Why I am not a Christian?

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exoflare:
I’m saying that if the Bible, or any book, was a fiction, I don’t see how it could provide factual “support” for any given claim, like how you said the Bible supported the idea that Jesus was JUST a messenger.

EDIT: or by “support”, do you just mean the claim doesn’t contradict what’s in the book?
To start, the Bible does not add nor subtract from my faith. I dont need it to be a Muslim, nor do i need it to stregthen my faith in Islam.

What i meant when i said that was that the Bible can not be used as solid evidence for either side, yet it can be used as evidence for BOTH sides. For me, that doesnt cause any dilemna. However, it does cause a dilemna for a Christian who is trying to reconcile the idea of jesus being god with the statments in the Bible that are against that idea.

As a Muslim, when talking with a Christian, these things will come up. At the end of the day, i go back to my holy book, of which there is no doubt or contradiction. I go back to my Quran where Allah clearly explains who He is and what He wants of us.

I hope that made sense.
 
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Faith101:
lol…so you dont have proof.

if you dont have proof, then essentially sir, you have no argument.

Innocent until PROVEN guilty.

you know what i think it is…i think Islam makes too much sense for you to try to poke holes in the foundation of our beliefs…so you say something like “well it doesnt matter whats in the boook, b/c its not from God”

Its a tactic people use…if they cant argue with the statments presented, they start to bash the presenter in desperation.
You can´t present proofs for believing that the Angel Gabriel appeared Muhammad and the Koran isn´t the dictate and invetion of Muhammad. This is a fact. You need faith for believing that.
Jesus said:
"By their fruits you will know them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Just so, every good tree bears good fruit, and a rotten tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a rotten tree bear good fruit. very tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire. So by their fruits you will know them"Mattew 7,16-20
 
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Tonks40:
You are contradiction yourself again. I feel sorry for you. I will pray for you. 😦
Thank you, and I will pray for you all, may God guide you to the truth before its too late.

Peace to all.
 
gurrato alaien:
  1. Christians worship more than one God, ie Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Christians say that it is only one God, however even their most knowledgeable priests cannot completely explain the trinity.
Err no we don’t, Jesus said that he that has seen Me has seen the Father, for I and the Father are one". That is the mystery of the Trinity, Three Divine Persons ONE GOD.
Saint Patrick picked up a simple little plant to explain this great mystery, the Shamrock, 3 leaves one stem, Three Persons One God.
If you can’t understand the simple things in life like the Shamrock, how can you or anyone understand the Greatness of God.
A tree has many branches in other-words, but it’s still one tree.
  1. Christians depict images of holy figures such as Jesus, Mary, saints, and other prophets and use those images to direct their worship. I regard this as idolatry, and also as disregarding the second of the ten commandments:
How do you explain standing up against a stone wall and praying then ?
“You shall have no other gods besides Me…Do not make a sculpted image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above…”
If you have a photographic album of loved ones, then you have images in your house, but I’m sure you don’t worship them, just like we Catholics don’t worship statues.
 
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Booklover:
Yes, I admit that I have said many derogatory things about Islam. I wish I hadn’t because it’s not the right thing to do, but I’ve yet to see you say something to them when they’ve attacked our faith!
I am not here to defend anyones faith but my own…and so far they have not attacked my faith:D
 
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Ivornotion:
If you can’t understand the simple things in life like the Shamrock, how can you or anyone understand the Greatness of God.
A tree has many branches in other-words, but it’s still one tree.

How do you explain standing up against a stone wall and praying then ?

If you have a photographic album of loved ones, then you have images in your house, but I’m sure you don’t worship them, just like we Catholics don’t worship statues.
St. Patrick’s analogy has always been one of my favorites. But some people will go on forever with the “three gods” thing when they know it’s not true, just because they want to say anything bad about the Church that people might fall for. There’s really no point arguing with them.

Actually, the matter of keeping photos in your house (even of family) is a subject of debate even among mainstream Muslims. Even though common sense would tell you otherwise, you underestimated how literally they take the whole graven images thing. Evangelicals, eat your heart out! 😃
 
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Karin:
I am not here to defend anyones faith but my own…and so far they have not attacked my faith:D
You must have missed the thread title.😉
 
gurrato alaien:
Thank you, and I will pray for you all, may God guide you to the truth before its too late.

Peace to all.
Thank you…but I do subscribe to the Truth. 🙂
 
De Maria:
…Islam is a man made religion. Proof is that only Mohammed received the alleged revelation without verification nor proof. He did not provide proof by miracles nor did anyone witness the revelation besides him.

In contrast, Jesus provided HIs revelation and was witnessed by thousands. He established a Church which carries His Monotheistic Word in Trinitarian form, by Teaching, Tradition and Scripture. This Good News was witnessed and written by His Apostles and put together with the Old Testament which itself reveals the coming of Christ in signs and foreshadowings…
Those are all excellent points, Maria. The life and miracles of Christ are so historicaly verifiable that it is really amazing. A book I am currently reading, for example, explains how the early Talmud actually details accounts of Christ’s teachings, but warns Jews not to be taken in by these “false” miracles. The Gospels themselves are so powerful because there are differences in the account. One might think that this is actually a problem, but it is important to remember how different persons will view the same event slightly differently, since they are seeing it through the lens of human experience.

#11 refers to “graven images”, and I’d like to make a few comments on that. First, here is a quote from an artist relative of mine, which sheds some light on the subject. “If one uses the amount of space devoted to a subject as indicative of its importance in Scripture, then the design and construction of the art in the ancient temple is more important than the creation of the whole universe.” Likewise, a tremondous amount of text is given to how the Arc of the Covenant was to constructed. Art and beauty have always been important to God, and these attributes have also always followed the people of God. Why should it be surprising, however, that the creator of all would also desire artists and writers to use their own gifts of artistic creation to create works to bring praise to God?

(Brief aside here. Not long ago, I asked a forum member who is of the Islamic faith what his religion had accomplished since the fall of the Ottoman Empire. You know what he admitted? His response was that Islamic cultures had done nothing of any value since that time–nothing in the cultural, artistic, or scientific fields. I respect that gentleman’s honesty, and I think what he was trying to bring attention to was that we are nothing without God. Christians agree with this sentiment also, however, but perhaps the difference is that we believe that God gives us gifts or inspires us to do things for him better than our paltry talents should be able to complete.)

To continue on the earlier theme, do you have pictures of those you love or honor in your home? This kind of thing is no different than having paintings or sculptures of saints or Jesus in our churches. It sets a tone of reverence and draws our eyes to the profound reality of the faith which is all around us. We are not whorsiping the statues, but only using them as tools or objects of encouragement in our walk with Christ.

As far as the Trinity, it is probably important to note that the Bible does not identify this in so many words. It is instead understood or inferred by a careful reading of the Scriptures. It is called a mystery, and we can’t understand it. We accept it on faith–just like you accept your prophet’s unverified revelations by faith.
 
Nicely done. I must say I’m quite impressed.

Bravo, Writer.
 
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Karin:
I am not here to defend anyones faith but my own…and so far they have not attacked my faith:D
Then why do you get upset if someone says something against Islam? I have seen you defend Islam on several occasions but never Christianity. That is you right but be honest with yourself and us.
 
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Lance:
Then why do you get upset if someone says something against Islam? I have seen you defend Islam on several occasions but never Christianity. That is you right but be honest with yourself and us.
I do get upset about the bashing that Catholics due regarding Islam. I also get upset regarding the bashing that Muslim’s do regarding the catholic faith.
I am not a Catholic nor am I a Muslim. I was married to a Catholic and my two sons are catholic and have family that are Muslim so I see both sides of the coin (so to speak).
What I dont understand is why do certain members attempt to “bait” Muslims…this only leads to negative remarks from both sides eventually.
What upsets me is that catholics really do not care what Islam is about (no one wants you to convert) they are only out to blame Muslims and Islam for ALL terrorists activites.
**As to being "honest"with you and myself…I have to ask “honest” about what? **
 
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Karin:
I do get upset about the bashing that Catholics due regarding Islam. I also get upset regarding the bashing that Muslim’s do regarding the catholic faith.
I am not a Catholic nor am I a Muslim. I was married to a Catholic and my two sons are catholic and have family that are Muslim so I see both sides of the coin (so to speak).
What I dont understand is why do certain members attempt to “bait” Muslims…this only leads to negative remarks from both sides eventually.
What upsets me is that catholics really do not care what Islam is about (no one wants you to convert) they are only out to blame Muslims and Islam for ALL terrorists activites.
**As to being "honest"with you and myself…I have to ask “honest” about what? **
This is a Catholic forum. We have all sorts of faith come to these boards. We assume (dangerous word) that when people of other faiths come here to ask questions and discuss theology, we make every attempt to understand their side of the story, and provide our side of the story. But when someone comes here, starts a post with an unwielding statement (such as this thread), I feel that they are the ones trying to bait us!

First impressions are sometimes sooo hard to shake!
 
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Tonks40:
We assume (dangerous word) that when people of other faiths come here to ask questions and discuss theology, we make every attempt to understand their side of the story, and provide our side of the story.
True I have seen this…but how quickly the threads get nasty just becuase one side can not “accept” what the other believes.
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Tonks40:
But when someone comes here, starts a post with an unwielding statement (such as this thread), I feel that they are the ones trying to bait us!
And it is ok to bait Muslims as I have seen numerous members do?? A bit of a double standard, no??
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Tonks40:
First impressions are sometimes sooo hard to shake!
This goes both ways and I totally agree!
 
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Karin:
And it is ok to bait Muslims as I have seen numerous members do?? A bit of a double standard, no??
Vice-versa doesn’t disturb you?
 
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Karin:
Either way it disturbs me…one wrong does not make a right…
I haven’t respond to you before I have read a large number of your postings. I have found them less than Christian and less than kind.
 
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MommaKat:
I haven’t respond to you before I have read a large number of your postings. I have found them less than Christian and less than kind.
MommaKat:
Well, they would sound less than Christian as I am not one…and as less than kind…kind towards who, Christians or Muslims?
I guess if you do not wholly agree with Christians than anything said is unkind. But I can accept your views and I still respect you for them:D
 
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Karin:
Either way it disturbs me…one wrong does not make a right…
It seems you only criticize the one and not the other though (I may be wrong, but it seems like that).
 
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