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MartinJordan
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I can agree with this.
Of course there is the matter of Gifts and Fruits of the Holy Spirit when conveying the Truth. Christianity is RIGHT in this doctrine and it is FINAL.
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Of course there is the matter of Gifts and Fruits of the Holy Spirit when conveying the Truth. Christianity is RIGHT in this doctrine and it is FINAL.
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daler
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Martin,
. Theologically, there exists a problem common to Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Each appears to teach the Finality of the Divine Message by stating that No Messenger of God has come after
A Moses
B Jesus
C Muhammad
. Yet each of these religions also expect the coming of:
A The Lord of Hosts
B The Return of Christ
C The Qaim or Mahdi
. When those who identify themselves as the true followers of any of these three religions claim the finality of Revelation, it is from a relative standpoint of an interpretation of their particular system of belief.
. Since the Baha’i Faith has been mentioned, it seems appropriate to clarify the position that the fulfillment of the expectations of all of these religions are to be found in the coming of Baha’u’llah.
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Judas_Thaddeus
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BUT…There was no “Last Prophet” stance in Judaism prior to Christ. The Tanakh/Septuagint
foretold of the coming of the Messiah, not to mention a prophet who would make straight the
way for the Messiah, this being John the Baptist preparing the way for Jesus the Messiah.
Not to mention Paul tells us that in times of old God sent prophets to us,
BUT IN THESE LAST DAYS, God has spoken to us BY HIS SON, Jesus
Christ.
Both Jesus and Paul warn us also of false prophets and false gospels, Baha’u’llah being
a false prophet, the Baha’i Faith being a false gospel, both in opposition to Christ Jesus
and His Gospel, oy vey, I get the confusion if one is born in the Baha’i Faith, but what in
the world aside from ignorance of what Christianity says would drive a person to become
a Baha’i?
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tonyfish58
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Thank you for this wonderful question!
Love for the One True God without the Mystery. Love for why Christ came and died for our sins. Love for the Father that Christ promised He would send.
Man has now matured enough to understand the Messengers connection with God, we have to balance this understanding with Science and Reason.
Regards Tony
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Judas_Thaddeus
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First, the One True God is an Infinite Eternal Uncreated Being, weThank you for this wonderful question!
Love for the One True God without the Mystery. Love for why Christ came and died for our sins. Love for the Father that Christ promised He would send.
Man has now matured enough to understand the Messengers connection with God, we have to balance this understanding with Science and Reason.
Regards Tony
are only finite temporal created beings, and as such, we can never
know all the Mysteries of God. Also, Christ never promised that He
would send the Father, rather He brings is TO the Father. I believe
you were referring to the Helper/Comforter that Jesus promised his
Apostles would come, the Comforter whom the Father will send in
Jesus’ name. This is the Holy Spirit, who came at Pentecost.
There are still many problems which can’t be dealt with enough, so let me re-ask:
And plus the Roman Catholic Church is big enough to allow in Science
& Reason, for example: The Big Bang Theory - By a Catholic Priest !!!
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MartinJordan
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rinnie
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It does not teach the fullness of the truth given to us by the Holy Spirit.
Too many things go against the teachings of Christ.
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daler
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Rinnie,
. There is much that has “died” in the Islamic world which is evident today, but in truth, one could say the same thing about other religious systems. There is also much good in all of them, much charity, etc.
. When I grew up in the 50’s and 60’s on a Sioux Reservation, there was a whole lot wrong in the “Christian” world, including racism, materialism, Viet Nam war, much hypocrisy, etc.
. Having read the Quran 3 times, cover to cover over a long period of time (about 15 years), I came to view it is mostly a re-telling of much of what is in the Old Testament, with only a very few differences.
. I try very, very hard to be fair in my observance of other religions, seeking to understand both that which comes from their Holy Books and the behavior of those who are the followers. Honestly, I see no more hypocrisy in one over the next group “professing” to follow this or that faith, but rather observe essentially human behavior at work, including both spiritual and that which might only be alleged to be spiritual.
. It seems to me that the very frame contained within the title of this thread exposes such an extreme bias that to approach the theme honestly is above the capacity of most people. It is like an old racist creating a thread called: “Why are whites right and blacks wrong?”
. Religious prejudice blocks as much light as racial prejudice, and I think its a dark court room… No offense intended, just an observation. Why not focus on how much is held in common? Which is about 90% or more
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MartinJordan
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It’s a nice sentiment. So many new religious leaders are saying the same thing, several who just tells us Catholics to be “be a good Catholic” and that all can be hunky dory. But there is no room for relativism in Catholicism.
It would have been better if these Christians actually followed Church teachings.
Reading is not the same as praying. It’s better to pray than to read. Contemplating upon God and focusing on Him and doing everything in His Name because He is Our Creator is much better.
Yes, the Quran is a re-telling but with SERIOUS errors and lack of RESPECT for the Jewish and Christian teachings that existed LONG before Islam was a speck in the conscious.
But seriously Catholicism teaches so much more (and has answers to ALL questions) and if followed properly will sent one FREE and WE have the PROMISE of God’s ONLY SON that he will NOT leave HIS Church orphans…
No prejudice by Catholicism on other Faiths. Can you point me to any teaching by the Catholic Magisterium that this is the case?
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imamuslim
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I don’t understand why your thread has to be titled like that.
You have already all “answers” in your mind, you did not post to receive answers, information and understanding. However if you already think you “know” the truth, why ask ?
I will never uderstand this phenomena. It buggles my mind that you claim to be religious and Jesus’s follower, yet just by reading a few phrases I can sense hostility, where’s the “Love your neighbor as you love yourself” ? I dont think Jesus preached his message by “I’m right you’re all doomed and wrong”
You have already all “answers” in your mind, you did not post to receive answers, information and understanding. However if you already think you “know” the truth, why ask ?
I will never uderstand this phenomena. It buggles my mind that you claim to be religious and Jesus’s follower, yet just by reading a few phrases I can sense hostility, where’s the “Love your neighbor as you love yourself” ? I dont think Jesus preached his message by “I’m right you’re all doomed and wrong”
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dronald
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I believe the question was originally posed to help with Apologetics.I don’t understand why your thread has to be titled like that.
You have already all “answers” in your mind, you did not post to receive answers, information and understanding. However if you already think you “know” the truth, why ask ?
I will never uderstand this phenomena. It buggles my mind that you claim to be religious and Jesus’s follower, yet just by reading a few phrases I can sense hostility, where’s the “Love your neighbor as you love yourself” ? I dont think Jesus preached his message by “I’m right you’re all doomed and wrong”
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Servant19
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Actually, my Bahai friends children had many Catholic friends at school. When they all applied to go to the local Catholic high school, the Bahai kid got told “good luck”
He cried due to the prejudice he suffered. Not sure if that’s magisterial teaching, but the Catholic schools here in Australia are like that. Maybe it’s just in Australia?
Also, this:
papalencyclicals.net/Greg16/g16quasv.htm
I would never wish to attack Catholicism, but I felt your absolutism required a response.
We should love all, and with humility…
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MartinJordan
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Stop making this a Bahai thread. And its easy to criticize an established Faith. If you have a problem with Catholicism start another thread.
MJ
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Servant19
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My apologies sir…
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SteveVH
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It is certainly not magisterial teaching and I would bet that the Catholic school’s reason for denying admittance had nothing to do with the person being Baha’i. This is like being called a racist if I disagree with my current president’s agenda.
“Our president is black. You are white and disagree with him therefore you are racist.”
“My child is Baha’i and was refused admittance into a Catholic School, therefore the School discriminates against Baha’i children”.
Baloney.
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Servant19
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No I didn’t say that it discriminates “just” against Baha’is, it discriminates against all non-Christians. Here are the prioritisations for Catholic schools around the globe:
*** Children of Catholic families
(* who are actively involved in the parish on which the school depend)
Children of families residing in other parishes in which they are actively involved
Children of families affiliated to Churches in communion with the Roman Catholic Church, such as the Maronite Church
Children of Catholic families residing within the parish/parishes on which the school depends
Children of Catholic families residing in other parishes
Children of Orthodox or other Christian families
Children of families of other religious convictions
Children from non-Catholic backgrounds are accepted in most schools, but acceptance will depend on vacancies.***
There are 7 categories of children which take precedence over the category of “non-Catholic background”.
I thought we judged a person by the quality of their character, not the beliefs of their parents and forefathers? (cf Martin Luther King speech)
Don’t get me wrong, its a problem within Islamic and Jewish schools too. I struggle sometimes to understand that things like this can be done, and the Catholic Church washes its hands away from it by saying what you said Steve, “it is not magesterial teaching”
The things that hide behind the scenes in the name of Catholicism which is not magesterial teaching, and Islam, which is not Quranic teaching, is something fair-minded people are getting tired with…
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daler
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Martin,
. Thank you for the clarity of your thoughts. Please understand that in my reference to the hypocrisy spoken of on the Reservation, I was not judging any particular Faith, but rather attempting to point out that one can witness faults in humanity in quite a pervasive scope regardless of the religion held.
. In observing this in others, I observe it in myself. We (humanity) seem prone to deficiency of complacency and slide downhill together, as evidenced by the evening news. What troubles me at times is the tendency to ascribe faults and bad behaviors to “others” in the target zone under the pretext of a superior moral position being identified under a generalization banner of “my faith vs their faith”
. I think the structure of the framework invites bias above objectivity and deflects from the approach of “Come, let us reason together”
. How can people reason when demonized from the get go?
. I would absolutely love to sit down with all these folks who appear here in a Coffee Shop setting, from as broad a religious base as possible, in an atmosphere of courtesy and reverence, respect and tolerance, without a trace of paternalism or false humility.
. God bless, my brother. God bless
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MartinJordan
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I appreciate your sentiments to me. I also pray That the Charity of God the Father, the Grace of Jesus and the Communion of the Holy Spirit bless you.
Peace.
MJ
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daler
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Thank you brother Martin… God bless you, my friend
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tonyfish58
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