Why is Catholicism better?

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Skadi said:
I think what she meant was “Why do Christians believe they have a monopoly on truth”. Most pagan religions (when taken allegorically) are not mutually exclusive.
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Very much so! I didn’t consider that issue my apologies!
 
Lokadottir said:
Look if God is such a jealous SO as to damn me for seeing other people who lied about who they are which is outside of my fault, I want no part of heaven.
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God gives us all free will to accept or to reject him. The fact that you are able to vent against him is proof of that. We are not perfect. God, by definition, is perfect. So, wherever you and I end up will be the result of God’s perfect mercy and justice. If when you die you really want no part of Heaven God will grant you your request. But the other place is where satan and his demons are as well as murderers, rapists, child molesters, etc.
 
livingwordunity said:
God gives us all free will to accept or to reject him. The fact that you are able to vent against him is proof of that. We are not perfect. God, by definition, is perfect. So, wherever you and I end up will be the result of God’s perfect mercy and justice. If when you die you really want no part of Heaven, God will grant you your request.
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Yes and I give free will to my boyfriend to break up with me, but if he did I wouldn’t torture him for eternity. That always struck me as ridiculously harsh. If anyone was in a relationship like that with another person someone would call the police!
 
Skadi said:
Or she may drink with her ancestors and the gods in Valhalla, I guess we have to wait and see. But i’ll say this, no religion class description of heaven ever impressed me to much. Personally, when they told me that I would love everyone in heaven like my wife on earth I almost walked out of class. I was down right offended.
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No. Heaven or hell… You can choose between the 2.
And obviously the love of wife to love everyone in heaven comparison is rather…stupid.
The love you have here for your spouse and other loved ones is but a foretaste of the life to come.
Lokadottir said:
Or that you won’t miss anyone you knew in life who was sent to Hell. That one makes me very upset.
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Yes it can b that way. But you will be happy when you are with God 🙂
 
Lokadottir said:
Yes and I give free will to my boyfriend to break up with me, but if he did I wouldn’t torture him for eternity. That always struck me as ridiculously harsh. If anyone was in a relationship like that with another person someone would call the police!
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You are the one who said that you don’t want to go to Heaven.
Lokadottir said:
Look if God is such a jealous SO as to damn me for seeing other people who lied about who they are which is outside of my fault, I want no part of heaven.
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People in Hell aren’t tortured by God, they are tortured by themselves.
 
Ecclesiaticus_S said:
No. Heaven or hell… You can choose between the 2.
And obviously the love of wife to love everyone in heaven comparison is rather…stupid.
The love you have here for your spouse and other loved ones is but a foretaste of the life to come.

Yes it can b that way. But you will be happy when you are with God 🙂
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  1. Saying a statement over and over again does not make it definite.
  2. I’m just telling you what my teacher said and she’s a theology major married to a man who was initially planning on being a priest.
 
Lokadottir said:
Yes and I give free will to my boyfriend to break up with me, but if he did I wouldn’t torture him for eternity. That always struck me as ridiculously harsh. If anyone was in a relationship like that with another person someone would call the police!
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The life of a Christian is a very hard one, we follow the very narrow path - the one that leads to God and his ways.

You can see that God does not want sissified weaklings as his children he wants hardened, tempered and disciplined ones.
 
livingwordunity said:
You are the one who said that you don’t want to go to Heaven.
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If God is such a jealous little (thing I can’t say here) as to damn me for making relationships with other beings, because then I don’t want to be around Him.
 
Lokadottir said:
If God is such a jealous little (thing I can’t say here) as to damn me for making relationships with other beings, because then I don’t want to be around Him.
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You have a very confused understanding of God, Heaven, and Hell. I suggest reading the Catechism of the Catholic Church if you would like to have a correct understanding.
 
livingwordunity said:
You have a very confused understanding of God, Heaven, and Hell. I suggest reading the Catechism of the Catholic Church if you would like to have a correct understanding.
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I understand it. This is my concession regarding the afterlife if I am in fact wrong. 🙂
 
Skadi said:
I think what she meant was “Why do Christians believe they have a monopoly on truth”. Most pagan religions (when taken allegorically) are not mutually exclusive.
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Perhaps a quibble, but Catholicism does not declare itself to have a “monopoly on truth.” On the contrary, the church takes pains to find common ground with people of other faiths and try to build bridges of human solidarity in areas where we hold common beliefs. In this way the church has affirmed some aspects of Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism and even paganism. Perhaps you meant to object to the fact that Christians always believe they are correct on points that conflict with other religions.

Think about THAT for a second. Is it REALLY so unreasonable and uncharitable to actually believe what you say you believe and not declare it to be some sort of vague uncertainty? Perhaps it would be if, in fact, one makes up his own religion. But when it is one that is understood to have been handed down for 2,000 years from God incarnate who came to earth to preach that faith, live the example and give his very flesh as an offering of love? That’s not unreasonable unless you assert that the very idea of faith (properly defined) is irrational.
 
Lokadottir said:
Yes and I give free will to my boyfriend to break up with me, but if he did I wouldn’t torture him for eternity. That always struck me as ridiculously harsh. If anyone was in a relationship like that with another person someone would call the police!
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Hell is eternity in the absence of God.

Applying that to your analogy is somewhat apt.
 
manualman said:
Perhaps a quibble, but Catholicism does not declare itself to have a “monopoly on truth.” On the contrary, the church takes pains to find common ground with people of other faiths and try to build bridges of human solidarity in areas where we hold common beliefs. In this way the church has affirmed some aspects of Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism and even paganism. Perhaps you meant to object to the fact that Christians always believe they are correct on points that conflict with other religions.

Think about THAT for a second. Is it REALLY so unreasonable and uncharitable to actually believe what you say you believe and not declare it to be some sort of vague uncertainty? Perhaps it would be if, in fact, one makes up his own religion. But when it is one that is understood to have been handed down for 2,000 years from God incarnate who came to earth to preach that faith, live the example and give his very flesh as an offering of love? That’s not unreasonable unless you assert that the very idea of faith (properly defined) is irrational.
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I think what Lokadottir may object to is not so much your own Christian (Catholic) belief, but your spreading that conviction by means of evangelizing. However, part and parcel of Christianity is spreading the Gospel of Christ by word and deed. If one does not agree with this (or other) aspects of the faith, one is always free to “change the channel,” so to speak, and try some other channel (faith).
 
manualman said:
Perhaps a quibble, but Catholicism does not declare itself to have a “monopoly on truth.” On the contrary, the church takes pains to find common ground with people of other faiths and try to build bridges of human solidarity in areas where we hold common beliefs.
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In fact, the Church has always prided itself on the fact that we subsume whatever IS true into our beliefs:
*Whatever things were rightly said among all men, are the property of us Christians. *
St. Justin Martyr, 2nd Apology, Ch XIII

This is sometimes paraphrased, not inaccurately, as “Whatever is True, is Ours!!”
 
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