Why is abortion "sad" or "tragic"?

[HomeschoolDad]

Regarding contraception which I sometimes abortive, I would also add I meet a lot of moms who kind of seem to know down they “could be” ending a pregnancy, but they just hope that’s not what’s upending (they just want to prevent ovulation) & it’s a huge can of worms between them and the husband so they just try not to think about it.

We’ve been through the whole “contraceptives which could be abortifacient under rare circumstances” thing before, and I can only say that, opinions on the sinfulness or not of pure contraception being beside the point (for the sake of discussion), anything that has any reasonable possibility of being abortifacient should not be used. I am told that even some OTC medications can be potentially abortifacient. I don’t know where you draw the line — what to do about medication X, which might be used (let’s just suppose) to treat nausea or alleviate cold symptoms, and which if the woman has just fallen pregnant, has a 1-in-10,000 chance of ending the pregnancy? Again, I don’t know.

If a pro-choice person is so ignorant of the development process of the baby in utero, they can easily have thier mind changed to the other side by being shown ultrasound images or even those animated videos from Live Action that show what happens during an abortion.

Nobody these days has an excuse for that kind of ignorance. The secular Holt Life Science text, which we use in homeschool, has a very good, and very detailed, chapter on fetal development. Though it is value-neutral, one almost gets the impression that it is edited with faith-oriented homeschoolers in mind, who almost invariably seek to teach their children traditional values (usually Christian ones), including life ethics. Somebody who wants to make the whole matter blurry, and have the student think of some vague “products of pregnancy” or “products of conception”, would not like this text.

 

[Lara]

I’ll leave this to the experts on the frontline, (the post from the woman who works in pro-life ministry).

But I’ll add one thing to the OP’s list of how a pro-choicer might see things, with respect to the third point-- the emotions and processes have begun–the mother may not quite realize that a relationship has begun. But it has. So when it ends, there is sadness, as there is with most broken relationships for a potential was not attained.

(Even when you wish your boss would go away, you will feel sad when he fires you, for you know what might have been had circumstances been different.)

 

[HomeschoolDad]

I think one reason that abortion is such a difficult legal issue in the U.S. is because the two main political parties (the rest only have a percentage or two of the population who support them, so they aren’t relevant) have both embraced viewpoints that directly oppose the way their Party views government.

The Democratic Party believes that Government at all levels (local, State, Federal) should be involved in the lives of the citizens…

… except for abortion. In that one exception to their philosophy, they believe that the decision to abort a child should be in the hands of the individual–a woman and her doctor.

So the Democratic Party goes AGAINST its usual “Big Government” philosophy and favors individual choice.

I’m going to try and squeeze this down into the smallest nutshell possible:

The Democratic party is extremely adept at fusing together many “interest groups”, each of which has a distinct set of goals, into a massive social movement that seeks as much personal liberty as possible for members of each interest group, while having their needs and wants ensured and taken care of by Big Government. Some of these interest groups seek to make sexual expression, of whatever kind, as free as possible, and as free of consequences as possible. Straight, gay, married, single, doesn’t matter. When straight people have sex, despite their best efforts, sometimes unwanted conception takes place. There has to be a way to get rid of these consequences, and abortion is the only way. Unfortunately, it is the taking of human life — from conception onward for Catholics and other traditional Christians, or at some later stage for those who don’t share traditional Christian values. One month in, it’s easy to anesthetize one’s conscience. Two months in, it’s a little trickier. Three months in, even moreso. Four months in, pretty darned difficult. The pro-choice people then have a difficult question to answer — “where would you draw the line, why would you draw it there, and what do you have to say about someone else having an abortion beyond that line?”. That is how President Trump was able to force the Democrats at this year’s SOTU address into expressionless, stone silence when he spoke against late-term abortion. He didn’t ask that question, but he might as well have. They see a woman fall pregnant, and if the pregnancy is undesired, they want to hurry up and get it over with ASAP, so they won’t have to deal with the increasingly untenable (because of time moving forward) concept of “it isn’t a human life yet”. But at the same time, they don’t want to have to assert that human life (and thus life that can be killed) exists at point X… because that would mean restrictions on at least some abortions.

Some Democrats are pro-life, but sadly, their voices are few, and right now, they can’t change their party’s stance.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

Adoption? Our society looks down on people who “give up their baby”.

I would like to see some kind of massive charitable initiative in this country, possibly funded in part or in whole by some kind of prodigiously wealthy philanthropist — think the likes of a Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Jeffrey Bezos, doesn’t matter, just so long as they have deep pockets — to enable any woman with a problem pregnancy, married or not, to receive all the financial support she needs in these circumstances. Failing this, churches in a locality might do some kind of “whip-round” special collection to take up money and give it to the woman and her family, to compensate for any loss of income and pay all of her expenses.

 

[Jen7]

I don’t know where you draw the line — what to do about medication X, which might be used (let’s just suppose) to treat nausea or alleviate cold symptoms, and which if the woman has just fallen pregnant, has a 1-in-10,000 chance of ending the pregnancy? Again, I don’t know.

I know it’s a side point, but my OB-Gyn would not prescribe it! And she’s not Catholic. If there’s possibility of pregnancy she’d prescribe something different.

 

[po18guy]

Less words spoken. More words prayed. For example, Servant of God Fulton J. Sheen’s prayer for the unborn:

“Jesus, Mary and Joseph, I love you very much. I beg you to spare the life of (insert name which comes to mind) the unborn baby that I have spiritually adopted and who is danger of abortion.”

As an addendum: Why is a miscarriage “sad”? Ask the mothers for your answer. Why is a blue baby “sad” Again, just ask…

 

[Peeps]

I would like to see some kind of massive charitable initiative in this country, possibly funded in part or in whole by some kind of prodigiously wealthy philanthropist — think the likes of a Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Jeffrey Bezos, doesn’t matter, just so long as they have deep pockets — to enable any woman with a problem pregnancy, married or not, to receive all the financial support she needs in these circumstances. Failing this, churches in a locality might do some kind of “whip-round” special collection to take up money and give it to the woman and her family, to compensate for any loss of income and pay all of her expenses.

Many of the Pregnancy Life Care Centers (they are called different names in different areas of the country) do provide many of the needs that a woman in a crisis pregnancy has. Shelter in a safe house/home, medical care, maternity clothing, baby needs, and of course, friendship, prayers, and even coaching during the delivery (regular labor or C-Section).

But I agree, it would be wonderful if a very wealthy family group were to take on this project. Too bad that some of the wealthy liberals like Mayor Bloomberg don’t use their money for this project instead of advocating the cheaper alternative of abortion. But that isn’t likely.

I’m guessing that some of the wealthy Christians in this country, especially those that run successful companies, DO give a large portion of cash to help pro-life efforts.

 

[Peeps]

Here is a link to a wonderful pro-life initiative in my part of the country! If you have some extra Christmas cash, consider a donation:

Madonna Renewal Center – Freeport, IL

 

[blackforest]

Am I missing something here? Reading something into it that’s just not there?

It all boils down to how seriously you take abortion. If it’s the unjust killing of a small human being, it’s extremely tragic. If it’s just a matter of “potential motherhood” being lost but no human rights violation, then it’s sad, but women can move on.

Interestingly, pro-choicers have been bickering about this issue. In the age of the Shout my Abortion, (and Alienate Women Who Regret Theirs ), it’s becoming passé and taboo to say things like “safe, legal, and rare.”

 

[HomeschoolDad]

I would like to see some kind of massive charitable initiative in this country, possibly funded in part or in whole by some kind of prodigiously wealthy philanthropist — think the likes of a Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Jeffrey Bezos, doesn’t matter, just so long as they have deep pockets — to enable any woman with a problem pregnancy, married or not, to receive all the financial support she needs in these circumstances. Failing this, churches in a locality might do some kind of “whip-round” special collection to take up money and give it to the woman and her family, to compensate for any loss of income and pay all of her expenses.

If a liberal such as Michael Bloomberg or Tom Steyer would go pro-life, and fund an initiative like this, they’d have my vote in a skinny minute, and Trump could go back to playing golf at Mar-a-Lago. Deep in his heart of hearts, he might be relieved for things to turn out this way.

Interestingly, pro-choicers have been bickering about this issue. In the age of the Shout my Abortion, (and Alienate Women Who Regret Theirs ), it’s becoming passé and taboo to say things like “safe, legal, and rare.”

It may actually be fortunate that some women are being forced to stand up and say “yes, I had an abortion, it wasn’t murder, I’m glad I did it, and I want all women to be able to do likewise”. This then forces people to look at the issue, to look at the evidence of fetal development, look at the sonograms, look at the fetuses, figure out where to draw the line, and to explain precisely why abortion at X months isn’t murder — and why after X+1 months, it is.