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GKMotley
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I never over generalize about Anglicans. It’s generally inaccurate to do so.
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sthudium
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Agree, it’s probably safe to say that Anglicans do not strictly enforce doctrinal purity and, consequently, members have a wide variety of beliefs.
My intention was only to emphasize the point that almost all Protestants do care about sin. But there are different schools of thought about sin. Some groups say sin proves whether one is a Christian and thus saved, while others say that a Christian wants to please God by avoiding sin. The point is that, although they say that sin does not revoke a previously granted salvation, they do care about sin. In other words, the fact that sin doesn’t revoke salvation does not lead to the conclusion that sin does not matter. It does matter, but, for most Protestants, it matters in a way that is different than what Catholics believe.
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GKMotley
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For most who fall in those categories, I’d agree.
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Todd_Easton
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I’m sorry I wasn’t clear enough earlier, I was thinking that in the Our Father Prayer we might be praying for the Eucharist and for what the Eucharist provides, namely, the forgiveness of our sins. There might be a cause-effect relationship expressed in the Our Father Prayer between God giving us the Eucharist (“our daily bread”) and his forgiving us our venial sins. What you are used to thinking of as two unrelated petitions, “give us this day our daily bread” and “forgive us of our sins,” could be understood as a single petition, along the lines of, “give us this day our daily bread, i.e., the Eucharist, and in so doing forgive us our sins…”
This would be similar to the way Catholics understand the words, “be baptized and wash away your sins” (Acts 22:16), not as two unrelated actions but as one action, namely, that our sins are washed away when we receive the sacrament of baptism, “be baptized and in so doing wash away your sins.”
This would be similar to the way Catholics understand the words, “be baptized and wash away your sins” (Acts 22:16), not as two unrelated actions but as one action, namely, that our sins are washed away when we receive the sacrament of baptism, “be baptized and in so doing wash away your sins.”
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That’s ignoring why Jesus needed flesh in the first place. The idea you need to look at first is “what is man” and “what is sacrifice.”
Genesis 1:27 “God created MAN according to his image. Male and Female, he created them.”
A female is also in “man”; but a male is the source. I can illustrate the point biologically: A male has an “X + Y” chromosome, but a woman has only “X + X” Chromosome.
When God the Father made us an image of himself, he intended to depict a likeness of his being the source of all things in us. It’s a recursive depiction; Man comes from God. ( Luke 3:38 “… the son of Adam, the son of God.” ) By God’s design, then a woman is naturally drawn out of a man but isn’t the whole design.
Genesis 2:24 “She shall be called woman because she was taken out of man. For this reason, a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his woman.”
Consider how God made us an image of himself: Adam was put to a sort of death/anesthesia/sleep that he would rise again from. (Genesis 2:21); Therefore, from Adam was generated a woman. (Jesus donated his flesh for a spouse on the cross.)
When we see “womb” in English Bibles we automatically think men don’t have wombs; but the Original Greek word talking about the cross and baptism really talks about “coils”. That refers to the shape of the birth canal, ovaries, intestines and genitals in both man and women;
John 7:38 “He who believes in me, as scripture has said ‘out of his coils (Koils/κοιλί-ας) shall flow rivers of living water’”
http://biblehub.com/text/john/7-38.htm
John 3:4-5 “How is an old man to be [re]generated? does he penetrate his mother’s coils a second time?”
http://biblehub.com/text/john/3-4.htm
Jesus is making a new kingdom … Nicodemus is asking how:
There are, obviously, good ways and bad ways to enter a kingdom; by force and violence, sex, birth or covenant.
Sometimes a son tried to create a new kingdom by raping his mother… 2Samuel 16:22
In order for Eve to be part of Adam’s Kingdom, Adam had to give up some of his flesh. That was Adam’s sacrifice. But every act of sexual intercourse repeats what happened with Adam in a miniature way. From the man, “slime of the Earth [Adamah]” is given to the wife. The woman, likewise, gives her slime to the man through a curtain of flesh. It’s purely physical and it can be cleansing and sanctifying. 1Corinthians 6:16 vs. 1Corinthians7:14
But if the spouse is Jesus … it will be done a different but still physical way:
Hebrews 10:20-21
The physical blood was dedicated for us, which means it has a future purpose at multiple locations.
Eph 5:
To become one flesh requires physical flesh…
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