Why I am boycotting Doctor Who

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Thanks for sharing your insights. I watched that episode, and had the same feeling when I saw that lizard kissing scene. Thanks for doing the homework and uncovering the source. I can share this information with my 15 year old, who tends to think I’m imaging things where they are not.
 
KevinAK said:
Donna Noble’s father was not around because he was dead. He was originally to have been a recurring character in season 4 but the actor who played him in Runaway Bride passed away and out of respect the character was dropped and replaced with her grandfather.

Amy NEVER had a crush on The Doctor. After meeting him at the age of ten she was subjected to years of therapy because her family thought she was making him up.

She left with The Doctor the night before her wedding. So what? Maybe she had cold feet. She came back and was completely committed to her husband Rory(who was in no way depicted as an idiot).
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And Mickey and Martha end up together (but that might have been on Torchwood).

And speaking of Torchwood, Gwen and Rhys have their troubles, but ultimately marry (but not without alien interference, of course) and have a baby. Gwen’s parents are happily together as is Ianto’s sister and her husband.

The forum needs spoiler tags.

(Were Rose and Mickey really bf/gf? They seemed to be just good buds.

And which companions died?
 
KevinAK said:
Donna Noble’s father was not around because he was dead. He was originally to have been a recurring character in season 4 but the actor who played him in Runaway Bride passed away and out of respect the character was dropped and replaced with her grandfather.

Amy NEVER had a crush on The Doctor. After meeting him at the age of ten she was subjected to years of therapy because her family thought she was making him up.

She left with The Doctor the night before her wedding. So what? Maybe she had cold feet. She came back and was completely committed to her husband Rory(who was in no way depicted as an idiot).
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I actually quite enjoy the Who reboot, but the OP is certainly correct that Russel T Davies who wrote many of and produced the first several seasons is, well as he’d probably say “out, loud and proud.” In fairness, you have to give the fellow credit for a lot of creativity and playfulness in the series. Criticisms so far don’t do justice to the way Davies has been faithful to the series’ underlying theme that evil doesn’t have to be fought with evil. Opposing evil often simply requires intelligence, creativity and determination in order to turn the power of evil in on itself. I like that message a lot.

It’s true that Davies’ worldview isn’t hard to find in the show. It’s simply the norm for the world we live in. You can’t relax and turn off the spiritual shields and veg out anymore. Keep them up and enjoy AND exercise your conscience. I don’t think Davies is outright trying to make hetero characters look bad though. Rather I think he’s creating characters with big personalities and obvious quirks and flaws because it’s THEATER and that’s what you do there.

But as an avid fan, I can’t believe anybody could miss the sexual tension between Amy Pond and the Doctor. It’s right there. Nor could anybody describe Rory as other than “pathetic dufus” with only occasional moments of greatness towards the end of his time on the show.

All in all, it’s still a good show that simply illustrates the foibles of the era in which it was produced. Living in the world, but not being OF it is rough. We frail humans tend towards erring on one side or the other, eh? I say go ahead and watch, but only if you’re willing to be on guard against the wrong stuff. Just like dealing with real people.

Torchwood, on the other hand, I couldn’t finish. It’s everything wrong with the modern Who without any of the goodness. Yuck.
 
manualman said:
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Torchwood, on the other hand, I couldn’t finish. It’s everything wrong with the modern Who without any of the goodness. Yuck.
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I wish you would have made it to Miracle Day. I thought there was a strong anti-euthanasia theme. And that controversial decision Jack made in Children of Earth; worth talking about.
 
Bruised_Reed said:
I wish you would have made it to Miracle Day. I thought there was a strong anti-euthanasia theme. And that controversial decision Jack made in Children of Earth; worth talking about.
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I bailed on the episode where he met the actual Jack Harkness fighter pilot. Haven’t seen such an agenda driven story since Cider House Rules (evil bias) or Fireproof (clumsy Christian bias).
 
manualman said:
I bailed on the episode where he met the actual Jack Harkness fighter pilot. Haven’t seen such an agenda driven story since Cider House Rules (evil bias) or Fireproof (clumsy Christian bias).
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It was pretty ham handed. As interesting as Miracle Day is there are some scenes (and a sub-plot) that are not for those with sensitive consciences although one is kind of crucial to the plot.
 
k well i take offense and that is how i reacted
anyway u are missing out bc the show is amazeballs

i thought they exaggerated the relationship between the two more than they should have
i think it is a stupid reason to stop watching the show but w.e
 
triumphguy said:
I loved the Waltons.

As a family we are going back to our old habit of reading a book out-loud after supper. A Wrinkle in TIme to be specific.

@Cat - you have some good points there Cat.

I’m just a bit resentful that I am forced to deal with gender issues when all I want is to watch a show that I remember so well from my own childhood. I was just hoping to share and experience, but instead of cringing at the amateurish stage props of the 60’s, I’m cringing at the sexuality of the characters.
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I loved the Waltons too! Gosh it’s been so long. Imagine a show portraying a normal family as, well, normal.

I can’t abide by TV anymore. My wife and I agree on this and we canceled our satellite service (the only way we can get TV in our area). We rent movies instead.
 
OraLabora said:
I can’t abide by TV anymore. My wife and I agree on this and we canceled our satellite service (the only way we can get TV in our area). We rent movies instead.
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ur rite tv sux these days
i pick wat i like and download it
no commercials no garbage u dont want to see
 
“The media have an agenda.” Well…surprise. NOT. I live in Minnesota. Three (?) Years ago, a Constitutional Amendment defining marriage as one man and one woman was defeated, largely with an argument that this was already state law. In the next legislative session after that elective defeat, the first bill introduced was a bill allowing gay marriage. It passed, of course. If you wonder where this begins, I suggest you search Tim Gill on the Internet. Many of those who have posted in this thread have children, and you are probably younger than I am. Don’t for one moment think this is new. The agenda you have stumbled on dates back to the Stonewall Riots (look it up). And saying anything about this in public is professional suicide. You will be branded an intolerant homophobic. There is serious money (billions) behind this gay agenda and it’s targeted directly at our kids. I have three teens. I am not a conspiracy theorist, I have a graduate degree with an emphasis in legal studies and mass communications, and I am a convert to Cathollicism. I am strongly in support of traditional Catholic values, I am active in my parish, and I totally support our priests. I have much compassion for those who have been abused. It is a very personal issue for me. And think about this: how much easier is it to dismiss the warnings about this pro-gay, pro-abortion, anti-marriage, anti-Catholic agenda when the men who can speak out about this are all branded as pedophiles by the same media that receive their paychecks from those promoting this agenda? Look at what the media have done to Fundamentalist Christians, and Catholics are next. I don’t think you all realize just how deep, prevalent and serious this issue really is.
 
momof3js said:
“The media have an agenda.” Well…surprise. NOT. I live in Minnesota. Three (?) Years ago, a Constitutional Amendment defining marriage as one man and one woman was defeated, largely with an argument that this was already state law. In the next legislative session after that elective defeat, the first bill introduced was a bill allowing gay marriage. It passed, of course. If you wonder where this begins, I suggest you search Tim Gill on the Internet. Many of those who have posted in this thread have children, and you are probably younger than I am. Don’t for one moment think this is new. The agenda you have stumbled on dates back to the Stonewall Riots (look it up). And saying anything about this in public is professional suicide. You will be branded an intolerant homophobic. There is serious money (billions) behind this gay agenda and it’s targeted directly at our kids. I have three teens. I am not a conspiracy theorist, I have a graduate degree with an emphasis in legal studies and mass communications, and I am a convert to Cathollicism. I am strongly in support of traditional Catholic values, I am active in my parish, and I totally support our priests. I have much compassion for those who have been abused. It is a very personal issue for me. ** And think about this: how much easier is it to dismiss the warnings about this pro-gay, pro-abortion, anti-marriage, anti-Catholic agenda when the men who can speak out about this are all branded as pedophiles by the same media that receive their paychecks from those promoting this agenda?** Look at what the media have done to Fundamentalist Christians, and Catholics are next. I don’t think you all realize just how deep, prevalent and serious this issue really is.
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Interesting comment!
 
Ah, the problems with joining a semi-long conversation.

acatholicartist wrote
Thanks for sharing your insights. I watched that episode, and had the same feeling when I saw that lizard kissing scene.
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I missed the first half hour or so. It sounds like I didn’t miss much :-), But when I saw that scene, I had no background but to take it as written, as an alien sharing oxygen while underwater.

KevinAK wrote
Amy NEVER had a crush on The Doctor. After meeting him at the age of ten she was subjected to years of therapy because her family thought she was making him up.
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She left with The Doctor the night before her wedding. So what? Maybe she had cold feet. She came back and was completely committed to her husband Rory(who was in no way depicted as an idiot).
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They played with making Amy seem to have a crush on the doctor a few times. And while Rory was definitely comic relief often, he also came across as The Common Man, sort of the antithesis to the normal, heroic companion the Doctor has. Brave and heroic when he has to be, but not out looking for opportunities to do so.

Cat wrote
We were big fans of the Tom Baker Dr. Who.
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He was my first doctor (probably a lot of people’s first doctor, because he was the one PBS introduced to the USA in 1975 or so.) I liked most of the doctors except Colin Baker (although he was hilarious in the Fivish Doctors Reboot), but especially Davison and Sylvester McCoy. Those two (in my opinion) were attempts to mature the show, to raise it above a kids show. Davison had the first death of a companion (Adric) and McCoy had a darker Doctor, or at least hints of some darker episodes in his past.

But with the new Doctors the show started having some character depth. Situations were dangerous, and the characters acted like they werem; they got really mad at each other, and they fell in love. A lot more emotion presented in the new Doctor stories.

So yes, the old shows were more kid friendly, but I’m not a kid anymore.

Do they have an agenda? Maybe. Maybe not. One fanfiction story I wrote presented Voodoo as real. Do I believe that? Not the least. I wrote it because it was a good story.

And in my pocket, I keep a quote from Charles Williams about the Cities on the Plain, Sodom and the other; Williams was a poet, and in his poetic language Gomorrah is a symbol for the rejection of Love. I have no pull towards Sodom; nor am I tempted by gambling, or some other sins. I have watch myself over those sins that I am tempted by.

Tom A.
“There are worlds out there where the sky is burning, and the sea’s asleep, and the rivers dream. People made of smoke, and cities made of song. Somewhere there’s danger, somewhere there’s injustice, and somewhere else the tea’s getting cold. Come on, Ace — we’ve got work to do!” - Slyvester McCoy, the Seventh Doctor, Survival, 1989.
 
KevinAK said:
Donna Noble’s father was not around because he was dead. He was originally to have been a recurring character in season 4 but the actor who played him in Runaway Bride passed away and out of respect the character was dropped and replaced with her grandfather.

Amy NEVER had a crush on The Doctor. After meeting him at the age of ten she was subjected to years of therapy because her family thought she was making him up.

She left with The Doctor the night before her wedding. So what? Maybe she had cold feet. She came back and was completely committed to her husband Rory(who was in no way depicted as an idiot).
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And hey, although we only see them as a bit of an afterthought, Mickey and Martha realized their relationship mistakes and ended up together as a strong couple that was happy together!
 
meteoric said:
A Davison had the first death of a companion (Adric) and McCoy had a darker Doctor, or at least hints of some darker episodes in his past.
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I liked your comments above a lot, but I should point out that the First Doctor had two companions die as well… Katarina and Sara Kingdom, both of whom were killed in The Daleks’ Masterplan. It’s easy to miss that fact though, since it’s one of the missing episodes that was junked in the early 70s. Davidson had another “sort-of” companion death as well with Kamelion.
 
On plots which are pro or anti-Catholic… there is also the episode where The Master has the Doctor imprisoned. In a dark oppressed world, Martha (I believe) is going throughout underground networks talking with people to keep hope alive.

I always thought I saw Christian overtones in that episode.
 
triumphguy said:
My kids have been excited to see the new doctor Who series with Peter Capaldi.

However I started to have reservations when I read that there was a lesbian/lizard kiss. In the end it was masked as a way to give oxygen to someone out of breath, and my kids didn’t notice. But the whole thing made me uncomfortable.

I hate TV that plays gender politics with my family.

SO I had a look at the rebooted series and found that Doctor Who has shown NO “hetero-normative” i.e., straight marriage in a good light, since the reboot of the series featuring Christopher Ecclestone’s Doctor.

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/35/c3/43/35c343d76af3895c7b7dddb32659bcba.jpg

In this series the companion Rose (Billy Piper) has a boyfriend, Mickey.

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But Mickey was constantly referred to and acted as the Idiot - except in the parallel universe where his parallel was called Ricky, and was quite normal and a natural leader, and was gay.

Rose’s mother is a sexually frustrated middle-aged lady who had a poor marriage with her father - in both universes.

The next(ish) companion Martha’s parents were divorced, and her bumbling father was constantly making himself foolish with a young blonde girl.

Then David Tennant’s companion Donna Noble’s father was nowhere to be seen and her “hetero-normative” mother was a right cow.

During her own dating relationship the guy was only interested in using her as bait for a spider woman.

In the David Tennant episode “Love and Monsters,” the heroine of the episode (Shirley Henderson) ends up as a face in a block of concrete (ELO “I turn to stone?”) - though that doesn’t stop the happy couple from having an “unconventional” love life.

Matt Smith’s companion Amy had a crush on the doctor since she was 10 (when she met him as a child), and the night before her wedding ran off with him.

If Mickey was the idiot, then Rory her boyfriend/husband to be was “stupid-head” the clown-cuckold. The centurion who waited only to be in the wrong once again… and treated with disdain.

And Riversong, the Doctor’s wife seems to be the result of Amy’s abduction and forced conception and her replacement by sentient “flesh.” Riversong herself was brought up to be a psychopath, in order to kill the doctor though she ended up marrying the Doctor: but her marriage to the doctor was constantly in reverse, since her timeline was going the wrong way. In the end she was consigned to a library’s mainframe memory to live out her days.

Throughout the various series the only “happy” relationship is between a female Silurian (lizard woman) Madam Vestra and her maid.

The only “ladies man” in the various series is Captain Jack Harkness, himself played by a gay actor, and a very flirtatious character in the series who does not discriminate at all between men and women.

So not a great record for hetero love in Dr. Who.

Which is a real pity

And then I saw that the writer who had rebooted the whole shebang had written a letter to the Gay Pride parade in Manchester UK, and I found out that he had authored and produced the TV show Queer as Folk, and that he himself was gay.

The penny dropped.

There’s an agenda.

It’s slick, it’s exciting and the kids love it, but the Doctor Who series if not downright bad for families, casually undermines them and the men in them, while promoting the gay culture as normative.
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I was never a really huge Doctor Who fan but the reboot has just been a recycling of older episodes redone in a jazzy style with better special effects. If anything I prefer the older Doctors. I don’t watch any TV to speak off. I turned it on last night only to be subjected to a view of a mutilated corpse out the blue on a show called “Elementary”. Such scene used to only be in horror flicks. I turned it off right away but I still was subjected to something I had no wish to see. It really makes me mad that tv has become so graphic and people wonder why we have all the violence out there we do. 🤷 Anyway I’ll still to renting movies from now on at least I know what I’m getting there.
 
triumphguy said:
My kids have been excited to see the new doctor Who series with Peter Capaldi.

However I started to have reservations when I read that there was a lesbian/lizard kiss. In the end it was masked as a way to give oxygen to someone out of breath, and my kids didn’t notice. But the whole thing made me uncomfortable.

I hate TV that plays gender politics with my family.

SO I had a look at the rebooted series and found that Doctor Who has shown NO “hetero-normative” i.e., straight marriage in a good light, since the reboot of the series featuring Christopher Ecclestone’s Doctor.

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/35/c3/43/35c343d76af3895c7b7dddb32659bcba.jpg

In this series the companion Rose (Billy Piper) has a boyfriend, Mickey.

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/200x150/ba/b9/9c/bab99c3aa0915d6d7109de4c1652caa1.jpg

But Mickey was constantly referred to and acted as the Idiot - except in the parallel universe where his parallel was called Ricky, and was quite normal and a natural leader, and was gay.

Rose’s mother is a sexually frustrated middle-aged lady who had a poor marriage with her father - in both universes.

The next(ish) companion Martha’s parents were divorced, and her bumbling father was constantly making himself foolish with a young blonde girl.

Then David Tennant’s companion Donna Noble’s father was nowhere to be seen and her “hetero-normative” mother was a right cow.

During her own dating relationship the guy was only interested in using her as bait for a spider woman.

In the David Tennant episode “Love and Monsters,” the heroine of the episode (Shirley Henderson) ends up as a face in a block of concrete (ELO “I turn to stone?”) - though that doesn’t stop the happy couple from having an “unconventional” love life.

Matt Smith’s companion Amy had a crush on the doctor since she was 10 (when she met him as a child), and the night before her wedding ran off with him.

If Mickey was the idiot, then Rory her boyfriend/husband to be was “stupid-head” the clown-cuckold. The centurion who waited only to be in the wrong once again… and treated with disdain.

And Riversong, the Doctor’s wife seems to be the result of Amy’s abduction and forced conception and her replacement by sentient “flesh.” Riversong herself was brought up to be a psychopath, in order to kill the doctor though she ended up marrying the Doctor: but her marriage to the doctor was constantly in reverse, since her timeline was going the wrong way. In the end she was consigned to a library’s mainframe memory to live out her days.

Throughout the various series the only “happy” relationship is between a female Silurian (lizard woman) Madam Vestra and her maid.

The only “ladies man” in the various series is Captain Jack Harkness, himself played by a gay actor, and a very flirtatious character in the series who does not discriminate at all between men and women.

So not a great record for hetero love in Dr. Who.

Which is a real pity

And then I saw that the writer who had rebooted the whole shebang had written a letter to the Gay Pride parade in Manchester UK, and I found out that he had authored and produced the TV show Queer as Folk, and that he himself was gay.

The penny dropped.

There’s an agenda.

It’s slick, it’s exciting and the kids love it, but the Doctor Who series if not downright bad for families, casually undermines them and the men in them, while promoting the gay culture as normative.
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I was never a really huge Doctor Who fan but the reboot has just been a recycling of older episodes redone in a jazzy style with better special effects. If anything I prefer the older Doctors. I don’t watch any TV to speak off. I turned it on last night only to be subjected to a view of a mutilated corpse out the blue on a show called “Elementary”. Such scenes used to only be in horror flicks. I turned it off right away but I still was subjected to something I had no wish to see. It really makes me mad that tv has become so graphic and people wonder why we have all the violence out there we do. 🤷 Anyway I’ll still to renting movies from now on at least I know what I’m getting there.
 
David Tennant was my last Doctor Who.

The media has an agenda. It is very obvious. I monitor all media on an almost daily basis. The goal is simple, and the basic character template is the same, whether it’s a cartoon or science fiction: The Dysfunctionals. Normalcy? What’s that? I can’t even read magazines I used to like because offensive words are being added. Example: A magazine called Source had a shirtless black man with the word rape on his belt buckle on the cover. Graphic, bloody, gory violence? “What’s the big deal?” Reading the trade press, the goal is to present perversity under the word diversity. One article mentioned the “risk to diversity” because a few gay themed TV programs were being cancelled. It was quite obvious people were not watching them.

As a professional storyteller, nothing offensive needs to be on TV or in movies. It’s not about realism, it’s about people “just get used to it” thinking. Bloody gore - out. Immoral science fiction - out. Most TV - out. Some books and magazines? I suggest we avoid them if they contain offensive and immoral content.

Thanks to the OP for the fair warning.

Peace,
Ed
 
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