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wth1257
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I’m clearly referring to the Bible, unless there is a Surah named “James” I am unaware of
I never claimed that, I said Vatican II affirmed that Muslims adore the One True God.
It’s artificial
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exoflare
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I still would like to know if you’ve ever read Theology and Sanity? 
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wth1257
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That is a lie, a number of the Islamaphobe band has attacked Muslims, not Islam. Look at R_Not’s posts he does it on a regular basis
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R_not
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To me you three sound like a hate fest - Catharina, wth and (name removed by moderator).
You guys are telling us that we should just go back and pretend to be mushrooms - basically sit in the dark and not only let the muslims have their way with our children’s minds, but also let them segregate - because their teachings say that infidels are dirty.
And most importantly to just sit back and let the muslims deceive us because that is what their koran says they can do - and just tell us how peaceful they are and that their intentions are so benign - while they have demonstrated that in NO country that they migrate to.
I will post Geert Wilders speech to his Parliament about his film, Fitna:
I can not say it any better than Geert Wilders on what islam brings to countries.
sheikyermami.com/2008/06/05/full-transcript-of-geert-wilders-speech-in-the-danish-parliament/#more-8354
Italian writer Oriana Fallaci, said: “A moderate Islam does not exist. It does not exist because there is no difference between Good Islam and Bad Islam. There is Islam and that it the end of it. Islam is the Koran, and nothing other than the Koran.“
(Oriana Fallaci”The Force of Reason” post-script page 305 February 2006)]
Wise and true words.
As with Hitler and the German population - we saw that so many Germans were swayed to Nazism. Socialism, the thinking that they were superior (as muslims do that over infidels - read their sharia laws) and nationalism - and the weakened voice from the right - allowed the Nazi movement to wreck havoc. Too many good men/women sat by and did nothing. and I suppose that is what these people want us to do.
Think again.
Your outrage is noted and I think you are wrong - and the name calling ensues - again. You so easily call some people islamophobes - muslims do that quite often. It is a fear of islam. I don’t have a fear of islam. Or else I wouldn’t be taking it on like I do.
Chosing ignorance is what you and Catharina are doing.
Take note that terms such as ‘radical’, ‘moderate’, etc are all words that Westerners have made up. I suppose in hopes that what is in the koran and hadiths are really not what they do indeed follow. Dream on.
‘moderate muslim’ is a kafir term: frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=76B12F33-3165-47D1-80ED-C3F1ACD07D8A
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exoflare
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Also, I haven’t seen where the OP has stated what is drawing him to Islam… other than a brief reference to Tawheed. Is there more, or did I pretty much cover it all?
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catharina
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- Far more important you act as if the Church is wrong. It’s not. You are.
- I’m choosing to obey Church Teaching. What are you doing?
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catharina
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You are building an effigy that is labeled:
“Islam is evil.” Pretending that you’re doing anything else is stupid.
I’m saying that I support Church Teaching.
Your words against Islam do not support it.
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wth1257
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I alluded to my intentions to expand further on this in my OP, however based on how this thread is going I’m just trying to let it burn itself out.
You and a few other people have my thanks for trying to make this a serious discussion, but I think some are determined to derail it.
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R_not
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Seems like some positive things are happening in some states.
The saudi Academy Director has been arrested for obstruction of justice.
saudiwatch.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/islamic-saudi-academy-director-arrested-for-obstruction-of-justice/
muslims rioting in Europe - again - but you won’t hear it on the mainstream news, just like we haven’t heard all the riots that have been happening since around Christmas time last year.
jihadwatch.org/archives/021416.php
There is so much happening today - and you three defend the indefensible. Where is the outrage from the muslim community over the destruction that the muslims have done in France? You think I am ruining the image of islam - it seems that they do a pretty good job of it themselves.
The saudi Academy Director has been arrested for obstruction of justice.
saudiwatch.wordpress.com/2008/06/16/islamic-saudi-academy-director-arrested-for-obstruction-of-justice/
muslims rioting in Europe - again - but you won’t hear it on the mainstream news, just like we haven’t heard all the riots that have been happening since around Christmas time last year.
jihadwatch.org/archives/021416.php
There is so much happening today - and you three defend the indefensible. Where is the outrage from the muslim community over the destruction that the muslims have done in France? You think I am ruining the image of islam - it seems that they do a pretty good job of it themselves.
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R_not
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What you are doing is supporting the death of so many infidels by the silence of so many ‘moderate’ muslims. Because the muslims are not concerned with those who slaughter - but are indeed concerned with their image. My previous post shows how they ruin their own image - but then there are some who hide their heads in the sand.
Brigette Gabriel said that those who hide their heads in the sand make a nice, big fat target. She is a Lebanese Christian who came to America and is very outspoken about islam. Her country is now a sty of muslim violence - helped along by… people like you.
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R_not
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He has stated it in posts throughout, and on other threads.
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R_not
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You hide behind an excuse for chosing ignorance.
I am searching for the truth and just telling others what I find, have found.
All I got to say - as I have said to wth - is READ. THINK for yourself. And stop hiding behind excuses to not find out what is the real truth.
It is NOT a sin to find out what the truth is - sorry, but whatever you are trying to hide behind is your excuse. and if you were in the military then you know what an excuse is - cheap.
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catharina
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Apparently you feel “comfortable” speaking against the teachings of the Catholic Church - that’s your problem, not mine. Get help.
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catharina
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Sorry you are so removed from your faith.
Faith is my lifeline, not my excuse.
So what’s your excuse for being hateful?
Lost your faith? Faith must be fed to stay alive.
PS - Maybe you’ve forgotten.
JESUS is the TRUTH - the Way, the Truth and the Life.
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wth1257
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This is news to me, care to be specific?
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R_not
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Speaking up about islam is NOT speaking against the Church. It is NOT a sin, nor is it banned.
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Steven_John
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This is true, Catholics believe Muslims are included in Gods plan of salvation.
So one can rightly draw upon this to see the church is speaking up for Gods goodness in Islam.
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catharina
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TAKE OFF YOUR BLINDERS.
Speaking AGAINST Islam is forbidden by the Church.
Pull yourself together and re-read this thread.
The documents of Vaticn II are quoted.
The Holy Father is quoted.
ISLAM is defined as ONE of the THREE great religions that worship ONE GOD.
YOO-HOO? At this time (and at your age, if you’re an adult), ignorance is no excuse.
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catharina
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Thank you, yes.
Hwever, r-not who says she’s Catholic is into spreading negativity toward Islam.
She seems to believe that she is the exception to Church Teaching in this area. (?)
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CatsAndDogs
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Is to describe islam to bash islam?
Islam is not to be bashed, but it is certainly to be described to those interested in a non-Christian view of it.
You, and anyone else of course, are more than welcome to refute any supposedly false descriptions of islam, but to say that as Catholics we’re prohibited from describing it is truly amazing, and certainly NOT a “Catholic Imperative”.
What is your basis for saying this? Where does it say we must say only nice things about islam?
Please be specific. Thanks.
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