our stewardship of the earth. Are you willing to stand there and say, “Well, gee, God, you gave us animals to eat, and I was just obeying You”?
I will be changing my diet to a more healthy one. And I will do what I can to protect the environment. For it isn’t just about stewardship, it is also about what kind of world I want my daughter and her future children to inherit.
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chemcatholic
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So the first three paragraph’s of Karl’s first post were tongue-in-cheek? I don’t see them that way. The cheekiness begins after the third paragraph.
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Karl_Keating
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What social life? Everyone I know eats either animals or plants or both. At parties no one ever serves bowls of ground tourmaline, so I feel left out.
Being at the pinnacle of culinary correctness is lonely, I’ll tell you.
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Karl_Keating
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If you want to snag a fish, you don’t yank on the line as soon as there’s a nibble. You give the fish time to get thoroughly hooked, and then you reel it in.
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chemcatholic
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Karl Keating:
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Well, perhaps I’ve spent too much time recently thinking about science - I guess grad school will do that to a person
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ptlmom
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Wow! I didn’t realize that this was such a controversial topic. Since there is nothing in the Bible or in Catholic doctrine that says that we should not be vegan or vegertarian, then I don’t think anyone should have a problem with anyone who chooses that lifestyle. However, I do disagree with your recommendation of PETA as a resource. I was once a supporter of PETA when I was a teenager still at home and when they called after 9:00 PM one night they originally told my father after he asked who was calling that they were “a friend.” Then, they reluctantly said they were from PETA after my father told them he knew they were not being truthful. Any organization that would lie so freely I have a problem with supporting. I also think many of their tactics are quite “out there” and questionable. By the way, I am a vegetarian of 13 years and would recommend The Humane Society for the United States for a much better, reputable and respectable resource for anyone interested.
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Veronica_Anne
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I must be missing something here with the title of your original post.
What does being Catholic have to do with being vegan?
Maybe it’s just as relevant as being a blonde vegan, or a brunette vegan, or a redhead vegan?
By the way, I stay the way HECK out of the way of anybody who is a PETA-phyte. That’s because the people I know who are PETA folks are just plain unable to listen charitably to anyone who they even THINK MIGHT disagree with them.
Also, I had an acquaintance once who refused to consider that when she drove past a truck that had cattle on their way to be slaughtered that the cattle couldn’t read minds.
Yup, she INSISTED that “those poor cows and steers with those big, soulful eyes looking at you as you passed them by… they just KNEW what was going to happen to them!”
For the life of me, I tried to figure out why she was so sure that animals can read the future.
I’ve got a couple of vegetarian friends. They don’t make a big deal out of it. They just eat whatever they’re going to eat. They don’t want to proselytize or evangelize you away from being a carnivore.
If they did, I’d just stay away from them. I’d rather talk to someone who itches to “save you from” the Catholic church than someone who itches to “save you from” being a carnivore.
Sorry… I’m a bit in a mood tonite. Thanks for listening!
What does being Catholic have to do with being vegan?
Maybe it’s just as relevant as being a blonde vegan, or a brunette vegan, or a redhead vegan?
By the way, I stay the way HECK out of the way of anybody who is a PETA-phyte. That’s because the people I know who are PETA folks are just plain unable to listen charitably to anyone who they even THINK MIGHT disagree with them.
Also, I had an acquaintance once who refused to consider that when she drove past a truck that had cattle on their way to be slaughtered that the cattle couldn’t read minds.
Yup, she INSISTED that “those poor cows and steers with those big, soulful eyes looking at you as you passed them by… they just KNEW what was going to happen to them!”
For the life of me, I tried to figure out why she was so sure that animals can read the future.
I’ve got a couple of vegetarian friends. They don’t make a big deal out of it. They just eat whatever they’re going to eat. They don’t want to proselytize or evangelize you away from being a carnivore.
If they did, I’d just stay away from them. I’d rather talk to someone who itches to “save you from” the Catholic church than someone who itches to “save you from” being a carnivore.
Sorry… I’m a bit in a mood tonite. Thanks for listening!
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Richard_Lamb
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I am a carnivore that happens to like some veggies.
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dalcent
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Hi there,
I watched a broadcast on 3ABN by the Seventh Day Adventists. They are vegan because they claim God designed human’s to eat nuts and vegan foods, citing the pre-Fall dispensation. God did not authorize eating meat until Noah and his family came out of the Ark, saying: ‘Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant.’ (Gen 9:3 NASB).
I’m not saying this means we have to be vegans but it could mean veganism is the healthiest, most natural diet we could be following.
Anyway, they had various vegans on this show testifying how they lost a hundred pounds and so on. Forgetting the issue of animal right, there are many health reasons for not eating meat and dairy products. Excess protein, bacterias, uric acid, toxins, saturated fat etc. and milk clogs up the systems of many people.
I follow a vegan diet with loads of nuts and green veggies and lost 30 pounds in a month. My mother and sister followed suit and had similar results.
Obviously this diet requires a somewhat ascetic approach to life but that is hardly unchristian is it?
Dalcent
I watched a broadcast on 3ABN by the Seventh Day Adventists. They are vegan because they claim God designed human’s to eat nuts and vegan foods, citing the pre-Fall dispensation. God did not authorize eating meat until Noah and his family came out of the Ark, saying: ‘Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant.’ (Gen 9:3 NASB).
I’m not saying this means we have to be vegans but it could mean veganism is the healthiest, most natural diet we could be following.
Anyway, they had various vegans on this show testifying how they lost a hundred pounds and so on. Forgetting the issue of animal right, there are many health reasons for not eating meat and dairy products. Excess protein, bacterias, uric acid, toxins, saturated fat etc. and milk clogs up the systems of many people.
I follow a vegan diet with loads of nuts and green veggies and lost 30 pounds in a month. My mother and sister followed suit and had similar results.
Obviously this diet requires a somewhat ascetic approach to life but that is hardly unchristian is it?
Dalcent
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