Deb, your response was rather boring. All you basically said was that you don’t think I’m right, with almost no further explanation.
Deb1, Since your response was “rather boring” I am risking the possibility of being a threadjacker to make a contribution.
Let’s start with the “father of evolution” Darwin himself. Great moral man, or???
Up to when Charlie completed the “Origin of the species” he considered himself a theist. But somewhere between then and the “Descent of man” he became a proponent of
Eugenics. (certainly a non-theistic view) This has to be the **most amoral **field known to man.
“With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated. We civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination. We build asylums for the
imbecile, the maimed and the sick. Thus the weak members of society propagate their own kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. Hardly anyone is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.”
Charles Darwin
“The descent of man”
1871.
Certainly a bad start for the idea of evolution being a moral topic, eh?
You have completely ignored the evolutionary explanation for the origin of the human compass, which is far more rational than the Christian explanation (“Moral law requires a moral law-giver!”)
When a child is born, it shows no trace of morality. It wants what it wants for itself, and only blesses the parents with “surprises” in its diapers. No human being has ever been born knowing its own name. It has to be learned. Yet the “human compass” self generates morality without learning? In the 1970’s, Dr. Spock wrote books on the dangers of discipline to children. Tragically, but factually, one of his own children committed suicide.
The Bible says:
2Samuel 7:14
14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with the rod of men. (aka spare the rod and spoil the child.)
So morality, like one’s own name, must be learned. And this is passed down through generations from the “moral law-giver.”
And Dr. Will Provine, Cornell University professor and noted atheist, states:
"Let me summarize my views on what modern evolutionary biology tells us loud and clear, “There are no gods, no purposes, no goal directed forces of any kind.
No ultimate morality, *no hope, no future, and no free will.” *
Sounds like no “human compass” either.
Let’s add in a couple of a real situations.
- Late at night, a young lady is walking down a dark alley to get home. Suddenly she sees the shadows of 4 very large men coming towards her. They are talking, but she cant make out what they are saying. She knows that she cant turn and run, because they would catch her, so she is completely vulnerable. As they get close, a glimmer of light shines on them. She sees that they are all carrying Bibles. She is obviously relieved. Why? Because they carry “the moral laws of the moral law giver.”
- Try this experiment. Visit a secular blog, and compare the vulgarities to the Christian members and censors of this site. Which is more moral?
Morality it seems, actually does come from the “moral law giver.” Blessed be His Name.
I clearly see I am wasting my time here. I used to post here in 2004-5 and got into long debates on history and economics - many blank stares. Then I came back in 2007 and nobody cared - more blank stares. Now I have returned once again for a final time before *everything *happens (what do I mean by that - *bizarre * things 
) - and not even one person asks me to explain and expound upon all of what I said. You can lead a horse to water…
