Why insulting prophet Muhammad?!

[MrS]

So, Muhammad was rated number one in a Muslim source.

I suppose Budda would be rated number one by a Buddist.

Castro might have been number one in Cuba.

And Kennedy might be number one… no forget that/

In God’s Eyes (or on His list), I would think His Son, the Divine Jesus Christ would be closest to God Himself…duh

If I ever make anyone’s “list”, I should hope it be HIS… anywhere on the list. I can only hope, and pray, to be listed higher than Muhammad.

 

[Faith101]

Yes, this is true. And unfortunately we aren’t the best at being perfect. However, aren’t Muslims supposed to be peaceful also? Yet, the actions of Muslims around the world show that the people don’t always follow your teachings either.

I was trying to make a point…loooks like i didnt do a good job.

Throughout this forum it’s love this love that…some people talk more about love than highschool sweethearts…honestly. But those same people say such hateful things…how does a heart with so much love have so much room for so much hate? Every time I open a post by some posters, i know that they are either attacking, insulting, or making fun of something Islamic.

Don’t let the misguided actions of a few twist your image of what Christianity is supposed

to be…

I don’t. I was just making an observation about some Christians on this forum.

 

[Cyber_Knight]

Why do muslims around the world so terribly angry to a cartoon, while 9/11 or Beslan happened, no body even care to protest to the terrorists, ya know act together from muslims around the world? Maybe because we are kaffir? Now you, faith101, questioning about where is the love that Jesus taught? Well this is the love we give for you. We do not threat people opposite us, we do not kill then in the name of Jesus, we do not kill you when you said that Jesus just merely a prophet. We do not stab you when you said apostle st. Paul misled the Christians etc. Example : What are you going to do if I said Muhammad the real terrorist? Will you kill me?.. Food for thought!!!

 

[Faith101]

Cyber Knight:

Why do muslims around the world so terribly angry to a cartoon, while 9/11 or Beslan happened, no body even care to protest to the terrorists, ya know act together from muslims around the world? Maybe because we are kaffir? Now you, faith101, questioning about where is the love that Jesus taught? Well this is the love we give for you. We do not threat people opposite us, we do not kill then in the name of Jesus, we do not kill you when you said that Jesus just merely a prophet. We do not stab you when you said apostle st. Paul misled the Christians etc. Example : What are you going to do if I said Muhammad the real terrorist? Will you kill me?.. Food for thought!!!

Cyber Knight

I cant hear you, i can only read what you write…maybe that is why your post seems to be an attack rather than a set of questions.

In any case, the majority of the world does not believe that Mohamed is a prophet from God. Many many Americans dont even know what Islam is or what Muslims believe.

All that doesnt mean anything and wont anger Muslims. It would serve to highlight that we have not done a good job transmitting the message.

As to your last statement—I encourage you to fear God in the things that you say…and know that one day you will return to him and will be asked about every single word you’ve said and every single word your fingers have typed. I know you dont care…and there is no point addressing your claims as they have been addressed on this forum over and over again…but have fallen on blind eyes.

 

[MrS]

Faith101:

All that doesnt mean anything and wont anger Muslims. It would serve to highlight that we have not done a good job transmitting the message.

I know you dont care…and there is no point addressing your claims as they have been addressed on this forum over and over again…but have fallen on blind eyes.

Therein lies the “problem”. Christians have little or no use for Islam, and Islam has little or no use for Christianity. Our founders are extreme opposites. Our beliefs are so very much opposed in so many areas.

However, the zeal necessary for evangelizing is returning to Christianity. This is brought on, in part, by more Christians recognizing, in Islam, things we are very uncomfortable with.

So, you have done a good job transmitting the message. But it is the message that is the “problem”, not that it is falling on blind eyes.

 

[teresa613]

I haven’t seen the picture - so cannot really decide but coming from Europe, they would use the same christian topics for caricatures, too. It’s not only Mohammed - they potrait Jesus the same way, if it brings their message across.

A nun friend of mine said once to me, you should always treat religion with respect - but the secular world normally doesn’t. They ridicule it - doesn’t matter what you are - Christian, Muslim, Jew - in the modern world you are an outcast of some sort.

Brigitte

 

[exoflare]

MrS:

Therein lies the “problem”. Christians have little or no use for Islam, and Islam has little or no use for Christianity. Our founders are extreme opposites. Our beliefs are so very much opposed in so many areas.

However, the zeal necessary for evangelizing is returning to Christianity. This is brought on, in part, by more Christians recognizing, in Islam, things we are very uncomfortable with.

So, you have done a good job transmitting the message. But it is the message that is the “problem”, not that it is falling on blind eyes.

Good point. It’s about time we call a spade a spade.

 

[LtTony]

Dear PP, the original poster, and Faith101:
Please keep in mind that the newspaper was a secular paper, unrelated to any Christian church. I understand it is highly political and may use religion to further a political agenda. Also keep in mind, that no American Catholic church published those pics. And that this very forum prohibits posting them because it offends muslims. OK?

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

teresa613:

I haven’t seen the picture - so cannot really decide but coming from Europe, they would use the same christian topics for caricatures, too. It’s not only Mohammed - they potrait Jesus the same way, if it brings their message across.

A nun friend of mine said once to me, you should always treat religion with respect - but the secular world normally doesn’t. They ridicule it - doesn’t matter what you are - Christian, Muslim, Jew - in the modern world you are an outcast of some sort.

Brigitte

If something does not deserve respect, it should not be given it.​

A religion which crucifies Christians and continues the ancient Christian sin of wishing death to Jews for being Jews, deserves no respect.

I have no objection at all to people with AIDS - but I do object to AIDS. So with Islam: it is, in the words of Pius XI speaking of Communism, a “satanic plague”, full of deceit.

Communism had its non-Communist apologists, its fellow-travellers, and its “useful idiots” - so too does Islamofascism. Naturally, those who were babes in arms in 1989 won’t remember this.

Since when were “honour killings”, terrorism, the re-naming of murder by the honourable name of martyrdom, rioting over trivia, and an intention to destroy an entire people, signs of a “religion of peace” ? What sort of religion that honours Jesus, does so by reversing His moral teaching, and by rubbishing the Bible ? No one is so blind as those who refuse to see the difference between Muslim pretty talk, and Muslim actions.

Mistaking Islam it for a religion is the price people pay for ignorance of ancient near eastern cultures, which made no distinctions between culture, religion, and politics.

Islamic Culture ? That was borrowed from the ancient Greeks by way of Byzantium; or from Italy or France, for instance. Islam by itself can do nothing but destroy; it has no innate creativity - that’s why it fell behind the Western, Christian, powers. So please let’s have no silliness about Cordova in the 1100s, or about mediaeval Islamic philosophy as exemplified by thinkers such as Averroes or Avicenna; or about the architecture of Istanbul: they all owe a debt to sources outside Islam. Not to any innate Muslim creativity.

And the reason it is uncreative, is lack of a doctrine of God as immanent. Judaiam and Christianity both stress God’s immanence - Islam, being no greater than its source, is regressive, and shows this by lacking such a perception of God. As a result, it has no doctrine of a Divine Incarnation. ##

 

[MrS]

## If something does not deserve respect, it should not be given it.

…ot to any innate Muslim creativity. ##

Gee, do you have an opinion:thumbsup:

And as to our “war” against the terrorists… the only mistake GW could make - and the left seems to have already made - is to not recognize just how evil the enemy really is.

Every Muslim individual has the personal opportunity to reject terror and accept peace. And every human individual has the inate desire to know Jesus Christ as God… our work is cut out for us.

 

[Corkonian_Neil]

i know it’s a bit off topic…but do you not think that GW and all ye’re gang invading iraq for oil (or was that for the weapons of mass destruction that never existed??) is not an evil act? I am Catholic. I will not be associated with people who believe that the “war on terror” is justified and somehow Christianity is behind it. Lets not paint Muslems as the evil and America as the good in such black and white terms… The war on terror is a war that was initiated to make sure that America remains the only super-power in the world…

Sorry about that-back to the point…I think that newspaper once did an offensive drawing of Christ as well. I heard something on the news but wasn’t paying great attention to it…anyone can elabourate on it further?

 

[brotherhrolf]

This person whose ancestors came from County Cork in a region of the United States where the majority of the Irish immigrants were from Cork or Limmerick wishes you, Neil, a happy life under Islamic rule. You would be well served young sir to study your European history paying close attention to such personages as Charles Martel and such activities as the Reconquista. You should also remember that while the Emerald Isle was not conquered by the Romans, can you say the same about the Norse or the Sasenach or, even better, the Normans? France and Britain have significant Muslim populations and if you can’t see the handwriting on the wall…well.

You may think that America initiated the war as a means of remaining the sole superpower. Please explain Beirut, Somalia, the Cole or 9/11 as rationales for this. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Islam swept out of Saudi Arabia and in less than one hundred years had marched across Africa, conquered Spain and was all the way up into central France. Someone needs to read their history.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Corkonian Neil:

i know it’s a bit off topic…but do you not think that GW and all ye’re gang invading iraq for oil (or was that for the weapons of mass destruction that never existed??) is not an evil act? I am Catholic. I will not be associated with people who believe that the “war on terror” is justified and somehow Christianity is behind it. Lets not paint Muslems as the evil and America as the good in such black and white terms… The war on terror is a war that was initiated to make sure that America remains the only super-power in the world…

Sorry about that-back to the point…I think that newspaper once did an offensive drawing of Christ as well. I heard something on the news but wasn’t paying great attention to it…anyone can elabourate on it further?

I think Clinton, Bush and Bliar are war criminals, and should be in the dock alongside Milosevic and Saddam.​

IMHO, offensive drawings of Christ are a by-product of the Incarnation - something that is almost to be expected if God becomes a man; not that it makes them desirable, of course.

Besides, God is big enough to fend for himself - getting in a tizzy about a dozen cartoons is a sign of insecurity. As for the van Gogh murder - someone whose religion allows that, must have a pretty poor religion. Nothing could more effectively underline the emptiness of Islam than the over-reaction of its adherents; God, if real, does not man to defend Him. ##

 

[rdscheirer]

We need to realize that the media- both print and video -are very secular and opposed to religion of any kind. I viewed the cartoons and am sure they are just as blasphemous to the followers of Mohammed as the "Piss Christ " was to Christians. Difference is from my view of the last couple years and reading history is a Christian will pray for and try to convert the blasphemer while the follower of Mohammed will demand the death penalty.

 

[Faith101]

MrS:

Therein lies the “problem”. Christians have little or no use for Islam, and Islam has little or no use for Christianity. Our founders are extreme opposites. Our beliefs are so very much opposed in so many areas.

However, the zeal necessary for evangelizing is returning to Christianity. This is brought on, in part, by more Christians recognizing, in Islam, things we are very uncomfortable with.

So, you have done a good job transmitting the message. But it is the message that is the “problem”, not that it is falling on blind eyes.

Most Americans have no idea what Islam is about aside from what is portrayed on their TV screens. Even on this very forum, people are surprised that the Quran talks abotu Jesus, or that we believe Mary is a virgin, etc.

I attend a very diverse college…we set up tables to educate the students about Islam. Many people dont even know that Muslims believe in one God…many thought it was just like Hinduism. They hardly know anything…except perhaps what they may be taught in Church or in class. And many times that perspective is distorted.

 

[Faith101]

LtTony:

Dear PP, the original poster, and Faith101:
Please keep in mind that the newspaper was a secular paper, unrelated to any Christian church. I understand it is highly political and may use religion to further a political agenda. Also keep in mind, that no American Catholic church published those pics. And that this very forum prohibits posting them because it offends muslims. OK?

LtTony

I never blamed it on anything Christian…When i read some of these hateful remarks made by some people on this forum, I was suprised that it would come from practicing Christians.

 

[joshua1]

Muslims have respect for Jesus? If they have so much “respect” for Jesus, Why do they kill christians just for being christians? Why do they destroy his churches? Thats not being very respectful.

 

[Faith101]

joshua1:

Muslims have respect for Jesus? If they have so much “respect” for Jesus, Why do they kill christians just for being christians? Why do they destroy his churches? Thats not being very respectful.

Muslims are forbidden from doing the things you’ve just mentioned. We are not allowed to go around destroying Churches, or to kill a Christian simply because they are Christian.

If a distinction can be made between the actions of some people and the actual religion…it would make things a lot easier to understand.

 

[MrS]

Faith101:

They hardly know anything…except perhaps what they may be taught in Church or in class. And many times that perspective is distorted.

Surly you agree that there is a lot of solid, truthful information available on Islam from sources other than a Muslim??

Or is it that this available information often does NOT shed a very positive light on your beliefs? And because it does not… you persist is saying it must therefore be distorted?

I commend you on your efforts to spread your beliefs… but again, Christianity MUST deny those beliefs as false (that is, against the very teachings of Jesus Christ Who is God, and Who is the Truth.

To say that you talk about Mary, and the goodness of Jesus is like saying “But I use my turn signals… as I drive over the speed limit going the wrong way on the freeway at rush hour.”

 

[MrS]

Faith101:

Muslims are forbidden from doing the things you’ve just mentioned. We are not allowed to go around destroying Churches, or to kill a Christian simply because they are Christian.

If a distinction can be made between the actions of some people and the actual religion…it would make things a lot easier to understand.

So, it is okay for me to be a Christian… but IF I profess that Jesus is God, that there is Only One Triune God - the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, and Muhammad is a false prophet… then Islam must(?) consider me an un-believer,… and the Koran instructs true, professing Muslims to “…kill all unbelievers, where ever you may find them…”

or have I got it wrong??