Wow! You are very angry. You keep insisting that you are not saying any thing negative about our beliefs. But it is implicit in your line of questioning that you are out to prove a point.
Well, the only real point I was making was that one decides to practice NFP in order to have sex without children, which you at first resisted, then admitted to. So, I have already proven my point to you, i suppose. My secondary point was that NFP seems to instill a sense of sexual self-righteousness, which you also seem to have demonstrated with a sense superiority. In the mean time, before you finally did admit to my primary point, you made your masturbation commentary, which I do find inflammatory, and you successfully got a good rise out of me, colorful language included at no charge.
Not to mention the fact that you point out how NFP proponents are a fringe.
I was using fringe as a relational reference. Meaning, in the US population, I would venture to say NFP is practiced by less than 1% of the population. In most cases, the term “fringe” would probably be accurate, but if you prefer, feel free to use whatever term would equate to a very, very small minority. Your choice.
And yes, that makes my statement correct, which you seemed to place a great deal of importance on when it comes to the “truth” as you say, but not so much for these cases when you drift off track.
It is very dishonest and lawyerly to ask leading questions and then accuse respondents of poor reading comprehension or dishonesty when the answers elaborate beyond the scope of the question.
No, my questions are not leading questions, they are direct. When a simple question is avoided, then it does appear that one must “corral” the discussion in order to get a straight answer. Eventually you did, and now I am on some strange quest to convince you that your masturbation ideology is not helpful or charitable to your cause. Maybe I will convince you, who knows.
You might as well ask; “when did you stop beating your wife?”.
Eh, what? If this is a reference to my previous comment, I said beating off, which is slang for masturbation. Kinda lost me there… Feel free to comment if you want to clarify.
I would still like to press you on the point that has gotten under your skin so badly.
No, what gets under my skin is your idea you could make comments like that about sex with someones spouse, and somehow that is OK. You didnt answer my question earlier about your being introduced as a bigot. By your logic, that would not be personal nor would it bother you. Somehow I think it would, however.
What is the moral difference between heterosexual genital intercourse while using contraception and any of the following?;
Oral sex,
Mutual masturbation
Anal sex
Your only response has been that almost everyone would say there is a difference and that it depends on what your moral beliefs in general are. That is not an answer. You are dancing around my question now. If it is dependent on a persons general moral standards then just apply yours. What is the difference as you see it?
OK, sure. I assume you mean a married couple, all else being equal. Ill add one to your list:
Contracepted Sex
Planned Sterile Sex using NFP
Oral Sex
Masturbation
Anal Sex
I, personally, see very little difference between the above. None are for the purpose of reproduction. Presumably, they are all a form of expression to a spouse (even if some are not my cup of tea). Sex to achieve pregnancy is about the only thing that categorically falls outside the range.
Of course, you will disagree vehemently with the NFP couple, but, that is just how I see it.
I would be remiss if I failed to restate this falls outside of both of our points.
And again, the only thing that “gets under my skin” is your inflammatory comments mixed with what appears as this smug attitude that “well, its the truth, so just deal with it”. If it was a different topic, and someone directed it towards you, you would not accept it either. ie, my gay neighbor example. Honestly, I should probably listen to my own advice and just let it go. I don’t think you would see why it is inflammatory to hear.
Physically, objectively they are different. Even if ones intent is the same.
