Why is Boston Becoming a Catholic Graveyard?

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The structure, of German gothic design, looks like a Catholic church should look. To the outside world, it is a fortress of solid granite; inside, it’s a wonderment for the eyes, a reward of beauty for those who belong there. It isn’t an edifice that represents the limp, impotent Church, crawling for a measure of acceptance from the commissars of multiculturalism. The parishioners, too, an unlikely coalition of Germans and Latin Mass Catholics, are an annoyance to the Novus Ordo establishment. The parish was founded in the 19th century to serve the small German community in the city and their descendents have managed to hang on through the storms. As for the Latinists, Cardinal Law grudgingly allowed the Tridentine Mass there in what is now primarily an Asian neighborhood, surely expecting it to fail. Instead, the Traditionalists and Germans combined, not merely to keep the doors open, but to revitalize the parish.

Today, Holy Trinity is what a Catholic parish should be, busy with traditional devotions, ethnic celebrations and concerts of real, western music. Most importantly, though, Holy Trinity is a place of worship for serious Catholics, from seniors to young families. The Jesuits who built the church in the 19th century would recognize the things that go on there as the Church that they knew.

And so, for all these reasons, Holy Trinity has to go. ** Everything about it is a reminder of the Church’s better past, and of all of the church properties to be eliminated, this is the one that must be destroyed primarily for ideological reasons, less than sheer greed. ** If the parishioners declared themselves Jews and the building a synagogue, or if they turned Mohammedan and called it a mosque, or if they became Protestant cultists and the church a kingdom hall, O’Malley would turn sandals over head to placate them. But Catholics receive no such respect and Holy Trinity, if the cardinal has his way, will end up like St. Mary’s and all of the others, physically destroyed or spiritually defiled. The only real question left is, will this house of God be prostituted to a slimy flipper, a false religion, or both.

I’ve heard 88 or 98 churches have been sold, schools etc.
 
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I’ve heard 88 or 98 churches have been sold, schools etc.]()

How are the bankruptcy proceedings going? Are those the gates of Hell that I hear are opening up or is Christ coming with a bigger whip this time?
 
Doesn’t the Archdiocese of Boston have somebody on the staff who is at least somewhat competent in business? How can they be that clueless about the real estate market and the value of property?
 
Doesn’t the Archdiocese of Boston have somebody on the staff who is at least somewhat competent in business? How can they be that clueless about the real estate market and the value of property?
They could use some better business people in Spokane, Portland and San Diego too. But would they really help? Is it really about the real estate market?
 
How are the bankruptcy proceedings going? Are those the gates of Hell that I hear are opening up or is Christ coming with a bigger whip this time?
I think Christ has yet to crack the whip and it is not long off.
 
remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/archive-2007-0131-church_sale.htm

The structure, of German gothic design, looks like a Catholic church should look. To the outside world, it is a fortress of solid granite; inside, it’s a wonderment for the eyes, a reward of beauty for those who belong there. It isn’t an edifice that represents the limp, impotent Church, crawling for a measure of acceptance from the commissars of multiculturalism. The parishioners, too, an unlikely coalition of Germans and Latin Mass Catholics, are an annoyance to the Novus Ordo establishment. The parish was founded in the 19th century to serve the small German community in the city and their descendents have managed to hang on through the storms. As for the Latinists, Cardinal Law grudgingly allowed the Tridentine Mass there in what is now primarily an Asian neighborhood, surely expecting it to fail. Instead, the Traditionalists and Germans combined, not merely to keep the doors open, but to revitalize the parish.

Today, Holy Trinity is what a Catholic parish should be, busy with traditional devotions, ethnic celebrations and concerts of real, western music. Most importantly, though, Holy Trinity is a place of worship for serious Catholics, from seniors to young families. The Jesuits who built the church in the 19th century would recognize the things that go on there as the Church that they knew.

And so, for all these reasons, Holy Trinity has to go. ** Everything about it is a reminder of the Church’s better past, and of all of the church properties to be eliminated, this is the one that must be destroyed primarily for ideological reasons, less than sheer greed. ** If the parishioners declared themselves Jews and the building a synagogue, or if they turned Mohammedan and called it a mosque, or if they became Protestant cultists and the church a kingdom hall, O’Malley would turn sandals over head to placate them. But Catholics receive no such respect and Holy Trinity, if the cardinal has his way, will end up like St. Mary’s and all of the others, physically destroyed or spiritually defiled. The only real question left is, will this house of God be prostituted to a slimy flipper, a false religion, or both.

I’ve heard 88 or 98 churches have been sold, schools etc.
The article does not mention that the Latin Mass is moving to another parish. I have been to Holy Trinity. There are not enough people attending mass to support a parish.
 
They could use some better business people in Spokane, Portland and San Diego too. But would they really help? Is it really about the real estate market?
No, it’s not really about the real estate market, but at least they should be getting fair market value. Besides, if they do get fair market value for some of the properties, they won’t need to close as many churches and schools to get the money they need to pay the lawsuits.
 
Anything the Remnant publishes has to be taken with a huge grain of salt. It’s a radical traditionalist rag, which I wouldn’t line a bird cage with for fear it would mislead the bird.

The northeast has experienced in recent years a population decrease. Jobs have moved to the South and the Southwest. When I was growning up in Texas, Catholics were a minority. We only had a small handful in our high school and they were sort of exotic to us Baptists (at the time). Now, in Texas, you can’t swing a cat without hitting a Catholic. Because of the population influx, the diocese of Galveston-Houston was recently elevated to an archdiocese, abutting the Archdiocese of San Antonio. It is not for no reason that the Northeast and parts of the Midwest are referred to as the “Rust Belt.” I’m sure the abuse and the attendant scandal haven’t helped matters, indeed, they’d had a horrible impact, but it’s pure calumny to assert that HE Cardinal O’Malley would have treated a Jew or Moslem or Protestant better than he would have treated his own flock.
 
No, it’s not really about the real estate market, but at least they should be getting fair market value. Besides, if they do get fair market value for some of the properties, they won’t need to close as many churches and schools to get the money they need to pay the lawsuits.
That’s what happens when you put yourself in a position of weakness. When you’re forced to sell, you’re not going to get top dollar. But why should you have to sell anything if you’re supposed to be flourishing?
 
kangnamdragon oh yes we can support ourselves if our pastor can syphon money from us for more than 10 years to pay for St. James than we can and have supported 2 parishes.
Not to menstion Holy Trinity is one of the few untouched churches in the Boston area and we have most important lots of parking.
While Mary Immaculate of Lourdes is very nice its altar doesn’t hold a candle to Holy Trintiy’s. Plus they have a huge fixed marble table altar. It need major renovations before we can move there, none of which has been done.
 
kangnamdragon oh yes we can support ourselves if our pastor can syphon money from us for more than 10 years to pay for St. James than we can and have supported 2 parishes.
Not to menstion Holy Trinity is one of the few untouched churches in the Boston area and we have most important lots of parking.
While Mary Immaculate of Lourdes is very nice its altar doesn’t hold a candle to Holy Trintiy’s. Plus they have a huge fixed marble table altar. It need major renovations before we can move there, none of which has been done.
I love Holy Trinity and hope it stays open. I just think the article should tell the whole story.

BTW, Is there an empty convent there?
 
The Remnant is squarely in bed with the Lefebvre camp. Although not affiliated on paper with the SSPX, they are both of the same mind in all matters, along with Catholic Family News and Fr. Gruner’s Fatima Crusader. So I would take whatever they say with a grain of salt.

As for the Boston Archdiocese, I can definitely say they have been through the meat grinder these past few years in more ways than one…:ouch:
 
So I would take whatever they say with a grain of salt.
True for a whole lot of other media too. True for a lot of mistranslations that come out of the Vatican as well. But then we only listen or read to what we want to listen or read anyway.

Best thing is to read both sides. Yes, there have been many clerical abuses that have turned many people away from the Church. But who’s to say they were not using this as an excuse not to support the Church anymore anyway? On the other hand, were there really as many abuses as the “victims” claim?
 
Holy Trinity German Catholic is a very beautiful Church and should allow to stay. I use to attend that Church back in 1994 and use too help out passing out the Mass Books that were used.

I was very much a part of the Traditionalists group at Holy Trinity Church. I wish that the Traditionalists could keep it for their own.

I’m not RC my faith is Orthodox Christian, but I still feel something for the Traditionalists that are still there. I had join them for the their Divine Liturgy every Sunday at Noon. I had left my EO Church to join them for some three years.

I had to leave because I was treated terrible by the Novus Ordo Nun and said to myself why I need to take this and I left to go back to my Orthodox Church.

It will be a great loss to have that Church taken down because it has to pay off for problems that the RC Church has had.

The Traditionalists should be given the Church so that they can worship the way they want.

I wish the Traditionalists well on there future.
 
kangnamdragon oh yes we can support ourselves if our pastor can syphon money from us for more than 10 years to pay for St. James than we can and have supported 2 parishes.
Not to menstion Holy Trinity is one of the few untouched churches in the Boston area and we have most important lots of parking.
While Mary Immaculate of Lourdes is very nice its altar doesn’t hold a candle to Holy Trintiy’s. Plus they have a huge fixed marble table altar. It need major renovations before we can move there, none of which has been done.
:amen:

There are many in the Boston area praying for Holy Trinity.
 
Holy Trinity German Catholic is a very beautiful Church and should allow to stay. I use to attend that Church back in 1994 and use too help out passing out the Mass Books that were used.

I was very much a part of the Traditionalists group at Holy Trinity Church. I wish that the Traditionalists could keep it for their own.

I’m not RC my faith is Orthodox Christian, but I still feel something for the Traditionalists that are still there. I had join them for the their Divine Liturgy every Sunday at Noon. I had left my EO Church to join them for some three years.

I had to leave because I was treated terrible by the Novus Ordo Nun and said to myself why I need to take this and I left to go back to my Orthodox Church.

It will be a great loss to have that Church taken down because it has to pay off for problems that the RC Church has had.

The Traditionalists should be given the Church so that they can worship the way they want.

I wish the Traditionalists well on there future.
Nothing succeeds like tradition ! Sorry the nun treated you so bad. Don’t ever hear of modernist orthodox nuns. Golly, maybe, just maybe, they could be happy !!! What a concept. :eek:
 
True for a whole lot of other media too. True for a lot of mistranslations that come out of the Vatican as well. But then we only listen or read to what we want to listen or read anyway.

Best thing is to read both sides. Yes, there have been many clerical abuses that have turned many people away from the Church. But who’s to say they were not using this as an excuse not to support the Church anymore anyway? On the other hand, were there really as many abuses as the “victims” claim?
IWhat I found interesting is the first payout in L.A. was to a former Nun who is a lesbian that heads a school for children of homosexual parents. This former Nun also stated she discovered that she had been abused after 40 years when she attended a sensitivity class that taught regressive memory.

Made me think is there a scandal within the scandal.
 
The article does not mention that the Latin Mass is moving to another parish. I have been to Holy Trinity. There are not enough people attending mass to support a parish.
What Parish is that? The person I spoke to last Friday didn’t indicate to me the Latin Mass was moving to another parish.
 
What Parish is that? The person I spoke to last Friday didn’t indicate to me the Latin Mass was moving to another parish.
I think it is Mary Immaculate of Lourdes. I wish Holy Trinity would stay open though. Actually, I wish every parish had at least one Latin Mass.
 
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