Why I deeply dislike your older boyfriend

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Here’s an article I found on what kinds of older boyfriends are particularly problematic for young women.

scarleteen.com/article/abuse_assault/why_i_deeply_dislike_your_older_boyfriend

It’s a very secular site, which I know some people will find objectionable, but I think there’s a lot of insight in the article with regard to red flags in relationships with a large age disparity. As I’ve mentioned before on CAF, I had a very problematic relationship with a mid-30s guy when I was 19, and a lot of this rings true to me.

I think it might be helpful to talk to teenage daughters about some of the ideas in the piece, even if the piece as a whole might be too rah-rah birth control for giving the whole thing to younger teens. There’s are a lot of stats in the parts I haven’t quoted about how when there is a large age disparity, there’s a much higher chance of STI transmission and pregnancy.

Here are some quotes:

“I’m aware – including in my personal life, having been in more than one healthy age-disparate relationship with an older partner – that not every older boyfriend is abusive, exploitive or a waste of breatheable air. Your older boyfriend may well be someone who is a stand-up guy, who is aware that age does matter and treads lightly to avoid exploiting you in any way. He may be someone who does care deeply for you, has all the respect in the world for you, and demonstrates that clearly and consistently in your relationship.”

“So unfortunately, I’m also all too aware – as is every reproductive health and teen advocacy group worldwide – that the rule, rather than the exception, is that your older boyfriend is more likely to be bad news than good. And the younger you are, the more statistically likely it is that your older partner is going to spell major league disaster for you.”

“I feel like he chose you because he thinks you can be convinced he’s as good as you’re going to get: when the truth is that you are the one who is as good as HE is going to get. I feel like dating someone as smart, gorgeous, fabulous and awesome as you are is something he does in part to make himself feel more important than he actually is. I feel like he thinks it’s okay to use you to make others think better of him than he actually deserves. I feel like he chose you because he thinks “getting” you is an achievement all about him, not a partnership about both of you.”

“I feel like he chose you because he thinks that he can be held to lower standards by you than someone closer to his age would hold him to. I hear you when you tell me that you value his picking you, that someone older and wiser choosing to be with you makes you feel important, but I don’t understand why when he doesn’t act like someone older and wiser. I know he tells you how mature for your age you are, and how your maturity puts you “on the same level.” The part he always seems to leave out is that if you are on a similar level of maturity, it’s only because he is immature for his age.”

“Like because he knows someone younger has limited life experience which makes it harder to see when something or someone is bad news.”

“He knows that because he’s been your age before, and knows that things are different for him at the age he is now. When you’re his age, you’ll know that, too, but he also knows you don’t know that yet.”

“Months, years or even decades from now when you look back on this relationship, how do you think you’re going to feel about it, especially if it left you with an unwanted pregnancy, an STI, an abiding sense of distrust, sex you didn’t want, self-esteem you had to reconstruct, friends and family you had to try and repair relationships with, abuse or just a pack of lies and betrayals? If it – as these tend to – tossed one or more areas of your life into total disarray or put big things you wanted on hold, if it caused you to miss valuable opportunities, do you think you might wish then that you ditched this dupe earlier? Do you think that, at that point, were you able to reach back in time and talk to the you-of-now, you might not want to grip your shoulders and say “Wake the heck UP, girl!” as loud as you could?”

“He may be older but he’s not wiser, and he’s not acting like a grownup. He doesn’t want to grow up, which is part of why he’s dating people he perceives as not grownup themselves.”
 
Amen.

Not to mention the epidemic of lengthy time it creates widows. Women typicalły live 7-10 years longer then men. So when you date/marry an older man you will be a widow for 20-30 years when you are lest desirable, fragile, and dependent on others. So much for the man protecting the one he loves. How can he protect his woman from the grave? Sorry, I’m just friends with too many widows from the Alter & Rosary Society and it breaks my heart to see them in this state.
 
Interesting article, but the thing that’s missing is the simple statement:

You as a teen are not ready for that level of serious commitment. No, you are not ‘mature for your age’ and girls do not mature faster than boys, in general they mature differently. You aren’t ready for this, you are still in fact growing and maturing emotionally and psychologically. The older guy is guilty of taking advantage of you and manipulating you, but that is only true because of the above. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.
 
Amen.

Not to mention the epidemic of lengthy time it creates widows. Women typicalły live 7-10 years longer then men. So when you date/marry an older man you will be a widow for 20-30 years when you are lest desirable, fragile, and dependent on others. So much for the man protecting the one he loves. How can he protect his woman from the grave? Sorry, I’m just friends with too many widows from the Alter & Rosary Society and it breaks my heart to see them in this state.
Well, these are the kinds of things that people need to be thinking about before marriage.
 
Xantippe:

I’m writing this specifically to you because I’m wondering what you think they mean by “lower standards”. I’m hoping that isn’t in reference to a young woman who is 18-19-20ish and has made up her mind to be a stay-at-home, maybe even forgoing the idea of a 4-year college education instead of working in feel-good career for 40+ hours a week because it’s expected.

Also, as a guy, I want to add to the point that before I was married, I dated women in that age range, and the knife cuts both ways. I knew a woman who married young, and I figured if she could, that others could.

In my case, I was quite mistaken, even among women who generally considered themselves good Catholics.

I have to say the experience(s) were disappointing and had an air of immaturity, drama or both.

Finally, I wonder if a good answer to “why I deeply dislike your older boyfriend” is because someone is just jealous they don’t have one. 😛

Too linear, but I couldn’t resist. 😛 😃
 
Xantippe:

I’m writing this specifically to you because I’m wondering what you think they mean by “lower standards”. I’m hoping that isn’t in reference to a young woman who is 18-19-20ish and has made up her mind to be a stay-at-home, maybe even forgoing the idea of a 4-year college education instead of working in feel-good career for 40+ hours a week because it’s expected.
I think what she was saying is that younger women are more likely to tolerate things that they shouldn’t in a boyfriend because they don’t know how to confront him about it and/or fear losing him. Things like being irresponsible, flaky, dishonest, etc. I’ve seen this a lot with older men dating younger women.

And for the record, Xantippe is a SAHM, so I doubt she has a problem with that. What there is a problem with is a girl at the age of 18, 19, or 20 deciding that she’s going to be a SAHM so she doesn’t need to prepare in any way to take care of herself or a family. That’s a childish outlook on her part and doesn’t even signal a readiness for marriage.

For staters, there’s no guarantee that she will marry. But even if the girl does get married that young, she need to be prepared to take care of herself in case her husband dies, or in case he gets sick/laid off/whatever. (Or, you know, in case her young husband can’t support a family on one starter income, as most young people can’t right now.) I don’t think that it’s necessary for a woman who dreams of being a SAHM to blow big bucks on an MBA, but a 2-year nursing program at community college? That’s great. Everyone thinks that “it won’t happen to me”, but as someone who had to take time off of law school because her then-fiance was battling cancer in his 20’s, I can assure you, life can happen to anyone.
 
=BlueEyedLady;12782659]I think what she was saying is that younger women are more likely to tolerate things that they shouldn’t in a boyfriend because they don’t know how to confront him about it and/or fear losing him. Things like being irresponsible, flaky, dishonest, etc. I’ve seen this a lot with older men dating younger women.
Well, I’ve experienced it firsthand. It’s actually a little funny (now that I look back at it) about the nonsense some of these women (18-23ish) thought I would perpetually put with. though I’m sure I probably put up with more of it than I should have, actually. :rolleyes::o
And for the record, Xantippe is a SAHM, so I doubt she has a problem with that.
Then I’d really like to hear her perspective! Oh, and I like hearing from you to. 😃
What there is a problem with is a girl at the age of 18, 19, or 20 deciding that she’s going to be a SAHM so she doesn’t need to prepare in any way to take care of herself or a family. That’s a childish outlook on her part and doesn’t even signal a readiness for marriage.
I agree and disagree. A four-year college education in the West these days is becoming more of a joke unless you’re majoring in a real field that actually can prepare you, otherwise you’re left with a low-paying job PLUS the debt and are worse off than before.

I would never argue that someone should not be prepared. I had a friend who was in her 20s who didn’t have a diploma. She asked me about it, and I said in so many words while she didn’t have anything to prove to me, because I knew she was responsible and capable of holding a decent job (which she was), it’s important to have that piece of paper.
For staters, there’s no guarantee that she will marry. But even if the girl does get married that young, she need to be prepared to take care of herself in case her husband dies, or in case he gets sick/laid off/whatever. (Or, you know, in case her young husband can’t support a family on one starter income, as most young people can’t right now.) I don’t think that it’s necessary for a woman who dreams of being a SAHM to blow big bucks on an MBA, but a 2-year nursing program at community college? That’s great. Everyone thinks that “it won’t happen to me”, but as someone who had to take time off of law school because her then-fiance was battling cancer in his 20’s, I can assure you, life can happen to anyone.
There’s no arguing that. But in some cases, her decision not to work would not be viewed favorably by some, prepared or not.
 
I’m not a big fan of basing relationship decisions off of statistics. Not that they are completely useless, but people are not robots. There are just too many factors to be plugged in, you can’t do it.

Also not a fan of judging a man’s character in this way. Should the same be done for a woman? If so, let’s just go ahead and call her a golddigger right away.
 
I’m not a big fan of basing relationship decisions off of statistics. Not that they are completely useless, but people are not robots. There are just too many factors to be plugged in, you can’t do it.

Also not a fan of judging a man’s character in this way. Should the same be done for a woman? If so, let’s just go ahead and call her a golddigger right away.
Maybe not stats so much but practicality and behavior. If you’re in a relationship that is unusual, and you need to come on the internet and defend it to total strangers, that says something what’s really going on.
 
Well, I’ve experienced it firsthand. It’s actually a little funny (now that I look back at it) about the nonsense some of these women (18-23ish) thought I would perpetually put with. though I’m sure I probably put up with more of it than I should have, actually. :rolleyes::o

Oh it definitely cuts both ways. I’ve seen my older brother and some of my friends date very young girls, and the immaturity is often cringe-worthy. But usually, the nonsense is coming from the fact that she is just a child. Whereas the older man thinks he can be a bit more lazy or lax than he would be with an older woman. Let’s face it, we all tolerate things when we’re younger that we know better about when we’re older. And that’s not just romantically.

Then I’d really like to hear her perspective! Oh, and I like hearing from you to. 😃

I agree and disagree. A four-year college education in the West these days is becoming more of a joke unless you’re majoring in a real field that actually can prepare you, otherwise you’re left with a low-paying job PLUS the debt and are worse off than before.

That’s why I suggested a nursing program at community college. A 4-year degree isn’t exactly a “joke”, but how useful it is depends on no less than 1000 individual factors. But for the sake of this discussion, I feel very comfortable saying that if you don’t see yourself working in a field where you need one, don’t get it. But learn to do something. There are lots of viable options, even outside of manual labor trade school sort of things. A 2-year degree in bookkeeping, web development, database management, hospitality, any number of medical things, and mortuary science will all pay the bills. Or, get a job under a real estate agent, freelance marketer, or graphic designer and learn the business and a skill.

I would never argue that someone should not be prepared. I had a friend who was in her 20s who didn’t have a diploma. She asked me about it, and I said in so many words while she didn’t have anything to prove to me, because I knew she was responsible and capable of holding a decent job (which she was), it’s important to have that piece of paper.

Pretty much. I also think that we need to stop looking down on people who don’t go to college or who take a few years to work and figure out what they want to do before starting college. That’s not a sign of arrested development, it’s a sign of maturity to not invest that kind of time and money until you’re sure it will pay off.

There’s no arguing that. But in some cases, her decision not to work would not be viewed favorably by some, prepared or not.

And if she did work, she’d be accused of “letting strangers raise her children”. You can’t please everyone, so you might as well work to do what is best for you and your family, because that’s all that matters anyway:)
You must have mellowed in recent months, because I find it harder and harder to disagree with you (usually)😛
 
Interesting article, but the thing that’s missing is the simple statement:

You as a teen are not ready for that level of serious commitment. No, you are not ‘mature for your age’ and girls do not mature faster than boys, in general they mature differently. You aren’t ready for this, you are still in fact growing and maturing emotionally and psychologically. The older guy is guilty of taking advantage of you and manipulating you, but that is only true because of the above. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.
I think this is factually correct, but not strategic.

Let me demonstrate.

Pop says: “You as a teen are not ready for that level of serious commitment. No, you are not ‘mature for your age’ and girls do not mature faster than boys, in general they mature differently. You aren’t ready for this, you are still in fact growing and maturing emotionally and psychologically. The older guy is guilty of taking advantage of you and manipulating you, but that is only true because of the above. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.”

Smooth Older Guy says: “You’re so special and so mature!”

Who do we think is going to win that one?

That’s why the approach given in the article (he’s not all that) is helpful.
 
I have been on forums where men say that the older man and younger women is not only good but Biblical as well. Take for example Joseph and Mary. Joseph was in his 30s and Mary was about 14. So a 14 year old girl and a 30 something man is good and Biblical. A man must be older so he can take care of his family while a woman must be younger so she has the freshest supply of eggs, ensuring the healthiest offspring.

For the record this is not my view but some Christian men support this. Women must be married off in their early to midteens. Who cares about education? Their job is to obey their husbands and bear lots of babies.
 
Xantippe:

I’m writing this specifically to you because I’m wondering what you think they mean by “lower standards”. I’m hoping that isn’t in reference to a young woman who is 18-19-20ish and has made up her mind to be a stay-at-home, maybe even forgoing the idea of a 4-year college education instead of working in feel-good career for 40+ hours a week because it’s expected.

**I’ll give you some examples from the relationship I had when I was 19 with a 35-year-old guy. He was interesting to me because he was a recent immigrant from a part of the world I was interested in, had had a bunch of experiences (for instance, he was a veteran of the Soviet Afghan War), and he was pretty smart, but:
  1. he wasn’t Christian
  2. he was sporadically employed
  3. he was living with and on his elderly parents
  4. he didn’t respect my physical boundaries
  5. he expected me, a 19-year-old, to help him do all his resumes and job applications
  6. he was divorced
  7. he had emigrated to a different continent from where his little boy (7 at the time) was living **
**I could go on and on, but I think that’s enough to demonstrate how low my standards were at the time. **

Also, as a guy, I want to add to the point that before I was married, I dated women in that age range, and the knife cuts both ways. I knew a woman who married young, and I figured if she could, that others could.

In my case, I was quite mistaken, even among women who generally considered themselves good Catholics.

I have to say the experience(s) were disappointing and had an air of immaturity, drama or both.

**Right. Young women (and men) are often immature.

I was certainly immature and given to drama as a 19-year-old.

Which is why it would have been a lousy idea for a mid-30s guy to marry me.
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Finally, I wonder if a good answer to “why I deeply dislike your older boyfriend” is because someone is just jealous they don’t have one. 😛

Too linear, but I couldn’t resist. 😛 😃
Read the whole thing.
 
I think this is factually correct, but not strategic.

Let me demonstrate.

Pop says: “You as a teen are not ready for that level of serious commitment. No, you are not ‘mature for your age’ and girls do not mature faster than boys, in general they mature differently. You aren’t ready for this, you are still in fact growing and maturing emotionally and psychologically. The older guy is guilty of taking advantage of you and manipulating you, but that is only true because of the above. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.”

Smooth Older Guy says: “You’re so special and so mature!”

Who do we think is going to win that one?

That’s why the approach given in the article (he’s not all that) is helpful.
Is it the right approach because he really isn’t “all that” or is it the right approach because it works, even if it’s not truthful?
 
Amen.

Not to mention the epidemic of lengthy time it creates widows. Women typicalły live 7-10 years longer then men. So when you date/marry an older man you will be a widow for 20-30 years when you are lest desirable, fragile, and dependent on others. So much for the man protecting the one he loves. How can he protect his woman from the grave? Sorry, I’m just friends with too many widows from the Alter & Rosary Society and it breaks my heart to see them in this state.
There is nothing new about this. In the past, men died even younger relative to women, for a number of reasons.

Women should be prepared if necessary to have a life of their own when it becomes necessary, not expect to have a male partner right up until the end.

The older man/younger woman pattern is a time-tested arrangement, and Saint Joseph and the BVM are believed by many to have been such a couple.

What is innovative is the high-school sweetheart stereotype of two people falling in love at the same age.

ICXC NIKA.
 
OK, I’m still trying to figure this out. Either he’s a jerk, or he’s not. If he’s not, then who cares if he’s older? If he is, then… again, who cares if he’s older?

You know if people based these decisions on statistics alone, then no woman in the United States should date a black man… because they’re statistically more likely to commit crimes than non-black men. Of course, in reality, men and women are not statistics and so this information is close to useless. What is the difference between using that as a determinant and using age as a determinant?
 
I think what she was saying is that younger women are more likely to tolerate things that they shouldn’t in a boyfriend because they don’t know how to confront him about it and/or fear losing him. Things like being irresponsible, flaky, dishonest, etc. I’ve seen this a lot with older men dating younger women.

**Right.

Plus, one often doesn’t have the tools or experience to evaluate a person from a different age group.
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And for the record, Xantippe is a SAHM, so I doubt she has a problem with that. What there is a problem with is a girl at the age of 18, 19, or 20 deciding that she’s going to be a SAHM so she doesn’t need to prepare in any way to take care of herself or a family. That’s a childish outlook on her part and doesn’t even signal a readiness for marriage.

Right.

For staters, there’s no guarantee that she will marry. But even if the girl does get married that young, she need to be prepared to take care of herself in case her husband dies, or in case he gets sick/laid off/whatever. (Or, you know, in case her young husband can’t support a family on one starter income, as most young people can’t right now.) I don’t think that it’s necessary for a woman who dreams of being a SAHM to blow big bucks on an MBA, but a 2-year nursing program at community college? That’s great. Everyone thinks that “it won’t happen to me”, but as someone who had to take time off of law school because her then-fiance was battling cancer in his 20’s, I can assure you, life can happen to anyone.
Right.

And even just a 2-year AA degree will mean that even if she starts SAHM-ing at 20, she’ll have way more to offer her future children when they are in school. K-12 is really HARD these days.

Once you start having kids, it’s really hard to do anything else, so it’s a really good idea to acquire some basic tools when you still have a lot of free time.
 
I’m not a big fan of basing relationship decisions off of statistics. Not that they are completely useless, but people are not robots. There are just too many factors to be plugged in, you can’t do it.

**That’s basically what the author of the article I posted said–there can be safe, healthy, respectful relationships between an older guy and a young woman, but it requires more scrutiny than a relationship between peers. **

Also not a fan of judging a man’s character in this way. Should the same be done for a woman? If so, let’s just go ahead and call her a golddigger right away.
 
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