Why I enjoy church hopping

[elvisman]

Elvisman, darling. I think you’re being a bit over-zealous here. From what I have read the OP IS a faithful Catholic who also enjoys spending time with our separated brethren. There is NO reason, so long as he attends Mass faithfully, why he shouldn’t attend other worship services throughout the week. That is no reason to bar him from the Eucharist, presuming he’s adequately prepared himself to do that. He’s a smart guy (naming himself after the son who “R-U-N-N O-F-T”, came to himself, and was the guest of honor at his homecoming party, very smart indeed!) and I daresay he’ll recognize a teaching at odds with Catholicism if/ when he hears it. If he’s not there to correct the misconceptions, who’s going to do it? He isn’t waffling, being blown about by every wind of doctrine.

There is still a great deal of truth about Jesus Christ being taught in non-Catholic churches. My own husband observed as he was going through RCIA last year that he didn’t have to change any of his core beliefs to embrace Catholicism! They believe in God, the Father Almighty maker of Heaven and earth, they believe Christ is the 2nd person in the Holy Trinity, born of a Virgin, who suffered and died on a cross, rising from the dead on the third day in fulfillment of the Scriptures, they believe in the Holy Spirit who breathes life into our souls and convicts us of sin.

If spending every night of the week in worship is what God has called him to, who are any of us to tell him not to do that?

Go and read all of his posts (on this and other threads) and tell me he’s a “faithful” Catholic.

I don’t want to get into a “spitting” contest with you over Prodigalson, but if you read his posts, you’ll see where he’s coming from. God doesn’t call anybody to confusion.

When you belong to the Catholic Church - you are not to go “searching” for the “truth” in another Church. The Catholic church is the fullness of the Gospel. I never said that you can’t find partial truth elsewhere. You can find parts of truth in Buddhism, Islam, Hindusim, Paganism and all the Protestant denominations - but it doesn’t mean that you should shop there.

Anyway, as a convert, I hope that you can see what I’m saying.

 

[humble_in_doubt]

Hop over to the church of nothing … it’s the best church of all. No quibbling about whose god is “the god” or whose church is “the church” … no “the devil made me do it”

You did it … so suck it up and drive on. No one made you do it, whether good or bad. It’s called “reality”

 

[Steven_John]

As usual - I don’t really understand what you’re talking about. No offense, but your sentence structure is very fractured - to say the least.

None taken we have discussed this many times

As for my comment about having a real relationship with God - I meant it.

I know you did, but you have inferred other people do not have a real relationship. All relationships with God are real. You may do better to explain your position as suggesting people are not having a relationship in the fullness the Catholic church has to offer.
You have also suggested people try one.
This can not be done, God calls people to have relationships with Him.
Again f you speak for the Catholic Church as you claim show me where you got TRY, scripture or Church teaching other wise at best you can say in my personal opinoin.

The Church is the visible Body that Jesus left for us. It contains the fullness of the Gospel because it is the custodian of the deposit of the Christian faith (John 16:13-15, 2 Tim. 1:14).

Never i have i spoken against this scripture in this thread.

What you and Progidalson12 pass off as being deeply rooted in the Gospel is nonsense.

Please quote where i passed of some thing as deeply rooted in scripture. I think you are adding to me words i have not spoken maybe in an effort to avoid answering questions i asked of you.

Neither of you is willing to make the committment to settle down and belong to Christ’s Church. To put it plainly - you’re playing with fire and it’s dangerous, not to mention extremely spiritually immature.

So you say, what i am doing is what our PP and our Bishop asked us to do. You really need to understand the Catholic Church better. Bishops and PP’s are placed as community leaders by its teaching. It is not good for communities to be against them.

As for your allegations about the Church not allowing people to read the Bible in past centuries - it’s preposterous. That’s yet another example of why I said you don’t know what you’re talking about.

i said

In days of old most laity could not have or read scripture. This would have been because some were interpreting Church actions against scripture. Some Church interpretations against the truth. This has not changed but the church has, today Catholics are encouraged to read scripture.

This is true, please dont manipulate the context of these words.
Pope Gregory IX, Anno. in 1229
Pope Pius IX, in his encyclical Quanta Cura

And at other times, this has been taken out of context by many in the Catholic church, we still have parishioners today that hold to their upbringing that it is not there place to seek God in scripture.

As for the earth being flat or round - that has nothing to do with faith and morals. THAT’s where she does not err. It has to do with science. The Church can and has been wrong about scientific theories. That’s why she usually leaves these matters to science.

I was not discussing morals, i offered this as how the Church did interpret scripture and does now. This shows Her Humility. In contrast to yours. Given you claim to speak for Her and not for you.

You keep speaking of your “parish” and “RCIA” as if you’re a Catholic. That is not what your profile says. ARE you a Catholic? Do you belong to the Catholic Church? My guess is that you are a Muslim. They tend to use “PBWH” after each mention of Jesus.

We have been over this and over this, i have qualified the “my” and “our” parish statement back many posts ago.
I have a quite clear statement of faith here and qualified it many posts ago.

You seem to have real trouble with it.
A bit more of my life story may help you, as you are determined to judge me and guess about me rather than working with what i tell you.

…

 

[Steven_John]

I was born to a Catholic family baptised as a babe and have made sacraments as my life progressed.
I have and Aunty who is a Good Samaritan Nun.
Had an Uncle who was a Christian Brother.
I go to mass about four times a week.
Give more than 10% of my income to the Parish and our priests sustination fund.
I am a Vincentian.
I am very involved in our Diocesan planning and annual assembly.
I am not a Knight of the Southern Cross but do help these guys in many of their works.
I lead a prayer group in our parish.
I am part of a rosary group.
I tutor one of our nuns in computer literacy.

The list goes on but i Pray by now you can accept I am where I am and make a faith statement as a truth.

None of that list matters, If anyone sees me good I am quick to tell them Only God is good and I am a sinning servant.

Now 9 years ago our Dioceses developed a 10 point strategic plan one of these points is Inter faith and Ecumenical activity.

Living this, is the core of your issue with me.

I say you have issues with the Catholic Church not me.

You have issue with my faith statement, I make it in truth, as the commandants teach I am not to bear false witness. Again i do not fully know the teachings of the Catholic Church. A position you have taken issue with me from both angles. I say i don’t fully understand and state i aspire. You take issue with this then bag me offering i dont know enough.
Do you not see the contradiction in you?

YOU SAY

To put it plainly - you’re playing with fire and it’s dangerous, not to mention extremely spiritually immature.

This is against my Bishop and my PP broadly against the Catholic Church.

May i suggest in kindness as our posts are going no where you might be spiritually immature.

I have inferred you maybe like David (pbuh) throwing rocks at Goliath, may God forgive me.

I now consider yo maybe throwing rocks at Gods people.

The Catholic church is Humble, read Vatican II.

Gone are the days when Catholics can not enter buildings of or pray with other denominations.

It is time to be like Yahooshua (pbwh) was to Legion.

May Yahweh see your zeal for The House and drive from you the enemy that held the Sadducees and Pharisees that did not love the lost as Yahooshua (pbwh) does.

 

[Steven_John]

Dear Elvis,
you have dodged most of my questions here. I tire of you much now.

I have told you lots of what I see God has called me to do, far from the lot, as you know little, almost nothing of my outreach experience from these posts.

These posts have focused on your attitude toward your brothers the prodigal sons wanting to come home to the Father House.

Tell what God has told you I should do different.

Tell what the Catholic Church says I should do different.

 

[Steven_John]

Hop over to the church of nothing … it’s the best church of all.

Nothing speaks for itself.

No quibbling about whose god is “the god” or whose church is “the church” …

Same in the true church, the difference here is despite your encouraging people to fight, they should continue to try to assist each other to grow and bring about more good rather than nothing.

You did it … so suck it up and drive on. No one made you do it, whether good or bad. It’s called “reality”

I doubt you will find many here who would deny actions good or bad have real consequences.
People here will also “drive on”, but not with nothing from the experience.

you wont find many here that will argue they are not responsible for their actions. Unlike the nothing people who would be responsible for nothing the people here should be working and responsible to build up good in everything.

They should work to discern how to make good in the future rather than the bad and “drive on” for sure but in hope of good not forward to more nothing.

 

[Steven_John]

If the words “seek and you shall find” have truth and you seek nothing you may find nothing.

If you still find something good it will be due to grace of Goodness as it was not what you sought.

Seek and you will find is both part of Religion and the secular world. Both teach this.

Are you resolved to the church of nothing or are you as your name, in doubt?

Are you here to troll?

I have PM you and offered to chat personally or to participate in a new thread if you want to start one.

 

[prodigalson12]

Steve, I hope eventually you’ll see how pointless it is to debate with the likes of him, his world revolves around hurling insults, playing a game of holier then though, and in general, giving the Catholic church a horrible representation. It’s sad really, thinking he’s earning his way to salvation when it comes down to it.

You and I have a thirst that is unquenchable, coming from the strong Catholic background we have, there is little chance of these denominations making a permanent “anti catholic” mark on us, they are outgunned when it comes down to it. Haven’t you ever noticed, when ever one of those doorknockers that are trying to suck people into their cults, tend to back down the moment you tell them you are Catholic? They do so knowing how strong too many of their members are within their faith and loyalty to the church, this is precisely why I have no fear when it comes to fellowship with Protestants. I like to think I’m adding onto their congregation in a rich way, I guess, in a Catholic manner. It’s cool to be able to do this, I very much sense a large degree of stand off ishness from too many Protestants when it comes down to the Catholic church, like it’s almost unaproachable, and the troll is perpetuating that myth, I, and I’m sure like you are doing their best to dispel it.

It was cool this weekend, attended mass twice, and two seperate protestant denominations, all 4 times, Acts was read correctly, all 4 times, the sermons were spot on and different. I’m enjoying the mix, one service a day simply isn’t enough for me at times, so that’s one huge element I’m still church hopping. I could have squeezed in a couple of others this weekend as well, and perhaps, some day’s I’ll have some marathon series of them crammed int one day for further inspiration.

You are starting to also see, there is a counter force in place with individuals who insist upon alienating everybody, keeping them in isolation and apart insures constant useless conflict. They will do everything they can, even if it means lying, deceiving, stretching the truth, out right fabrications, etc. just as long as they get their way, they can care less of the damage they inflict., These are not things from the Father, and if they are not from the Father, who are they from indeed…

Steve, if you follow my lead here, ignoring him is the best coarse of action, there is no reasoning with him at all, his only purpose here is to put down others that do not fit into his mold, because he understands not where they come from. Seriously, I do think he needs medication, the only time I’ve encountered people like that, they were on it, usually in high doses…

 

[humble_in_doubt]

Are you talking about me??? I’m not in a cult … I’m an atheist, duh!!!

When I said the church of nothing I was joking around (even if it was a bad joke in poor taste, not saying it was … but even if it was, it was still obviously a joke). And oh … all you’re I’m a hard core unmovable Catholic rant, OK … good for you. I’m glad you’re a good Catholic (better than being a bad Catholic, or a bad anything, I suppose).

Thinking I’m here to convert you but you can take all the devil dishes out is surely a deluded world view; but at any rate dude I could care less what you believe or don’t believe. You like being Catholic, then be Catholic? In fact be a super catholic, enjoy religion while it’s still around I guess (if it floats your boat). I know what you’re thinking, we’ve survived 2,000 years, urrrr. However, it was 2,000 primitive years in human existence. Science will eventually make religion obsolete, since religion, well, just isn’t true!

 

[Steven_John]

Dear Prodicalson12
I love Elvis man very much.

I am very impressed by his zeal.

If he slows down a little we can all do great things together.

For me it is not to give up on any Brother, I respect it is not the same for you.

My Father does not give up on me nor did Yahooshua (pbwh), he went all the way.
Pray Brother that Yahweh give us all including Brother Elvis man the same strength, although i do not deserve it.

Glad your weekend was blessed, I pray it blessed others.

At the last supper Yahooshua (pbwh) prayed we be united, this day is with us we just need to reach a little further to see it fully.

 

[Steven_John]

Are you talking about me??? I’m not in a cult … I’m an atheist, duh!!!

When I said the church of nothing I was joking around (even if it was a bad joke in poor taste, not saying it was … but even if it was, it was still obviously a joke). And oh … all you’re I’m a hard core unmovable Catholic rant, OK … good for you. I’m glad you’re a good Catholic (better than being a bad Catholic, or a bad anything, I suppose).

Thinking I’m here to convert you but you can take all the devil dishes out is surely a deluded world view; but at any rate dude I could care less what you believe or don’t believe. You like being Catholic, then be Catholic? In fact be a super catholic, enjoy religion while it’s still around I guess (if it floats your boat). I know what you’re thinking, we’ve survived 2,000 years, urrrr. However, it was 2,000 primitive years in human existence. Science will eventually make religion obsolete, since religion, well, just isn’t true!

Dear Humble in doubt,
it was least at you and most at the words, it was an opportunity to make a point about building goodness.

I did not really think you were not about doing good just those words you choose. “the church of nothing”.

You know lots about religions you must see why i could not resist.
Given your “take the gloves of post” thought you would be ok with what i said. You gotta admit it worked well for explaining the direction of many religions.

Hope you can forgive me for getting you fired up.

If you have read my posts and the other in response you will see i am not called to spout Catholic pride. Dont even claim to be one, just went into detail to help Elvis man, my post about what i do in the Catholic Church was given in great reluctance as it has no real bearing on what i post.

I can actually accept your atheist, not all are called.

I asked if you were a Troll because of your posts in this thread, you have suggested we don’t hold back and have a go at each other and your last post had nothing to do with the content of the posts and was just your reflection on our poor behaviour.

Nope was not thinking i survived 2000 years was more concerned if i would survive this thread without making a mess. I aint reeel good with words.

Science will eventually make religion obsolete, since religion, well, just isn’t true!

Yes for you if you like, Yahoosha (pbwh) taught if you have enough faith you will move a mountain into an ocean. This is also a teaching in the secular world.

So again there is no reason i see you wont get what you want.

I’m an atheist, duh!

Sorry most atheists i have met have great resolve the name you use here suggests doubt. That is why i considered you otherwise.

religion, well, just isn’t true!

forgetting you did not mean to speak of being in a nothing church, did my response speak truth?

 

[prodigalson12]

Are you talking about me??? I’m not in a cult … I’m an atheist, duh!!!

When I said the church of nothing I was joking around (even if it was a bad joke in poor taste, not saying it was … but even if it was, it was still obviously a joke). And oh … all you’re I’m a hard core unmovable Catholic rant, OK … good for you. I’m glad you’re a good Catholic (better than being a bad Catholic, or a bad anything, I suppose).

Thinking I’m here to convert you but you can take all the devil dishes out is surely a deluded world view; but at any rate dude I could care less what you believe or don’t believe. You like being Catholic, then be Catholic? In fact be a super catholic, enjoy religion while it’s still around I guess (if it floats your boat). I know what you’re thinking, we’ve survived 2,000 years, urrrr. However, it was 2,000 primitive years in human existence. Science will eventually make religion obsolete, since religion, well, just isn’t true!

Humble, no, I was not talking about you… wow, just wow that you thought I was, it really speaks for yourself here…

 

[humble_in_doubt]

Humble, no, I was not talking about you… wow, just wow that you thought I was, it really speaks for yourself here…

I guess I really did place the idiot cap on my head huh? Apologies (I guess I’ve been berated so intensely I’m garnering somewhat of a complex)

 

[humble_in_doubt]

Dear Humble in doubt,
it was least at you and most at the words, it was an opportunity to make a point about building goodness.

I did not really think you were not about doing good just those words you choose. “the church of nothing”.

You know lots about religions you must see why i could not resist.
Given your “take the gloves of post” thought you would be ok with what i said. You gotta admit it worked well for explaining the direction of many religions.

Hope you can forgive me for getting you fired up.

bro … no worries. I’m not the getting fired up over internet discussion type (after all the **** I’ve been through in life … you folks are entertaining to talk to, even if you’all occasionally berate me, since let’s face it I’m a grown up with a non-traditional opinion on things, so I’d be stupid to think others won’t try and hammer me at least once in a while).

I asked if you were a Troll because of your posts in this thread, you have suggested we don’t hold back and have a go at each other and your last post had nothing to do with the content of the posts and was just your reflection on our poor behaviour.

what is a troll really? Wouldn’t everyone here fit the common definition (think about it)?

Nope was not thinking i survived 2000 years was more concerned if i would survive this thread without making a mess. I aint reeel good with words.

are you a native English speaker?

Yes for you if you like, Yahoosha (pbwh) taught if you have enough faith you will move a mountain into an ocean. This is also a teaching in the secular world.

well, Yahoosha (whomever the heck that is … not a new religion, geesh) was full of ****. Just try and actually move a mountain into an ocean … you will undoubtedly be immensely disappointed.

So again there is no reason i see you wont get what you want.

I’m pretty greedy … so I doubt I’ll get everything I want, but here’s for hoping right?

Sorry most atheists i have met have great resolve the name you use here suggests doubt. That is why i considered you otherwise.

what’s in a name anyway?

forgetting you did not mean to speak of being in a nothing church, did my response speak truth?

I don’t want to answer this question at risk of ticking you off (since you seem like a nice person). Let’s just say I’m very confident in my personal perspective on religion.

 

[Steven_John]

bro … no worries. I’m not the getting fired up over internet discussion type (after all the **** I’ve been through in life … you folks are entertaining to talk to, even if you’all occasionally berate me, since let’s face it I’m a grown up with a non-traditional opinion on things, so I’d be stupid to think others won’t try and hammer me at least once in a while).

what is a troll really? Wouldn’t everyone here fit the common definition (think about it)?

I have pondered the same LOL

are you a native English speaker?
Sadly yes did not go well at school it was a bad experience.

well, Yahooshua (whomever the heck that is … not a new religion, geesh) was full of ****. Just try and actually move a mountain into an ocean … you will undoubtedly be immensely disappointed.
Yahooshua is Jesus (pbwh).

****You know where i live we have reclaimed much land by using some mountains near by.
I get lots from scripture reading it from a “how can this be true” rather than “how its not”.

I am not total literalist about scripture, moving mountains into the ocean was a big project and took confidence to make it happen. I dont take the scripture to be like tv where the lady wobbles her nose and ta da the mountain is in the ocean.

This is not an exciting truth from scripture as it is now land reclamation well practiced and seen. But applying the same principal of “how can this be true” in reading scripture as a patient non testing man reveals some corkers that helped me satisfy my want you speak of below and i do mean literally having more****

I’m pretty greedy … so I doubt I’ll get everything I want, but here’s for hoping right?

what’s in a name anyway?
I agree and have debated the same, but we associate to the character of a person to their name. So when we are introduced to people names that are descriptive can cloud the person we talk to. Its my weakness in not treating people as individual i guess.

I don’t want to answer this question at risk of ticking you off (since you seem like a nice person). Let’s just say I’m very confident in my personal perspective on religion.
Ok peace or confidence as you put it can be evidence of being right with God, no offense in saying this, agreeing with you but speaking from my perspective.

Be blessed

 

[elvisman]

Steve, I hope eventually you’ll see how pointless it is to debate with the likes of him, his world revolves around hurling insults, playing a game of holier then though, and in general, giving the Catholic church a horrible representation. It’s sad really, thinking he’s earning his way to salvation when it comes down to it.

You and I have a thirst that is unquenchable, coming from the strong Catholic background we have, there is little chance of these denominations making a permanent “anti catholic” mark on us, they are outgunned when it comes down to it. Haven’t you ever noticed, when ever one of those doorknockers that are trying to suck people into their cults, tend to back down the moment you tell them you are Catholic? They do so knowing how strong too many of their members are within their faith and loyalty to the church, this is precisely why I have no fear when it comes to fellowship with Protestants. I like to think I’m adding onto their congregation in a rich way, I guess, in a Catholic manner. It’s cool to be able to do this, I very much sense a large degree of stand off ishness from too many Protestants when it comes down to the Catholic church, like it’s almost unaproachable, and the troll is perpetuating that myth, I, and I’m sure like you are doing their best to dispel it.

It was cool this weekend, attended mass twice, and two seperate protestant denominations, all 4 times, Acts was read correctly, all 4 times, the sermons were spot on and different. I’m enjoying the mix, one service a day simply isn’t enough for me at times, so that’s one huge element I’m still church hopping. I could have squeezed in a couple of others this weekend as well, and perhaps, some day’s I’ll have some marathon series of them crammed int one day for further inspiration.

You are starting to also see, there is a counter force in place with individuals who insist upon alienating everybody, keeping them in isolation and apart insures constant useless conflict. They will do everything they can, even if it means lying, deceiving, stretching the truth, out right fabrications, etc. just as long as they get their way, they can care less of the damage they inflict., These are not things from the Father, and if they are not from the Father, who are they from indeed…

Steve, if you follow my lead here, ignoring him is the best coarse of action, there is no reasoning with him at all, his only purpose here is to put down others that do not fit into his mold, because he understands not where they come from. Seriously, I do think he needs medication, the only time I’ve encountered people like that, they were on it, usually in high doses…

The really pathetic thing here is how you accuse people of mental illness and mud-slinging simply because they disagree with you. How very sad.
The ultimate** tragedy****, though, is that you actually consider yourself to be a strong Catholic. If you were – you would embrace the Church – instead of practicing spiritual infidelity against her.**

My hope is that someday you’ll grow up spiritually.

 

[elvisman]

I know you did, but you have inferred other people do not have a real relationship. All relationships with God are real. You may do better to explain your position as suggesting people are not having a relationship in the fullness the Catholic church has to offer.

You have also suggested people try one.
This can not be done, God calls people to have relationships with Him.
Again f you speak for the Catholic Church as you claim show me where you got TRY, scripture or Church teaching other wise at best you can say in my personal opinoin.

Apparently, you didn’t read my last post (#115) where I addressed this. Read it and respond – or move on.

Never i have i spoken against this scripture in this thread.

You speak against it every single time**** you advocate being Catholic yet going elsewhere to find the “truth”.**

Please quote where i passed of some thing as deeply rooted in scripture. I think you are adding to me words i have not spoken maybe in an effort to avoid answering questions i asked of you.

You have misunderstood what I said. You both claim to be deeply rooted in scripture, which is complete nonsense. Your actions show that your both very confused and don’t have a grasp on what the scriptures have to say about truth.

So you say, what i am doing is what our PP and our Bishop asked us to do. You really need to understand the Catholic Church better. Bishops and PP’s are placed as community leaders by its teaching. It is not good for communities to be against them.

Your Priest and Bishop told you to frequent Protestant Churches to find the truth? I think you are either lying or you are very, very** confused****.**

This is true, please dont manipulate the context of these words.

Pope Gregory IX, Anno. in 1229
Pope Pius IX, in his encyclical Quanta Cura

And at other times, this has been taken out of context by many in the Catholic church, we still have parishioners today that hold to their upbringing that it is not there place to seek God in scripture.

**Again – this is nonsense. The edicts about not reading scripture in centuries past were two-fold. First of all, the Church was trying to squelch confusion caused by uneducated or otherwise spiritually prideful and rebellious individuals who would lead others away from the truth – based on their ****twisting **of scripture. This is precisely what happened as a result of the Protestant Reformation.

I was not discussing morals, i offered this as how the Church did interpret scripture and does now. This shows Her Humility. In contrast to yours. Given you claim to speak for Her and not for you.

I don’t speak FOR the Church, in that, I am not her sole representative. I speak what the Church teaches – and you and Prodigalson12 are sinking in a mire of spiritual confusion.

We have been over this and over this, i have qualified the “my” and “our” parish statement back many posts ago.

I have a quite clear statement of faith here and qualified it many posts ago.
You seem to have real trouble with it.
A bit more of my life story may help you, as you are determined to judge me and guess about me rather than working with what i tell you.

You have never been clear about what your religious affiliation is. You have been very vague about it – for whatever reason.

 

[elvisman]

Dear Elvis,
you have dodged most of my questions here. I tire of you much now.

Name one.

 

[prodigalson12]

The really pathetic thing here is how you accuse people of mental illness and mud-slinging simply because they disagree with you. How very sad.
The ultimate** tragedy****, though, is that you actually consider yourself to be a strong Catholic. If you were – you would embrace the Church – instead of practicing spiritual infidelity against her.**

My hope is that someday you’ll grow up spiritually.

I go to mass on a regular basis, I follow what the church teaches us, how is it I am not embracing it??? I also enjoy fellowship with the protestants, this just bugs you, you just are so disturbed over it, you belittle my faith in general over it. This is NOT spiritual iinfidelity, in your mind it is, but that is only in your mind, it’s not a fact and it’s only you and you alone I disagree with.

That cup of yours may appear spotless on the outside, yet clearly with what you are posting, the inside is unclean. Your stance is insulting to the protestants, you are winning zero converts over in fact are creating a larger divide in the process. Your stance is only meant to trip me up, of which I am not going to follow into your trap.

I’m awaiting to see how much of what I just posted, you manage to twist around and turn into lies yet again, this will be interesting, and par for the course. My relationship with the Holy Spirit trancends the church itself, any church when it comes down to it, and if I could give you just a moment of what I experience, you would be changing your ways and you would very much never take the actions as you do now. I have to rebuke you because you are justifying your actions because you are wrong, out right wrong. I don’t rebuke unless I am forced to, but you leave me no choice.

 

[elvisman]

I go to mass on a regular basis, I follow what the church teaches us, how is it I am not embracing it??? I also enjoy fellowship with the protestants, this just bugs you, you just are so disturbed over it, you belittle my faith in general over it. This is NOT spiritual iinfidelity, in your mind it is, but that is only in your mind, it’s not a fact and it’s only you and you alone I disagree with.

That cup of yours may appear spotless on the outside, yet clearly with what you are posting, the inside is unclean. Your stance is insulting to the protestants, you are winning zero converts over in fact are creating a larger divide in the process. Your stance is only meant to trip me up, of which I am not going to follow into your trap.

I’m awaiting to see how much of what I just posted, you manage to twist around and turn into lies yet again, this will be interesting, and par for the course. My relationship with the Holy Spirit trancends the church itself, any church when it comes down to it, and if I could give you just a moment of what I experience, you would be changing your ways and you would very much never take the actions as you do now. I have to rebuke you because you are justifying your actions because you are wrong, out right wrong. I don’t rebuke unless I am forced to, but you leave me no choice.

For a guy who promises to ignore my posts - you sure are argumentative.
You said the same to humble_in_doubt, yet continue to argue with him as well.

As for your relationship transcending the church - how is that possible?
Are you not part of the Body of Christ, of which he is the Head?

Didn’t Jesus identify his very self with the Church in Acts 9:4-5 when he asked Saul, “Why are you persecuting ME?”, when speaking of his Church?
How can you transcend the Church?
Read about what the Body of Christ is in 1 Cor. 12:12-31 and then tell me how you can transcend the Body of Christ.

I’m not judgemental or mentally ill - as you have accused me. I am pointing out that you are wrong according to the Word of God - and you can’t handle it.