Why in the world would anyone ever use BC pills?

[Calliso]

Lol now i think I may read this just so I can see how bad it is for myself!

Ok first thing I noticed is it gives the often cited claim that NFP is more effective then artifical birth control. But from reading these boards I would say that that statement is misleading at best. Yes when and if you can use it perfectly NFP can be very effective. But more effective then artifical birthcontrol? doubtful. Really though I wish people who say stuff like that would also include that only includes perfect use and admit that for some people perfect use of NFP is not possible!

Really though from reading that article it in no way proves that NFP is what is keeping these marriages happy and together! Also This was interesting…

Despite the length of time since they took their NFP classes, the 505 respondents to the NFP survey, are still likely to be practicing Natural Family Planning and have only relatively rarely drifted into using other forms of artificial birth control.

Maybe it is just me but does it sound like to anyone else that they donlt even know for sure that most of these couples surveyed are using NFP? I donlt know…

If anything by reading that article it seemed to more support the notion that there are several factors to consider other then NFP.

 

[Calliso]

That might have something to do with 76% of the country being Christians.

IMHO, Evangelicals fall into a different category. They tend to be more radical in their belief system. If one spouse becomes less religious, the situation can become intolerable.

If this is true, you’ve just proven my point that there are other mitigating factors in the study. The stats couldn’t be different if NFP was magic bullet that you make it out to be.

As others have already noted, NFP makes the situation worse. Not only is sex restricted, it is restricted to infertile times. There are biological events that occur in the body that make sex urges strong during fertile times, which must be ignored when practicing NFP.

**People that use BC are miserable, and so are those that practice NFP. It has nothing to do with natural or unnatural birth control.

Since most people that practice NFP also don’t believe in divorce, why would this come as a surprise. Force people that believe in divorce to use NFP as see if it is the magic bullet you claim it to be.**

Finally, we get to the root of the issue. The above-quoted statement is not necessary if the study stands on its own.

If it is against God’s teaching (through Tradition, because Christ didn’t mention it), then it is what it is. Studies and misinterpretations of them don’t need to be performed to “prove” you point. Attempts to do so simply discredit one’s position.

Yep at least when using artifcial birthcontrol especially things like condoms which have no effect on the sex drive you have a lot more options of when to have sex. And the woman has a better chance of actually being in the mood when the couple does have relations!

Yep both people that use and and donlt use NFP are miserable! There is no magic happiness bullet in either NFP or ABC!

Yeah I am willing to bet that for many of those couples that believe in divorce forcing them to use NFP would just increase the divorce rate! Especially if they were already having trouble!

 

[Calliso]

Janet Smith reports this at this site
janetsmith.excerptsofinri.com/

Let me give this anecdote. I have a friend who has seven brothers and sisters. They were all raised Catholic and very few of them are practicing Catholics now and all of them are contraceptors except one couple. The couple that is not contracepting, using Natural Family Planning, has four children, all planned, etc. The other couples, again, have no children, all contracepting, two income households, lots of disposable income, lots of time for romance and fun. And one night the eight of them were having a very open discussion about their sex lives. And all of the women, the contracepting women, were complaining that they felt that they were just being used in the sexual act. They felt that this was just one more thing that was expected of them, and they felt used. And the men were complaining. They were complaining that they had been reduced to begging for sex, which they found demeaning, and that they were engaging in sex with a woman who just wasn’t all that engaged. She might just as well be watching TV. The couple using Natural Family Planning were kind of looking at each other quizzically and saying, “What are they talking about? Is sex not interesting? Is sex not as interesting as TV? Begging for sex? I don’t know what this is all about.” They’re doing just fine.

Do husbands have to beg for sex? Ask the husbands if birth control pills decrease sex drive. The wives don’t notice it because they don’t feel a need for sex when on the pill, thus they don’t notice a lack of what they don’t feel a need for. Ask the husbands what they think. The moment the wives start taking the pill, the sex drive goes away. The difference is night and day. Unfortunately the studies show it does take several months for the sex drive to return after going off the pill.
Yes men, do you want your entire marriage to be in this situation, your entire life?
It makes for a miserable marriage. Some men in their entire lives have never been in a situation where the wife was not on birth control pills, so they never experienced marriage as it was supposed to be. Yes, their wives may have gone off the pill to get pregnant, but again the studies show that it takes several months for the sex drive to return, and if they get pregnant in that time, the men still don’t experience the normal state of married life.

In my opinion this is one of the primary causes of divorce. God created sex, not only for children, but the Church teaches **sex is supposed to bind the husband and wife together. ** Birth Control pills prevent that binding. They are horrible. They make for a miserable marriage.

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That story is nice and all but taking a handful of couples then assuming that this is the norm isn;t very accurate. Heck I could take posts from these boards if I wanted and “prove” that NFP and the church teachings on sex make for miserable marriages and ABC use makes for happy marriages. The point is there are people happy on NFP and there are people miserable on NFP, and there are people happy miserable on ABC and people that are happy on ABC.

Also once again you are getting into the begging for sex thing. You donlt think that is a problem with NFP ever? Really? when NFP often severely limits sex as it is and on top of that only allows the woman to have sex when she is least likely to desire it. Also trust me many women use the pill and have little to no change in drive! Also I am saying all this from a perspective of someone for who the pill basicaly ruined my drive. So I am someone who should hate the pill! At the same time though I am not foolish enough to think that NFP would improve that situation! Also I was the one always asking for sex not my husband…

How do birth control pills prevent that binding any more then NFP can. As has been pointed out like a dozen times now or something lol NFP often severely limits the times one can have relations with ones spouse! For some couples NFP ends of putting a barrier between couples it might not be physical but it is there.

 

[Calliso]

No one has ever shown a single study where the divorce rate of people who use NFP was above 4%. Never.

If Catholics who use NFP are also devout and make use of God’s grace through prayer and the sacraments, their divorce rate is less than 1% and even zero in some studies I have read.

Thus why in the world would Catholics want to use artificial birth control, especially dangerous birth control pills, with their increase in cancer rates, and which cause the deaths of the innocent unborn children, which decrease the sex drives of the women who take them, thus making the husbands miserable, and their marriages miserable, which turn peoples hearts away from God, and away from the Church, which alone has God’s teachings handed down infallibly. These teachings of God, which Jesus handed down and taught entirely to His Church are all for our good and for our happiness.

Why would anyone want to reject the teachings of God, who is all good and who suffered and died so that we can be happy in this life, and instead listen to the ideas of the abortion company, Planned Parenthood, and its founder Margaret Sanger who thought children were a burden because they prevented her from committing adultery and why would they listen to the greedy birth control companies who will promote any drug, no matter how dangerous it is to adults and their unborn babies, as long as they can make money.

Why don’t they believe Jesus when He said to listen to His Church?
Why do they want to be unhappy and slaves to the misery of sin?

Using birth control pills is pure stupidity.

Ok now this is just insulting. You keep saying how miserable birthcontrol makes marriages and so on. But if you were to read some posts on these boards NFP often doesn;t help either! In fact at least a couple people on these boards if I read correctly would probably say that BC was better for their marriage then NFP. Or for those that are still NFP many would say that it has put a lot of strain on their marriages. Heck if I wanted I could cherry pick my data sources and “prove” that it is harmful to marriages to use NFP!

 

[Calliso]

You do know that there is a difference between correlation and causation, right? That is, the same thing that allows a couple to use NFP (say, attentiveness to one’s body, communication skills and a mutual willingness to put future good ahead of present desire) might also stave off divorce. That couple might elect not to use NFP (maybe they use nothing or they might use the hormones found in birth control pills for medical reasons not having to do with willful contraception), and have the same result.

For instance, just because having a child with a disability increases a couple’s chance of having a divorce doesn’t mean that the divorce is the child’s fault. The child didn’t cause the divorce. Agnostics and atheists have a lower rate of divorce than people who are affiliated with a religion. That doesn’t meant that religion affiliation causes divorce, either.

Good points!

 

[Warrior1979]

You do know that there is a difference between correlation and causation, right? That is, the same thing that allows a couple to use NFP (say, attentiveness to one’s body, communication skills and a mutual willingness to put future good ahead of present desire) might also stave off divorce. That couple might elect not to use NFP (maybe they use nothing or they might use the hormones found in birth control pills for medical reasons not having to do with willful contraception), and have the same result.

For instance, just because having a child with a disability increases a couple’s chance of having a divorce doesn’t mean that the divorce is the child’s fault. The child didn’t cause the divorce. Agnostics and atheists have a lower rate of divorce than people who are affiliated with a religion. That doesn’t meant that religion affiliation causes divorce, either.

By any chance, would the below quoted statement (from Wilson) be any example of this?

As seen in Figure 3, interest in NFP is higher for “ethical, moral or religious reasons”, for “desire to use a natural method” and for “side effects with other methods” than for “requirements of marriage preparation.”

 

[Anathama_Sit]

Greetings Dcharles,

I have this summary of the study in the regular HTML format on the internet at this pre-cana site:

Here is the website:
resources.familyministries.org/inthespiritofcana/appendix_F.htm

Thank you providing both the summary in HTML format as well as the website.

God Bless.
Anathama Sit

 

[Anathama_Sit]

Greetings Marjk,

Feel free to be uncharitable. In fact, you already have been.

This is quite funny, was this response to the preceding three sentences that my sentence came after or in light to the rest of the post? Or was it because my reply struck a nerve?

Which other areas, in your vast experience should I have researched? I am sure you know. Right?

I think I detect a bit of sarcasm, and it is not becoming.

There isn’t anything in the Catholic faith you don’t know, don’t understand or just have never come across, right?

If I don’t know an answer, I don’t have a problem to ask a question. Which gets me back to the orginal statement. If someone is Catholic and they are interested in living their Faith they will ask questions. It is hard for me to believe that never ever in your time did you use Contraception it never crossed your mind “I wonder what the Church Teaching is regarding Contraception.”

Open your eyes. There are lots of people that simply do not know the teachings of the Church on contraception. Just look around here.

That is kind of hard to believe for me, seeing how “Frequently” this topic comes up. The information is out there, if people were willing to go and look for it. I guess people want others to do the work for them or just to live in ignorance. I am not sure anymore.

Or maybe grew up in the 70’s when contraception was never mentioned. Or maybe didn’t have the internet growing up. Or maybe lived in a house where people thought practicing their faith included simply going to Mass on Sunday.

Are these excuses for why one did not know about the Church’s Teaching back in the good old days? If they are, this still does not hold water for me. There were things called books and priests back in the old days. Humane Vitae came out before the 1970s if I recall and created quite a stir. Funny how that did that without the Internet and despite that contraception was never mentioned.

I am glad the person that spoke to me about the teachings didn’t have your attitude. Otherwise, I might still be in the dark and still using ABC. Instead, she talked to me about it and I am now, and have been for many years using NFP.

I am glad that you are using NFP. But I still adhere to my orginal views. I believe we will have to agree to disagree.

God Bless.
Anathama Sit

 

[samiam1611]

Birth control pills decrease the sex drive of the wives, (which is expected since the pills simulate pregnancy).

For some women on the pill, sex drive is decreased. For some it is increased. For some there is no change. As Calliso has said, you are painting with too wide a brush. Like, ridiculously too wide.

This makes life miserable for the husbands. This does not make for a happy marriage. The husbands end up going through most of the marriage living with a semi non responsive wife, who now gives the impression she does not love the husband as much because of her coldness. Of course she does, but she simply has much less sex drive. Why would anyone want to be in this kind of marriage? This is probably one of the reasons for such a high divorce rate.

Is it really like this? This just sounds so exaggerated that I don’t believe you at all. But if it is true, my advice to a woman with low sex drive is to do it anyway. Sometimes I don’t feel like it but I do it anyway. I never regret it - it’s fun, and feels good. Why would someone let low sex drive RUIN a marriage? Some days she needs more foreplay that other days…as long as he’s willing to take the time to do that, I don’t see why low sex drive on the woman’s part is necessarily so damaging to a relationship. Just do it. Once you’re having sex, you will think, oh yeah, this IS fun, glad I let him talk me into it!

Sometimes the opposite happens. The husband can now have to much sex, since there are no abstinence periods. The wife now feels used after a number of years, since she no longer has much of a desire.

If she feels used, I would think this is because of a lack in other parts of the relationship - like if he is rude to her a lot of the time, but then all sweet talk when he wants to have sex, then yeah I could see where that would make someone feel used. But if he’s a good husband outside of the bedroom, I don’t see why she would feel used - she should be flattered.

Besides, they could still practice periodic abstinence - don’t do it while she’s on her period!

 

[maryjk]

Greetings Marjk,

This is quite funny, was this response to the preceding three sentences that my sentence came after or in light to the rest of the post? Or was it because my reply struck a nerve?

Nope, didn’t strike a nerve. It was the insinuation that everyone should know everything about their faith. And if they didn’t they are somehow, lacking.

I think I detect a bit of sarcasm, and it is not becoming.

You seem to think that everyone should know everything about their faith. Since you seem to think that, I would think that you know everything about your faith. Do you?

If I don’t know an answer, I don’t have a problem to ask a question. Which gets me back to the orginal statement. If someone is Catholic and they are interested in living their Faith they will ask questions. It is hard for me to believe that never ever in your time did you use Contraception it never crossed your mind “I wonder what the Church Teaching is regarding Contraception.”

And if you don’t have a question, most people wouldn’t ask. I didn’t have a question I didn’t ask.

That is kind of hard to believe for me, seeing how “Frequently” this topic comes up. The information is out there, if people were willing to go and look for it. I guess people want others to do the work for them or just to live in ignorance. I am not sure anymore.

Now it is out there. It comes up here all the time. But this forum hasn’t always been here.

Are these excuses for why one did not know about the Church’s Teaching back in the good old days? If they are, this still does not hold water for me. There were things called books and priests back in the old days. Humane Vitae came out before the 1970s if I recall and created quite a stir. Funny how that did that without the Internet and despite that contraception was never mentioned.

And priests didn’t always know the answer. Many people here asked priests about ABC and got the “A okay” from them. Or you could be like my mother who asked for a blessing before surgery and was refused. He thought she should die before removing her uterus. He was convinced that you needed permission from Rome before life saving surgery. Or maybe the priest I know that didn’t have a problem with two people living together? See, although, it seems like a priest should know the answers to all our questions, they don’t always.

I am glad that you are using NFP. But I still adhere to my orginal views. I believe we will have to agree to disagree.

God Bless.
Anathama Sit

Your original views are that no one wants to change. That:

1. People already have decided for themselves whether they will use contraception or not depsite what the Teaching of the Church is. 2. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot force him to drink.

I am proof that your views are wrong.

 

[Anathama_Sit]

Greetings Maryjk,

Nope, didn’t strike a nerve. It was the insinuation that everyone should know everything about their faith.

An insinuation that was not either implicity or explicity stated by me. No one knows everything about their faith, but they can learn if they are interested.

And if they didn’t they are somehow, lacking.

I never said that. You inferred it.

You seem to think that everyone should know everything about their faith. Since you seem to think that, I would think that you know everything about your faith. Do you?

I never claimed this thought nor do I claim that I know everything abou the faith.

And if you don’t have a question, most people wouldn’t ask. I didn’t have a question I didn’t ask.

I again reiterate that I find it hard for anyone not to ask that question about Contraception.

Now it is out there. It comes up here all the time. But this forum hasn’t always been here.

You seemed to have missed the fact that I pointed out that there were books and writings about Contraception before this forum.

And priests didn’t always know the answer. Many people here asked priests about ABC and got the “A okay” from them.

This is truly sad. Not all priests live by the Teachings of the Church. This just reminds me to keep praying and pray more for our priests that they may live and follow ALL of the Teachings of the Catholic Church.

Or you could be like my mother who asked for a blessing before surgery and was refused. He thought she should die before removing her uterus. He was convinced that you needed permission from Rome before life saving surgery.

A most unfortunate situation to be sure.

Or maybe the priest I know that didn’t have a problem with two people living together? See, although, it seems like a priest should know the answers to all our questions, they don’t always.

Again they do not always live according to the Teachings of the Church. No one really knows ‘all’ the answers to the questions, but those who know and live according to the Teachings of the Church can be of immense help.

I am sorry that you did not have a priest who was knowledgeable about Church Teaching. This helps. You were not to blame, you were acting on the best information that you could get at the time, and you thought it was correct.

Your original views are that no one wants to change. That:
I am proof that your views are wrong.

If one does not want to change there is nothing you can force them to change. However, if a person wants to change, then they change. You misunderstand the reason I posted those quotes. In your situation you thought you were going along with what was correct, but when you found it was not correct, you wished to comply and follow the correct way.

When you explained about your priest, I understand now.

God Bless.
Anathama Sit

 

[ryecroft]

Why don’t you write the author, she has a website and ask her those questions. I am sure she can give you more information. I am sure that many people have attacked these studies before, after all, the birth control pill companies have a lot to lose, and so I am sure they have searched for errors. They could lose billions if the truth was promoted. But, we know from experience that those who oppose the Catholic Church are not exactly obsessed with the truth.

Again, if there were any studies that showed artificial contraception was good for marriages, planned parenthood and the birth control companies would have promoted them, put them in the literature, advertised them to ad nauseum. Even if they could have fudged a little bit, they would put up their lies everywhere. Anything for money.

There are none. If there were any studies which showed NFP led to only an average divorce rate, Planned parenthood, the liberals, the birth control lobby, the birth control companies would have promoted them forever. Anything to defend their money making organizations.

There are no studies which show artificial contraception is good for marriage. The only studies I can find, and I have searched forever, is that those who use NFP, even the ordinary Christians/Catholics, the same ones who normally have a divorce rate of 30% or more, have an extremely low divorce rate, less than 4%, and if they seek God’s grace and or pray together the divorce rate is zero or approaches zero.

Again, all this is expected since God is good. NO ONE is good but God alone. Thus ONLY God knows what is good for us. He became man, suffered and died to free us from the misery that sin brings. Thus, if we seek His grace, in order to follow His teachings ( which are for our good and happiness), then we would expect the results we see from all these studies.

If you know someone besides Jesus who is all good, never did evil, never lied, never sinned, never was selfish and claims to teach everyone how to live a happy life, and enables us to break free from our slavery to evil so that we can follow these teachings, then please let me know.

O.K. - I keep hearing and seeing this 4% or less divorce rate for those using NFP - and I too have lookekd long and hard online with regards to this - I have yet to see ANY study - be it by PPH, CCL, the Catholic Church - where a group of say 1000 couples (just an arbitrary number) who are using or going to use (i.e. getting married within a certain amount of time and aren’t active yet)- and then 5, or 10 or 15 or 20 years later, these same couples are looked at and we see what has happened. I just can’t find any RELIABLE information - the “study” that I was linked to put the cart before the horse so to say. They took people who had been using NFP and basically looked and saw that the average user (the one’s that the NFP teacher’s reccomended) -did have a 15 year marriage. I’m not trying to attack you, dc charles - and honestly, I would LOVE to see an accurate survey that said 4% or less - (or even if it said only 30% of marriages using NFP wound up in divorce - I don’t know what the answer is, what I do know is I haven’t seen a study that has accurately portrayed a cross section of NFP users (even if it’s just in the states) - and how these couple are doing say 15 or 20 years later.
Until then, I don’t see any truthful evidence that the divorce rate for those couples using NFP is 4% or less.
God Bless
Rye

 

[Warrior1979]

They took people who had been using NFP

for a few years, which is very relevant, since this effectively separates the wheat from the chaff.

Anyone that has practiced anything for a few years realizes the implication of this. Anyone that has practiced a musical instrument for a few years realizes they are in the minority; most give it up after a few months. Anyone that has practiced martial arts for a few years knows that they are in the minority; most give it up after a few months.

Lastly, anyone knows that those practicing something for a few years has little in common with those that give it up, and making generalizations about the latter group from information obtaining by the former group is preposterous. We refer to such attempts as lying with statistics.

 

[dcharles]

O.K. - I keep hearing and seeing this 4% or less divorce rate for those using NFP - and I too have looked long and hard online with regards to this - I have yet to see ANY study - be it by PPH, CCL, the Catholic Church - where a group of say 1000 couples (just an arbitrary number) who are using or going to use (i.e. getting married within a certain amount of time and aren’t active yet)- and then 5, or 10 or 15 or 20 years later, these same couples are looked at and we see what has happened. I just can’t find any RELIABLE information - the “study” that I was linked to put the cart before the horse so to say. They took people who had been using NFP and basically looked and saw that the average user (the one’s that the NFP teacher’s reccomended) -did have a 15 year marriage. I’m not trying to attack you, dc charles - and honestly, I would LOVE to see an accurate survey that said 4% or less - (or even if it said only 30% of marriages using NFP wound up in divorce - I don’t know what the answer is, what I do know is I haven’t seen a study that has accurately portrayed a cross section of NFP users (even if it’s just in the states) - and how these couple are doing say 15 or 20 years later.
Until then, I don’t see any truthful evidence that the divorce rate for those couples using NFP is 4% or less.
God Bless
Rye

This is an accurate study, with reliable methodologies, reviewed by competent authorities. The billion dollar birth control industry would love to fault this study and others like it, but can’t. The billion dollars birth control industry would love to show ANY study that indicated birth control pills are good for marriage, and they can’t. There is NOTHING good about birth control pills. Nothing. It causes misery to men their entire marriage because of the decreased sex drive to women. It reduces the men to begging for sex, just like Janet Smith said. It causes self-centeredness in both couples, because it subordinates pleasure to love. The catechism defines sin as a failure in genuine love of God and neighbor due to a perverse attachment to certain goods. Contraception, even non-birth control pill contraception, results in this perverse attachment to sex. Sex is meant both for procreation and to bind the husband and wife together in love. Contraception is a denial of the love part, and results in a perverse attachment to sex. All the goods God gives us must be moderated. A perverse attachment to any good results in the slavery of sin. Thus a perverse attachment to alcohol leads to alcoholism, to food, gluttony; to drugs, drug abuse; to money hardness of heart and extreme self-centeredness of a person to the point that others are worth less then him, to possessions, materialism; to love of pleasure, more self centeredness, etc. Any time a person puts their happiness in one of the goods that God gives us, even his own job at work, that person cuts down his love for others, which is sin. And this failure to love others causes misery in ourselves and others. And at the same time a perverse attachment to any good decreases enjoyment of that good. Thus one glass of wine does nothing to an alcoholic, even though it brings much pleasure to a non-alcoholic. So whenever we make our happiness in some good, we need more and more of that good to get the same result. Yet, we become more and more unhappy, because we turn more and more away from love of God and neighbor.
Yet the more we love God, the happier we become. First because we have the joy of the Lord in our hearts, we finally do what we were created for. Second, love of God and access to His grace, frees us from the slavery and misery of sin. Third, the more we seek God’s will, the more He gives us a stronger love for others, to the point that we become happy just relieving the misery of others and helping others. That is why St. Teresa of Calcutta was so happy. She had very few pleasures in life. She had no more consolations from God, that is, she experienced the dark night of the soul, that the saints talk about. But God gave her such a love for others that she was extremely happy giving that love to others, even though it meant doing what would normally be disagreeable things for most people, that is, cleaning and taking care of dying people.
This is the normal source of happiness that God gives to those who love Him above all things. The recent Pope teaches about this in His encyclical on Love, as did Pope John Paul II. Thus this is a Catholic doctrine that when we love God the way we should He gives us a strong love of others, which brings happiness to us when we practice it. The family with the 19 or 20 children on TV, the Duggars, are the same way. The parents primary goal is to love God above all things. Thus God gives them such a love for their family that everyone is happy. My daughter thinks they are on drugs because they are so happy. No, it is the normal result of loving God above all things.
Christianity spread because people saw the love Christians had for others.
These early Christians loved people more than non-Christians, because God
gave them so much love for others that it made them happy to do so. Christianity would never have spread if it made people miserable and sad.
Sin makes us miserable and sad. And those who put their happiness in sinful things become more miserable and sad and at the same time they begin hate God and His rules. They have no idea that His rules are rules on how to love, and following these rules, which can only be done with His grace, brings happiness to ourselves and others.

 

[dcharles]

Contraception is simply putting our happiness in sex and fear of children. It makes us more self-centered, more wrapped up in ourselves, more materialistic and pleasure loving and more unhappy. And thus it increases the divorce rate. Materialistic, self-centered, pleasure loving individuals are NOT good candidates for a life-long marriage. Contraception simply causes us to be self-centered, wrapped up in ourselves, unable to love our spouse (with all his or her faults) the way we should, thus the high divorce rate. We know we are rebelling against God, (at least Catholics do), and this rebelling against God results in less prayer, less grace from the sacraments, and thus less ability to love our spouse with all their faults. Thus higher divorce rate.

 Thus again, why in the world would any Catholic want to take birth control pills?  Why would the men want to be in misery their entire lives because of the sexual coldness that birth control pills cause in their wives?

Why would they want to chance the increase in cancer rates, the increase in blood clots and strokes, increase in intestinal diseases that they cause.
Why would they want to be responsible for the increase in spontaneous abortions that birth control pills cause. Who knows how we will suffer for these on judgment day, or if this will keep us out of heaven?
Why would they want to increase their selfishness and get even more wrapped up in themselves and make it harder to love their spouse. It is hard enough to stay married, so why make it harder?
Why would they want to be partially responsible for the increase in suicides and crime in their children and the increase in the misery of their children from the divorces that these birth control pills cause?

People who take birth control pills are absolutely nuts for doing so. What are they thinking?