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JoeShlabotnik
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I pray for all who have experienced this action. I do not judge others, but I pray for them.
You may not personally know them, but they exist. They are present in the pro-life movement.I don’t know any who have expressed anything other than a sense of relief. Even many years later.
I think it’s worse than that. I think there is a general understanding that what they are killing is actually a human baby, but they have rationalised this and justify this killing to themselves.It is also sad and tragic that the baby’s mother, the staff committing and facilitating the murder, and the authorities who legalized it, have convinced themselves that this isn’t a human baby at all and that what they are doing is perfectly okay.
It does matter when we’re trying to engage in a dialogue with them.Their opinions, their thoughts, their political views do not matter.
Not just that, but holding out for adoption means 9 months of pregnancy. I had hyperemisis gravadarum in one pregnancy & was on bed rest during another… and let me tell you I could NOT have done that without my husband’s support & family/friends rallying with us. A single mom working 2 jobs with three other kids? How will they and their kids literally survive all nine months?? I am 100% pro life but I think it is appalling that women are left with so little support while the “help” offered is abortion. I’m thankful to help out with my parish outreach that covers MANY costs for women, will furnish their home, has volunteers who drive women to their appointments, etc. But I have to think even that pales compared to loss of income. It’s so sad. Truly tragic.Adoption? Our society looks down on people who “give up their baby”.
I think it’s the issue of a conflicted conscience. There might be something deep down that sees that there’s something wrong with abortion, but can’t explicitly see the gravity of it yet.If someone does not believe that abortion is murder, the taking of a human life, why exactly would they feel this way?
I think such things are written in hearts of all men. Is the wrongness of killing a child in the womb not one of these things?There might be something deep down that sees that there’s something wrong with abortion
Already refuted by science.Very often, you will hear even pro-choice people speak of abortion as something sad, tragic, a serious decision, something after which a woman is never the same, and so on.
If someone does not believe that abortion is murder, the taking of a human life, why exactly would they feel this way? If it is a simple surgical procedure, no more serious than (or not as serious as), for instance, an appendectomy, removal of the gall bladder, or removal of wisdom teeth, then what is sad or tragic about that? You have the operation, you recuperate, and that’s that.
Some reasons I’ve pondered:
- They do not see it as human life, but as the beginning of a potential human life, and it is kind of sad that it will never get to become a human person
It’s both.
- It is a failure of contraception and a recognition that you cannot always prevent the “life process”, as it were, from beginning
One Playing with words won’t refute the evil one knows is there, in ending that life.
- The process of pregnancy has begun, with all of the emotions, hormones, and physical and chemical reactions that go with this, and to interrupt this natural process is somehow less than ideal
From conception, everything genetically necessary for that person, is there, present.
- It is a “kind-or-sort-of” pre-human, and even though it “had to be ended” for some supposedly good reason, it is sad in somewhat the same way as a miscarriage is “sad” (this seems to be the Japanese approach, where women will make prayer offerings, or whatever the word would be, to their never-born children)
Dialogue only works for certain people and its pretty easy to tell when it won’t work.It does matter when we’re trying to engage in a dialogue with them.
Nobody put words in my mouth! Perhaps Americans can deal with it calmly, but not for me. This is unacceptable, it is so so low. I stand by what I said. It is almost criminal to do that, it is not a moment to be mild.That level of outrage isn’t neccessary.
If you act reasonably nothing will happen.Nobody put words in my mouth! Perhaps Americans can deal with it calmly, but not for me. This is unacceptable, it is so so low. I stand by what I said. It is almost criminal to do that, it is not a moment to be mild.
And the worst of it, is that moderators will just delete everything that I wrote and suspend me without saying one word about it. And everybody in this forum will think this is alright because it is not with them. It is suffocating sad. I can’t believe nobody sees the unfairness.
That is wonderful what you do for them. Do they have to pay for doctor appointments and for attendance at birth? What options are there for women with low income?help out with my parish outreach that covers MANY costs for women, will furnish their home, has volunteers who drive women to their appointments, etc.
I wish I knew those details! I am on the side that donates / collects donations of baby items. I hope there are funds to defray these costs, though!!Do they have to pay for doctor appointments and for attendance at birth? What options are there for women with low income?