Why is abortion harmful?

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Probably the pro choices that won’t eat an egg ,I’ve know vegans that think that way,abortion however,not so much of a problem for them
 
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whatistrue said:
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Freddy:
I’ve explained my point as well as I can. I’m sorry that you don’t understand it.
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It just isn’t as good an argument as you think it is.
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Then you (and @blackforest are missing the point). It’s not an argument. It’s an observation. You can still feel that a zygote is nothing more than a few cells and is not a person and that personhood comes much later and still argue against abortion.

You might find that many Jewish people are in that position.
 
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Freddy, why do the amount of cells of a person matter? You too are only comprised of cells. That is a bad argument. A zygote has the exact same amount of genetic information as you or I.
 
I guess the question is- Why is killing someone else ,especially someone who cannot defend themselves- bad?
 
Yes but cutting off your fingernail does not kill you. Destroying the zygote does. There is clearly a difference there, and biologically the zygote still is 100% a person.
 
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Yes but cutting off your fingernail does not kill you. Destroying the zygote does. There is clearly a difference there, and biologically the zygote still is 100% a person.
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I can only respond to what you write. If you say that we shouldn’t allow abortion because there is human dna involved then I can only respond to that. It has no bearing on personhood. Which I have already explained.
 
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I guess the question is- Why is killing someone else ,especially someone who cannot defend themselves- bad?
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The pertinent word is ‘someone’. A lot of people, and I have to repeat, including all those of the Jewish faith, do not consider the term to be applicable.
 
It is a person though Freddy. Biologically it has the exact same type of genetic information as you and I. What makes it different from a fingernail is that a fingernail does not kill the entire person where as it does with the zygote which is the entire person in the early stages.
 
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It is a person though Freddy. Biologically it has the exact same type of genetic information as you and I. What makes it different from a fingernail is that a fingernail does not kill the entire person where as it does with the zygote which is the entire person in the early stages.
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Might I point you in the direction of the Jewish beliefs in regard to this matter (yes, I know I’m on a Catholic forum). Personhood in Jewish Tradition
 
But I do not care about what the Jewish faith says. I care about what the science says and what the Catholic faith says. They line up exactly the same: Human life begins at conception.
 
Billy76 said:
But I do not care about what the Jewish faith says. I care about what the science says and what the Catholic faith says. They line up exactly the same: Human life begins at conception.
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Are you not following the discussion? That is not being argued. No-one has argued against that. The question of personhood is being discussed. Which is a matter of Catholic faith but which is not a scientific matter.
 
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Personhood is explicitly linked to human life. One cannot exist without the other.
 
Jeanne_S said:
Probably the pro choices that won’t eat an egg ,I’ve know vegans that think that way,abortion however,not so much of a problem for them
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Hen eggs with red spots in the yolk means they are fertilized, some people still eat them, considering them just the egg, some dont because they are fertilized.
Its another of the arguments.

Here in Aus the big issue is that “its just a clump of cells” right up until a certain time, abortion is legal in all states of Australia.Euthanasia , although a different argument here, is also legal in a few states.
 
Freddy said:
You might find that many Jewish people are in that position.
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The Jewish position varies.
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Now try to imagine what it would be like to be in support of abortion and hearing a Catholic say that the intentional killing of the unborn is evil, and then reading something like this quoted passage. Do you see the problem? Catholics are not consistent when it comes to the topic of the intentional killing of innocents.
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The argument of good and evil is lost on a non believer.

It should not be lost on a believer. We have entire generations who have grown up with the ‘clump of cells’ or ‘whats good for mum’ mindset’. I have been watching a 9 season series from the 80s while in lockdown here in Aus. The values Australians grew up with in the last half of the last century are exemplied in it and taught as moral lessons through it. This series would never be made today, too politically incorrect. Doctors on it push and recommend for abortions in certain circumstances, birth control procedures are he norm. Those on the show see these as sensible logical outcomes.
Surprisingly the issue of homosexuality is a big no no. That is taught as bad.
 
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And many do not.
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The Talmud ‘distinguishes between an embryo prior to the 40th day and those that develop past that point’. As per the link I gave earlier.

The Talmud to the Jews would be the equivalent of Catholic teaching to Catholics. Not all Jewish people agree with the Talmud just as many Catholics do not agree with the church’s teaching.
 
Freddy said:
Which is why I said ‘many’.
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Its a generalisation. This is a new topic, so a new thread is better, there is a body of academic literature on Jewish views on abortion.
 
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