Why insulting prophet Muhammad?!

[eleusis]

Cyber Knight:

Honestly i havent seen that cartoon. Anyone could provide me the link pls? Tks.

PROVIDE YOU THE LINKS!?? What, are you on crack? IF we do that then by gum the building that houses the CA server or the CA offices would be burned like the Danish, Chilean and Swedish Embassies have been today!

Nothing like a religion of restraint and PEACE!!

 

[discipleofJesus]

Check out these pics of Muslims in London protesting. Check out what they have written on the signs that they are holding up

michellemalkin.com/archives/004448.htm

I don’t understand how they can hold up signs like that without being arrested.

 

[discipleofJesus]

jihadwatch.org/archives/2006/02/010024print.html

 

[brotherhrolf]

Oh yes, here come those peaceful Muslims again. I certainly hope there are guards on the churches and synagogues in Europe. Wouldn’t want those peaceful Muslims to, oops, accidentally set fire to a church or synagogue. Gee, those are really peaceful posters too. Makes me want to sit around and sing Kumbaya with them.

 

[eleusis]

brotherhrolf:

Oh yes, here come those peaceful Muslims again. I certainly hope there are guards on the churches and synagogues in Europe. Wouldn’t want those peaceful Muslims to, oops, accidentally set fire to a church or synagogue. Gee, those are really peaceful posters too. Makes me want to sit around and sing Kumbaya with them.

Me thinkith thou hath a mite of sarkasimith

 

[MrS]

Faith101:

Peace MrS

THe fact that you are Christian means that you have assigned divinity to Jesus…that makes you a disbeliever. Thats really all it takes from the persepctive of Islam. You, as a Christian, can not be killed simply because you believe in something false.

If that were the case, then how are Muslim men allowed to marry and start families with Christian and Jewish women?

As for the verse you quoted…would you mind quoting the whole verse?

who told you that any man/woman could “assign” divinity to Jesus? … must have been a Muslim source…

simple question…

Does the Koran instruct any Muslim to “… kill all the unbelievers, where ever you may find them…”

or am I not allowed to know what the Koran really really says, unless I read it in its original language?

 

[MrS]

Faith101:

If i wanted to learn about Christianity, i dont go to a Jew. Likewise, if you want to learn about Islam, why do you go to anti-Islamic sources (as manyyyyyyy posters on this forum do)?

Knowledgble Muslims will not lie to you about their beliefs, becasue they dont have to (and b/c they are not allowed to).

And when a Christian wants to learn about God, he goes to the ONLY source God provided for us… His very Son, Jesus the Christ, Who founded the Catholic Church.

ALL OTHERS are not of God in-so-far as they lack the fullness of the Truth. The Truth is not something. It is Somebody, and His Name is Jesus Christ.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

discipleofJesus:

Check out these pics of Muslims in London protesting. Check out what they have written on the signs that they are holding up

michellemalkin.com/archives/004448.htm

I don’t understand how they can hold up signs like that without being arrested.

Tony Bliar, and the Cabinet as a whole, are fond of saying that “Islam is a religion of peace”. The Home Secretary has apologised to Muslims for any offence the cartoons may have caused. That is why members of the BNP can be tried for the crime of upsetting Muslims, and why Muslims are free to incite to murder and to commit treason, and have police protection while doing so.​

IOW, they refuse to acknowledge the bloody and genocidal activities of Islam, and are no different from the appeasers who wanted to be nice to Hitler in the late 30s and even after that. Except in one respect - Bliar’s yellowbellies, like everyone who is not wilfully blind, can see what Hitlerism did to the Jews and so many others; they know what appeasement leads to; the appeasers in the Chamberlain Cabinet of 1938, did not, for they could not. Bliar and the rest of his colleagues have no such excuse.

Yet they are appeasing a fanatical enemy, which has already killed hundreds in Europe, not openly in fair fight, but with bombs; it murders civilians. It loathes the West with an implacable hatred; it kills Christians, wants to exterminate Jews and destroy Israel, destroys Churches and Bibles and other things held sacred by Christians while raising Hell over a few cartoons of its ape-like founder, demands freedom for itself bit is adamant in denying it to others, enslaves those whom it does not kill…There is no good at all in trying to apologise - Islam does not want apologies; it wants absolute and unequivocal victory. We must get into our heads that Muslims look on all men as by nature Muslim - most have simply not realised their innate Muslimity. That idea makes us all fair game for the aggressions of Islam.

Trying to placate Islamofascists is as mad as trying to come to terms with Hitler and Stalin - and both had plenty of Western apologists who refused to acknowledge the horrors committed by these appalling men; they still have them. To placate Islamofascists is to commit suicide with open eyes. They have to be withstood. Muslims in in the West are fifth columnists, andd should be treated as such. If the degeneracy of the West is so upsetting to them, they can always go to countries where there are plenty of jihad monkeys such as Omar Bakri Mahommed. I wouldn’t be surprised if he lost his hands not as a warrior but as a thief. ##

 

[demetrios1973]

Muslims will only understand one thing…force. The longer we coddle the “religion of peace”, the worse it will be for Europe and the United States.

Demetrios

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

demetrios1973:

Muslims will only understand one thing…force. The longer we coddle the “religion of peace”, the worse it will be for Europe and the United States.

Demetrios

thepriceofliberty.org/05/05/18/newman.htm

Lenin once remarked that, “When it is time to hang the capitalists, they will sell us the rope.” Westerners, he maintained, were so naïve about his intentions that they would provide him the means to destroy them.
…

Richard Wurmbrand was a pastor in Romania in the late 1940s, when the Communists came to power. Like the Nazis in Germany in the 1930s, the Ceausescu regime sought to co-opt the Romanian churches. In 1948, they held a church congress in Bucharest, which was attended by 4000 pastors. One by one, these pastors stood up and proclaimed allegiance to the new regime.

Wurmbrand’s wife, Sabina, instructed him not to go along with the other pastors, for to do so would be “spitting in the face of Christ.” Wurmbrand replied that she would lose her husband were he to speak against the new regime. Sabina replied, “I will not have a coward for a husband.” Wurmbrand proceeded to proclaim publicly that Christianity and Communism could not co-exist.

The Wurmbrands’ reward was 17 years of imprisonment and excruciating torture at the hands of the Communists. In 1965 a Norwegian organization came to the rescue and arranged their release. In 1967 the Wurmbrands founded Voice of the Martyrs, one of the leading organizations aiding persecuted Christians around the world.

No American Christian has to suffer for his faith in the way. Yet such a nightmare awaits us if more of us do not disabuse ourselves of our endless faith in mega-government.

=======

This is exactly the position with Islam - Christ and Mahommed cannot be at peace - only at truce. One preaches, and shows in His own Life, unconditional love and total forgiveness: even when that means being crucified. The other, left behind something that crucifies Christians: not hundreds of years ago, but nowadays. Those politicians and churchmen who refuse to call the evil in Islam evil, are failing those whom they are meant to serve and protect and enlighten. After the appalling bloodshed of the last 70 or so years, this is indefensible, for Islam is no less totalitarian than Communism, or Fascism​

The two religions cannot be from the same source - as well might water and cyanide come from the same source.

It is not uncharitable to say this, because it is not uncharitable to say what is true.

 

[brotherhrolf]

I have to agree with you, Gottle. But I am afraid that you folks in Europe will feel the scimitar sooner than us across the pond. From what I am seeing and reading, all too soon we Christians will have to “take the cross”. I only hope and pray that when it is time for me to be weighed in the scales, I won’t be found wanting. Deus Vult!

 

[TobyLue]

I would like to pose a question to the Muslims here especially the OP.

Since Muslims assert that Islam is a religion of peace, do you agree with all these protesters demanding death and retribution? If yes, what has happened to your “Islam is a peaceful and tolerant religion” and explain to us how Islam justifies death when you insist that Islam is peaceful. If you do not agree with these riots and protests, what are you doing to spread the word to all Muslim Clerics that they should denounce, from the top of all Muslim Temples and with a strong voice, these demonstrations and instead pray for peace and pray for the ones that have insulted Islam? Here is your chance to prove to us how peaceful Islam is.

 

[discipleofJesus]

## Tony Bliar, and the Cabinet as a whole, are fond of saying that “Islam is a religion of peace”. The Home Secretary has apologised to Muslims for any offence the cartoons may have caused. That is why members of the BNP can be tried for the crime of upsetting Muslims, and why Muslims are free to incite to murder and to commit treason, and have police protection while doing so.

IOW, they refuse to acknowledge the bloody and genocidal activities of Islam, and are no different from the appeasers who wanted to be nice to Hitler in the late 30s and even after that. Except in one respect - Bliar’s yellowbellies, like everyone who is not wilfully blind, can see what Hitlerism did to the Jews and so many others; they know what appeasement leads to; the appeasers in the Chamberlain Cabinet of 1938, did not, for they could not. Bliar and the rest of his colleagues have no such excuse.

Yet they are appeasing a fanatical enemy, which has already killed hundreds in Europe, not openly in fair fight, but with bombs; it murders civilians. It loathes the West with an implacable hatred; it kills Christians, wants to exterminate Jews and destroy Israel, destroys Churches and Bibles and other things held sacred by Christians while raising Hell over a few cartoons of its ape-like founder, demands freedom for itself bit is adamant in denying it to others, enslaves those whom it does not kill…There is no good at all in trying to apologise - Islam does not want apologies; it wants absolute and unequivocal victory. We must get into our heads that Muslims look on all men as by nature Muslim - most have simply not realised their innate Muslimity. That idea makes us all fair game for the aggressions of Islam.

Trying to placate Islamofascists is as mad as trying to come to terms with Hitler and Stalin - and both had plenty of Western apologists who refused to acknowledge the horrors committed by these appalling men; they still have them. To placate Islamofascists is to commit suicide with open eyes. They have to be withstood. Muslims in in the West are fifth columnists, andd should be treated as such. If the degeneracy of the West is so upsetting to them, they can always go to countries where there are plenty of jihad monkeys such as Omar Bakri Mahommed. I wouldn’t be surprised if he lost his hands not as a warrior but as a thief. ##

great post

 

[discipleofJesus]

'…Adams on Jesus Christ and Christianity, Relative to Muhammad and Islam

“And he [Jesus] declared, that the enjoyment of felicity in the world hereafter, would be reward of the practice of benevolence here. His whole law was resolvable into the precept of love; peace on earth – good will toward man, was the early object of his mission; and the authoritative demonstration of the immortality of man, was that, which constituted the more than earthly tribute of glory to God in the highest… The first conquest of the religion of Jesus, was over the unsocial passions of his disciples. It elevated the standard of the human character in the scale of existence…On the Christian system of morals, man is an immortal spirit, confined for a short space of time, in an earthly tabernacle. Kindness to his fellow mortals embraces the whole compass of his duties upon earth, and the whole promise of happiness to his spirit hereafter. THE ESSENCE OF THIS DOCTRINE IS, TO EXALT THE SPIRITUAL OVER THE BRUTAL PART OF HIS NATURE.” (Adam’s capital letters)….[pp. 267-268]

“**In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar , the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE (Adam’s capital letters)….Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant…While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men.” [p. 269]

Adams on Jihad War, Dhimmitude, and the Muslim View of Non-Muslims; Examples of the Perfidy of Muslim States, Including the Ottoman Turkish State

"As the essential principle of his faith is the subjugation of others by the sword…’

Excerpted from ‘John Quincy Adams Knew Jihad’ By Andrew G. Bostom andrewbostom.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=18&Itemid=27 (bold emphasis mine)**

 

[bjd2006pc]

In my opinion, the Muslim Fundamentalists believe that Islam is peaceful…but only when the competition is ELEMINATED. By that I mean “Convert or die”.

And what is the competition…oh, let’s say five billion human beings.

Scary, huh

 

[Faith101]

1. A non-believer (or infidel if you will) is not innocent. However, I have yet to see a muslim post/admitt this statement… or deny it!!

A non-believer, who is not guilty of any crime, is innocent…and therefore can not be killed for any reason.

Please provide evidence for your claim.

1. I have asked outright for any refutation of my statements. I had never been told I was wrong.

You’re wrong.

1. As for where it is found… I will have to research… although there are so many here who could do it so much faster… hint hint

You have already formulated a conclusion but have YET to do the research??

1. I too, have the fear that my understanding is correct… fatally so.

Again, you’re wrong.

 

[Faith101]

simple question…

Does the Koran instruct any Muslim to “… kill all the unbelievers, where ever you may find them…”

or am I not allowed to know what the Koran really really says, unless I read it in its original language?

Paste the whole verse.

 

[Faith101]

Adam and Eve were created by God through the working of His Spirit in order to commence the human race. All subsequent births ad infinitum have involved the unification of human cells also through the working of His Spirit. With ONE exception…Jesus Christ. Sterile parents can have children if God wills it, but the miracle still involves their own cells. Yes, when God the Father wills something, He only says “Be” and it is. He works miracles all the time but the birth of Jesus was different.

Its different to you because you want to see it as different. But in reality, a sterile parent does not have the “cells” required to have a baby. To you, its this huge big deal. To Muslims, God is great, and He can do everything and anything. Just because a boy is born from a virgin doesnt make him God.

You are gong to disagree and then we will go back and forth…so lets agree to disagree.

 

[Faith101]

brotherhrolf:

The actions of individual Christians (and their sins) while they exist in history are not necessarily historic. The historic actions of an entire religion across the centuries are a matter of record. It is a matter of record that Islam swept out of Saudi Arabia and did everything that I described in my prior posts. If Muslims were forbidden from burning churches, why then were the churches burned and their members forced to convert at the point of a scimtar? Or is it that such practices are OK during a jihad?

There is no compulsion in religion. YOu can not be “forced to convert” …that would just be like creating a whole bunch of hypocrites…hypocrites, like disbelievers, are in hell…so there would really be no point forcing someone to convert.

If christians were forbidden from commiting fornication, why then do Americans (majority of them being Christian) commit fornication with no shame? I dont care what you say about what CHrsitianity teaches about fornication…i’m just gong to look at the Christians and understand the religion that way.

hmmm…not a smart thing to do.

 

[Faith101]

1. Makes claims on the God of Abraham but rejects and have twisted much from the old testament.

I havent read the Old Testament in its entirety…but i know it makes claims about the Prophets commiting major sins. This, we reject…among other things.

However the basic message —God is one and we should worship Him—is that of Islam…and is that of Abraham.

1. Claims to accept Jesus as a prophet but rejects his teachings.

We believe Jesus was a prophet, sent to the children of Israel only…not to us. He, too, taught that God is one and that we should worship that one God.

1. Cannot explain(like Mormom’s) why the new prophet would teach such radically different teachings then all the pfophets before yet coming from the same God. Its as if they are saying God had it wrong and now got it figured out and changed everything.

Thats the thing. Mohamed did not teach anything radically different. It was the same message, brought back to its pure form. Your Lord is One, worship Him.

As for the rest of your points…all i understood was that you believe that you have no need to learn or respect any other belief aside from your own…that leaves me with one question…what are you doing in the non-catholic part of the forum?