Why I kind of hope for legalization of "multiple partner marriage," i.e. polygamy, and other expanded definitions

[Faithdancer]

Marriage has one definition only.
Ed

From the standpoint of God, yes, of course. However in our society one will quickly be embroiled in an argument, called a hater, a bigot, etc. if one argues that. So, I’ve started using the term holy matrimony to define what we agree on as marriage. If a same sex couple ever told me they are “married,” I would probably rejoin with, “Is that what you call it?” Then I would explain what holy matrimony is, if they would care to listen.

Again, I think the homosexualist agenda doesn’t end with a SCOTUS decision. They want to be able to force any minister, priest or rabbi to “marry” them, or face a ruinous lawsuit. That is because they serve Satan, and Satan is satisfied with nothing less than total degradation and ruin and the abject humbling of believers.

 

[Faithdancer]

If orthodox/conservative Catholics really settled down, had 3-7 kids, home-schooled them or sent them to a reputable school and REALLY raised them Catholic, we could take the world by storm in a few generations.

That would indeed be wonderful, but is it realistic?

If supporting gay “marriage” ever stopped being cool, especially in lieu of something like sharia law, I suspect its support would drop like a rock.

I don’t see it so much as a matter of “cool,” as it is a matter of the diabolical.

 

[Faithdancer]

The problem is that legalization of polygamy is exactly what many of these Godless activists want. They want God out of society. They want a return to the pre-Christian times of Rome and Greece.
God Bless

I didn’t like it at all the first time I heard the term, “post-Christian” society. But now, reluctantly, I understand what is really meant by the term and I must agree with it.

 

[Andre1000]

Ever heard of polyamory? They already spreading that.

If polygamy was legalized the protestants would support polygamy more and more with time, and they already started. As you see now that protestants are increasingly supporting gay marriage. At first they also rejected female pastors and now they are all over the place. In fact the bible is easier to twist in favor of polygamy than it is for gay marriage.

As how to get traditional marriage back?
First the people in the catholic Church have to give up this unfaithfulness towards Jesus and his teaching. Right now the leaders of the Church are spreading that all religions are equally good, just look at Assisi or this interfaith prayers that are clearly violating divine law(the old testament is basically most about to not allow such behavior). No wonder that Catholics are confused and this makes that the Church has no real influence on society anymore.

 

[Faithdancer]

As you see now that protestants are increasingly supporting gay marriage.anymore.

Just Protestants? Numerous polls show that more than half of those who identify as Roman Catholic support same sex “marriage.” In fact a recent poll shows the numbers to be nearly equal among mainline Roman Catholics and Protestants. thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/04/22/3649935/poll-american-muslims-supportive-sex-marriage-white-evangelical-christians/

 

[dskysmine]

I don’t agree with anything the original poster said. 2 wrongs don’t make a right.
I also disagree with the comparison with the Roman Empire. The Fall of the empire is anything but the connection to Paganism. Please don’t make such wide comparisons without factual data.

If I could vote I would vote for a 3rd party or I would vote blank, and I would advise others to do the same. Everyone is so worried about the democrats getting into power, but the reality is that both Democrats and Republicans are feeding the system.

God bless,
D.

 

[Faithdancer]

I don’t agree with anything the original poster said. 2 wrongs don’t make a right.
I also disagree with the comparison with the Roman Empire. The Fall of the empire is anything but the connection to Paganism. Please don’t make such wide comparisons without factual data.

If I could vote I would vote for a 3rd party or I would vote blank, and I would advise others to do the same. Everyone is so worried about the democrats getting into power, but the reality is that both Democrats and Republicans are feeding the system.

God bless,
D.

Like some others here, you completely missed the satire.
As far as ancient Rome, you are free to disagree that the degradation of public morality significantly contributed to it’s collapse. However, you won’t find much agreement among either Christian historians or in Scripture, which is full of veiled prophecy against Rome. It’s called “Revelation,” by the way.

 

[Faithdancer]

No satire here: I really don’t care anymore what the government defines as “marriage.” The government (and the majority of Americans) is under the sway of Satan, and any definitions of “marriage” that come from such a government are meaningless.

 

[edwest2]

No satire here: I really don’t care anymore what the government defines as “marriage.” The government (and the majority of Americans) is under the sway of Satan, and any definitions of “marriage” that come from such a government are meaningless.

Regarding right reason concerning human sexuality, satanic spiritual warfare is occurring.

Ed

 

[Murmurs]

Just Protestants? Numerous polls show that more than half of those who identify as Roman Catholic support same sex “marriage.” In fact a recent poll shows the numbers to be nearly equal among mainline Roman Catholics and Protestants. thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/04/22/3649935/poll-american-muslims-supportive-sex-marriage-white-evangelical-christians/

Those sorts of polls are always interesting. What I think it tends to demonstrate (you can show similar kinds of figures for abortion, depending if you have limited circumstances for it, and definitely eg contraception) is that, people even the most other-wise-faithful and pious Catholics in the world, might not condone such things personally (if gay, they would not get into a sexually intimate relationship, or not have an abortion, etc etc), but frankly don’t see why what other people do matters that much.

Whether this is perfect (if slightly mislead) toleration, or what, I’m not sure. But I think it shows that the general attitudes towards the teachings of any particular denomination or faith one belongs to, are for one alone and probably one’s family - not to be inflicted upon people who don’t belong to that same church/faith. It’s not personal apathy towards teaching necessarily, it’s not feeling that teachings that apply to oneself should apply to everyone.

Thus, plenty of people can find support for the legalisation of same sex marriage (etc). While not countenancing it oneself, one can recognise that other reasonable people can have other positions, and there’s no reason to effectively ostracise them on that basis…

:crying: It’s all very confusing!

 

[phil19034]

Just Protestants? Numerous polls show that more than half of those who identify as Roman Catholic support same sex “marriage.” In fact a recent poll shows the numbers to be nearly equal among mainline Roman Catholics and Protestants. thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/04/22/3649935/poll-american-muslims-supportive-sex-marriage-white-evangelical-christians/

The difference though is that some Protestant denominations and/or communities are officially supporting same sex “marriage.”

The Catholic Church officially denounces it. Practicing Catholic do not support same sex “marriage.” Only dissent Catholics do, they do not represent the Church, but unfortunately, the polls like to include them in their numbers.

 

[PTL]

It’s simple-- the more absurd the government’s definition of "marriage’ becomes, the more apparent it will be that the government has no moral ground to decide what marriage is. Only God does.

I also believe that those who support same sex “marriage” will be the most vociferous in opposing any further expansion of the right to “marry,” and will want to slam the door and lock it now that they are in the barn, so to speak.

I understand your point, but that won’t work. The moral decay is serious enough, we cannot afford any more disaster. Everything has a consequence. The legalization of gay “marriage” really crossed the line. God’s wrath is full. God’s chastisement will come. Polygamy will expedite the punishment on our nation. What we need is to hold on to the Church’s teaching and live a holy life. This world desperately need saints. Remember how Abraham pleaded with God not to destroy the sodomy city? As long as there were five righteous people in the city, God promised not to destroy it, but there were not even five. With the population today in United States, the “five” in the time of Old Testament probably at least equals to five million or more.

 

[Midwest88]

Same here. In fifty years, if it ever becomes a circus of “love,” those that called for expansion will FINALLY admit “well marriage was an antiquated, oppressive institution in the first place!”

We are dealing with people have a different idea of what marriage is. Okay. We can debate that. But we’re also dealing with people who are closer to “the fools” corner than so-called narrow-minded, bigots who cling to their bible and guns.

 

[Thorolfr]

It’s simple-- the more absurd the government’s definition of "marriage’ becomes, the more apparent it will be that the government has no moral ground to decide what marriage is. Only God does.

I also believe that those who support same sex “marriage” will be the most vociferous in opposing any further expansion of the right to “marry,” and will want to slam the door and lock it now that they are in the barn, so to speak.

I’m not a big fan of polygamy and wouldn’t want to be in a polygamous marriage myself, but why do you think that polygamy is absurd? I’ve been reading the Old Testament lately, and lots of people there practiced polygamy including Abraham, Jacob, Gideon, Elkanah (the father of Samuel), King David, etc. In 1 Kings 3:9, Solomon says to God, “Give your servant therefore an understanding mind to govern your people, able to discern between good and evil for wisdom.”

Then, according to 1 Kings 3:11-12:

11 God said to him, “Because you have asked this, and have not asked for yourself long life or riches, or for the life of your enemies, but have asked for yourself understanding to discern what is right, 12 I now do according to your word. Indeed I give you a wise and discerning mind; no one like you has been before you and no one like you shall arise after you.

Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines (1 Kings 11:3), so since God had given him “a wise and discerning mind,” it could hardly have been considered absurd for Solomon to practice polygamy.

There are also lots of cultures around the world that still practice polygamy. Muslims are allowed 4 wives.

 

[Faithdancer]

The difference though is that some Protestant denominations and/or communities are officially supporting same sex “marriage.”

The Catholic Church officially denounces it. Practicing Catholic do not support same sex “marriage.” Only dissent Catholics do, they do not represent the Church, but unfortunately, the polls like to include them in their numbers.

Yes, some Protestant denominations. Far from all. I don’t take any personal umbrage, because I’m not in a Protestant church.

As far as the poll, I believe the one I linked to polled 40,000 people. That’s a rather sizeable sample size. I fear you may be in denial, though I wish you were right. Anyway if the numbers are true, then about 60% of Roman Catholics disagree with official church teaching on marriage. That means they are likely to vote in favor of same sex “marriage” at the polls, although of course that is moot point now.

http://d35brb9zkkbdsd.cloudfront.ne.../religious-groups-on-marriage-equality-v3.png

 

[Thorolfr]

That means they are likely to vote in favor of same sex “marriage” at the polls, although of course that is moot point now.

That’s what they just did in Ireland and many other “Catholic” countries will soon have same-sex marriage, too, probably including Italy where the Vatican is:

Italian public opinion has moved decisively in favour of legally recognizing same sex couples after Ireland’s “Yes” to gay marriage, the first poll issued since the landmark referendum revealed Wednesday.

The survey published by Italian daily La Stampa found that 51 percent of voters would support gay marriage in a country where the Catholic Church still wields considerable political influence.

thelocal.it/20150527/tide-turning-in-italy-over-gay-marriage

 

[Faithdancer]

I think the reason many of those homosexuals who have been “married” will strongly oppose polygamous unions is that they don’t just want the rights they already had under “civil unions.” They don’t just want to have their relationship called the same thing as traditional marriage relationships. No, I believe that deep down inside, they want to have relationships that mimic heterosexual relationships in every possible way. And this is because deep down inside, they know what they are doing is wrong but in their denial they think that if society, and ultimately churches, will validate their unholy matrimony then it must truly be as good and right as the real thing, rather than the grotesque mockery it is.

 

[Faithdancer]

That’s what they just did in Ireland and many other “Catholic” countries will soon have same-sex marriage, too, probably including Italy where the Vatican is:

thelocal.it/20150527/tide-turning-in-italy-over-gay-marriage

Exactly. The “faithful” will pay lip service to orthodoxy in the pews but then reveal their true colors in anonymous polls, and in the voting booth. And let me emphasize again that I’m not bashing my RC brothers and sisters here. I honestly wish none of it were true, but there it is.

 

[ComplineSanFran]

I think the reason many of those homosexuals who have been “married” will strongly oppose polygamous unions is that they don’t just want the rights they already had under “civil unions.” They don’t just want to have their relationship called the same thing as traditional marriage relationships. No, I believe that deep down inside, they want to have relationships that mimic heterosexual relationships in every possible way. And this is because deep down inside, they know what they are doing is wrong but in their denial they think that if society, and ultimately churches, will validate their unholy matrimony then it must truly be as good and right as the real thing, rather than the grotesque mockery it is.

Hmmm. I am not sure what you are projecting here. I was running through my list of friends and acquaintances who are LGBT and married. Let’s say 50 couples. I have no idea what their views are on polygamy since it doesn’t tend to come up much in conversations, but I very much doubt they are circling the wagons on their own marriages in fear of plural relationships. Most of couples I know are busy at work, creating families, going to church, enjoying their lives. AND being grateful they can now have legal status.

 

[Faithdancer]

Hmmm. I am not sure what you are projecting here. I was running through my list of friends and acquaintances who are LGBT and married. Let’s say 50 couples. I have no idea what their views are on polygamy since it doesn’t tend to come up much in conversations, but I very much doubt they are circling the wagons on their own marriages in fear of plural relationships. Most of couples I know are busy at work, creating families, going to church, enjoying their lives. AND being grateful they can now have legal status.

I’m guessing these couples are in the Episcopal Church?