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Karin said:
It’s called debate, I believe.
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It’s called debate, I believe.
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Karin
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I guess my definition of debate is different than yours
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Hospitaller
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Doubtless.I guess my definition of debate is different than yours
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Franze
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Please, muslim, explain me evidences for believing that Muhammad saw the Angel Gabriel?, Islam was a religion invented by Muhammad. It is very clear.
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Edris
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This is just funny, you want evidence for believing that Muhammad pbuh saw the Angel Gabriel.
At least we (muslims) have a discription of Angel Gabriel in the Qur'an and Ahadith, we know how he looks. But tell me what do you (christians) know about Angle Gabriel.?
the only clear thing is that you are ignorant in both religions (Islam and Christianity)
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Gabriel is the Archangel who appeared to the Virgin Mary to announce to her that she was going to be the Mother of the Son of God.
What is the description you have for Gabriel?
Mind you, just because you claim that you have a description does not mean that he really appeared to Mohammed!
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Faith101
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peace
i was debating whether or not to respond to your comment. And I thought to myself, inshAllah if he doesnt benefit from my reply, then perhaps someone just reading this forum will…so here goes
When you say that Muslims who act in goodness are going against true Islamic teaching, i honestly am stuck. Dont know whether to laugh at that statment, or cry because someone actually believes it.
THen you say that you have yet to beleive that Islam is a religion of good. Again, i ask you, where did you get this idea from? If you believe it, then nothing i will say will change your mind, so i’m not going to try. But i just want to tell you that these statments dont fly with knowledgble Muslims, and when you say them, you just look like someone is ignorant about Islam and its teachings. And whats worse, it may even end up looking as a form of hatred.
maybe i shouldnt have responded, but statments like those amaze me. Alhamdulilah.
i was debating whether or not to respond to your comment. And I thought to myself, inshAllah if he doesnt benefit from my reply, then perhaps someone just reading this forum will…so here goes
I am a Muslim. I read a lot about my religion, from the Quran, the hadith and what the scholars who have spent their entire lives studying Islam.
When you say that Muslims who act in goodness are going against true Islamic teaching, i honestly am stuck. Dont know whether to laugh at that statment, or cry because someone actually believes it.
THen you say that you have yet to beleive that Islam is a religion of good. Again, i ask you, where did you get this idea from? If you believe it, then nothing i will say will change your mind, so i’m not going to try. But i just want to tell you that these statments dont fly with knowledgble Muslims, and when you say them, you just look like someone is ignorant about Islam and its teachings. And whats worse, it may even end up looking as a form of hatred.
maybe i shouldnt have responded, but statments like those amaze me. Alhamdulilah.
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open a new thread…and support that statement with proof.
If you can not, and you will not be able to, then Fear God in what you say.
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Booklover
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Karin said:
Yes, I admit that I have said many derogatory things about Islam. I wish I hadn’t because it’s not the right thing to do, but I’ve yet to see you say something to them when they’ve attacked our faith!
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Faith101
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here we go againYeah, the Trinity is tough to understand, so I guess we should give the all-knowing Allah a free pass when he screws up it up:
When criticizing Christianity, “Allah” claims that the Christian Trinity is the Father, Jesus, and Mary and nowhere is the Holy Spirit even mentioned at all as being worshipped as God. You’d think if he was going to condemn the Trinity he should probably have chosen to condemn the persons who actually make up the Trinity :yawn:
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. (4:171)
“And (remember) when Allaah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): “O Jesus son of Mary! Did you say unto men: ‘Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allaah?’ (5:116)
Alhamdulilah…i’ve learned a lot about patience.
ACCORDING TO THE MUSLIM CONCEPT OF WORSHIP…YOU WORSHIP MARY.
we talked about this before. We understand (AND THE QURAN ALSO STATES) that you will say
“we only use Mary to get us closer to God” or “mary and the saints are our intercessors” this all falls under the concept of worship.
I understand that you will argue this. Probably because other Chrsitians say the same thing about Catholics and it has become a point of sensitivty.
Perhaps Muslims are just too superstrict when it comes to the idea of ONE God.
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Franze
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I don´t have to proof nothing, muslims will have to proof the true of the Koran and the revelation to Muhammad. But only it was seen by him, none more.
However, Jesus was seen by thousands of people and many people, even non-christians saw him. Many people saw him after he resurrected. Many more that the beginning of islam.
You will say me, that for believing that Christ is God, the second person of trinity, I have to have faith, and yes, it´s true.
But in islam, believing the predication of only one a person that believed seeing an archangel, without anyone seeing, is having a lot of faith, and it isn´t demonstrated. And for that reason, muslims have to proof that the true of Koran and the revelation to Muhammad, and please proofs, not faith.
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Faith101
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lol…so you dont have proof.
if you dont have proof, then essentially sir, you have no argument.
Innocent until PROVEN guilty.
you know what i think it is…i think Islam makes too much sense for you to try to poke holes in the foundation of our beliefs…so you say something like “well it doesnt matter whats in the boook, b/c its not from God”
Its a tactic people use…if they cant argue with the statments presented, they start to bash the presenter in desperation.
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exoflare
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How do you know nobody’s going to tell you the very same thing?
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Faith101
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They do. Like i said, verses from the Bible do support that Jesus peace be upon him was JUST a messenger. In addition to the fact that the foundation of the religion is based on mystery and inherited sin…and ends with the brutal murder of one innocent man…must of Christianity is man-made. Much of the practices of some Christians today resemble the same practices of the pagan Arabs 1400 years ago.
Nothing that has been polluted by man is divine. I’m not sitting here telilng you to prove that Mary was a virgin or telling you that Jesus’ healing people was magic, like much of what people said during his lifetime. I’m telling you that he was a man with a message. And those that followed him left his message, and took the man as a god. May God guide us all.
I know the above may be offensive, i do apologize, but it is what i believe.
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exoflare
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Is the Bible a reliable source?
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Faith101
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If reliable means that every word in it is true, then no.
addition: It is the source that Christians derive their beliefs from, therefore if someone would like to argue with the Christians about what they believe…then he/she should start with it.
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exoflare
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What definition of reliable would you apply to it, then?
just FYI: you’re sort of correct, but the core source of all Catholic beliefs (Protestant ones too, really) is church teaching passed down through apostolic succession. It’s all in writing, but in the form of council declarations and papal decrees. To put it into perspective, it was a council declaration that confirmed which books would be included in the Bible in the first place.
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Faith101
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I dont understand what you mean. It’s like handing you a fiction that was based on a real persons life, but twisted and turned that it can no longer be called non-fiction. Is the book reliable? I dont know what to say.
I didnt know that, thanks
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exoflare
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I’m saying that if the Bible, or any book, was a fiction, I don’t see how it could provide factual “support” for any given claim, like how you said the Bible supported the idea that Jesus was JUST a messenger.
EDIT: or by “support”, do you just mean the claim doesn’t contradict what’s in the book?
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