Really? this person is living in sin and you are condoning it?Its ok to be homosexual and partake in homosexual acts? May I remind you that Jesus is quite clear in Matthew 12:36-37 "I tell you on the day of judgement people will have to render an account for every careless word we speak by your words we will be acquitted and by your words we will be condemned " She needs our prayers of course ,not be able to cope with being a homosexual . That is a choice she made . Its a cross she chooses to carry . This liberal Catholic thought needs to stop .Seriously? I mean really? I think some homosexuals might, might have a degree of choice over their innate desires, but these are people more often who identify as “bisexual”…most homosexuals do not chose their innate sexual orientation any more than you and I choose to be straight, we are who we are.
But more to the point, this is a decidedly unnecessary post. Raacoin is to be prayed for, lifted up, and encouraged for this heavy cross she is bearing, not given a lecture. I think as a lesbian woman, she probably has a good deal more insight into what it really is like to be a lesbian than you or I do.
Raacoin, thank you for your testimony, it is encouraging for all to hear of someone who has such a love and desire for Christ and his Church as to overcome such a difficult personal obstacle to faith that your orientation proves to be for many others who have SSA. I will pray for your continued strength, and your joy and peace in the Lord!
I mean they choose to be homosexual .
May God Bless you also. Thank you.
Defender1: Looks like you are referring to me. According to the teaching of the Catholic Church of which Benedict the sixteenth is Supreme Pontiff, I am not living in sin. Yes, I experience SSA. No, I do not have sexual relations with anyone. OOps I lied,I do at times “live in sin”, but sexual sin is not one of them. The cross I choose to carry is to unite all difficulties in my life to the Cross of Jesus. I don’t believe that is "liberal " Catholic thought, just Catholic.
I realize that I brought up both . Now instead of putting a spin on what I said let me explain . Bad upbringing led the individual to making this poor choice to be a homosexual and engage in homosexual acts . Let me tell you what the Bible says which is backed by the church about those taking part in homosexual acts : Gen 19:1-4 The story of Sodom and Gomorrah is a clear example of God’s disliking towards homosexual acts . And so you spin this let me give a a quote so you know that homosexual acts is what went on there " Where are the men who came to your house tonight?Bring them out so that we may have intimacies with them " .Lets turn to Leviticus 18:22 “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman : such a thing is an abomination .” Lets turn to 1Cor 6:9-10 and 1Tim 1:10 both say that sodomites are not to inherit the kingdom . Now some may see "She is a lesbian not a male homosexual . " Are we saying that God has a double standard here? WE are allowed to have female homosexuals but not male homosexuals?That of course not cannot be the case . Now this liberal Catholic thought is getting ridiculous .
First off let me say that I just read your longer message . I did not mean to come off as a rude hateful person . I will pray that you dont go off the neighbor lol. Have a great 4th of July , Frankie
Has it ever even crossed your mind that you may be wrong? Entirely wrong?
Thanks for the prayer! You didn’t come off (to me,anyway) as rude and hateful.Just as someone passionate about the faith, as I am too.Happy fourth to you too, and lets give thanks to God together that we are in a country where we can have these conversations about faith. May God Bless you and yours, RAA.
That’s for sure!
…Such seekers ^ will not announce that they will never do this, never do that, or even believe that privately. For to do such is to close off the action of the Spirit. Thus, those who believe they will (or can) “never” forgive so-and-so for doing such-and-such permanently devastating action upon them, will, if they are truly open to the Spirit, find that forgiveness is not impossible. Those people like myself who said once that I would “never” have children, were surprised that my assumptions could be changed, once I became open. I could not have predicted or anticipated that ahead of time, had I relied on my long-standing assumptions of what was and was not “possible.”
to your first point:That’s for sure!
(Although I’m not sure who would be suggesting otherwise.) Is there someone on this thread who is suggesting that?
A point in this statement, though that conflicts with a previous statement of yours ("Ain’t doing ___; ain’t doing _____ “-- end of discussion”)
When we are
…Such seekers ^ will not announce that they will never do this, never do that, or even believe that privately. For to do such is to close off the action of the Spirit. Thus, those who believe they will (or can) “never” forgive so-and-so for doing such-and-such permanently devastating action upon them, will, if they are truly open to the Spirit, find that forgiveness is not impossible. Those people like myself who said once that I would “never” have children, were surprised that my assumptions could be changed, once I became open. I could not have predicted or anticipated that ahead of time, had I relied on my long-standing assumptions of what was and was not “possible.”
Thank you and I pray with you for them.
Do you know any actual homosexuals? Anyone who has experimented with homosexuality? Not only does what you’re saying not match what science has learned, but what you’re saying does not fit the people I know. Even if it were true here and there (I’m not convinced of that, but let’s allow the possibility), it certainly is not always true. Knowing them growing up, you could tell they were different, but what they struggled with wasn’t a thing that their parents did to them. Even the heterosexual who experiment with homosexuality (the ones that I know) don’t have their parents treatment of them to trace it to. They were treated the same as their siblings who had no desire in that direction at all.
I’m sorry but you have absolutely no intimate knowledge to be able to discern what you proclaim. The influence of our parents on us, is for all of us, a complex phenomenon, one which does not become apparent in the short term, necessarily, and which we tend to work out – positively, negatively,and neutrally – over time in our own childhood and adulthood. In fact, we are affected by all of our relationships, but no more true is that than the intimate relationships (including with siblings) within our birth family, with “issues” being replayed and worked out, for some people, until death. This is the primary and primordial “laboratory” which forms our self-concept.
Well, think what that means is that everyone is given, or allowed by God to experience, some trials in life. There are those with lifelong disabilities, with lifelong body image issues, with depression, with a proclivity to addictions, etc. All are not called to live a worry and problem free life, but rather to bear up under the weight of whatever pains they are called to carry. SSA would be a heavy weight to carry indeed. Hope that helps explain it.
As you have identified yourself as an atheist, and based on your comment, I can assume with reasonable certainty that you don’t read the Bible much. If your comment wasn’t tounge in cheek…
