Why is God refered to as He?

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I agree with Tracy’s statement on “gender-inclusive” language.

I’m feeling a bit insulted by the experts, etc., who advocated this stuff. They seem to think that I can’t think of “he” in a generic sense. . . which isn’t true at all. . . I CAN mentally divorce specific gender content from that word. The experts think I’m a child, unable to do so.

I’m not certain whether there really ARE any benefits to men (I’m male) from the use of the male pronoun in this abstract sense.

If there are, let me know. I’ll then try to claim them! 🙂

At the end of the day, I can’t help but wish for good grammar. One of my major pet peeves is the misuse of the words “I” and “me”. 🙂
Or we cannot understand the difference between apostles, disciples and friends.
 
I really don’t care if you refer to God as “He” or “She”. (Not true, it should be He)

I want to know why if God is made up of 3 ppl, why God is not referred to as “they”.

It should be logical.
 
I don’t know for sure, but my guess is the patrirarchical nature of middle eastern and western societies. In those environments, assuming God is a man would be typical.

I like to think of God as my Mother. A beautiful, caring, loving Mother who holds me, loves me and always forgives me. And She allows me to give her all of the love that I have.
 
I don’t know for sure, but my guess is the patrirarchical nature of middle eastern and western societies. In those environments, assuming God is a man would be typical.

I like to think of God as my Mother. A beautiful, caring, loving Mother who holds me, loves me and always forgives me. And She allows me to give her all of the love that I have.
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I don’t know for sure, but my guess is the patrirarchical nature of middle eastern and western societies. In those environments, assuming God is a man would be typical.

I like to think of God as my Mother. A beautiful, caring, loving Mother who holds me, loves me and always forgives me. And She allows me to give her all of the love that I have.
Hmmmmnnn! :hmmm:God sent His only son and didn’t realize that His message and actions would not suffice for the future? He did not realize that sending Him in a patriarchal society would not have ramifications in the future?

Perhaps we do not understand God’s intent at the time and for all ages.
 
I like to think of God as my Mother. A beautiful, caring, loving Mother who holds me, loves me and always forgives me. And She allows me to give her all of the love that I have.
I would prefer to think of God the way Jesus taught us. Our Father…
Prayers & Blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
I don’t know for sure, but my guess is the patrirarchical nature of middle eastern and western societies. In those environments, assuming God is a man would be typical.

I like to think of God as my Mother. A beautiful, caring, loving Mother who holds me, loves me and always forgives me. And She allows me to give her all of the love that I have.
I think that is an incorrect theology.

It’s very modern, God as the indulgent mother who can’t bear to punish us. It’s just like the “Jesus is our friend” catechesis. It has led to people believeing it’s REALLY hard to commit mortal sins, and practically no one is in Hell.

Unfortunately, it is dead wrong. God is a He. He is our infinitely foregiving, and infinitely just FATHER. He will only forgive if we repent, and do penance. God as a stern, bur fair Father is a much more useful, and accurate view.

God Bless
 
Thank you for God’s blessings.

Humans’ early medieval view of God as a stern magistrate who slaps his creatures into Hell because they offend him no longer well serves God or us. That view may have been useful in a time of social chaos when maintaining strict order was necessary for both Church and society. It ill-serves us today.

God no doubt has the attribute of justice and makes judgements, God IS love. Not has love or makes love or shows love…but IS love clear through. And that is a concept we do not understand well, because we don’t encounter it in our world.

God is mother to me as God was to Blessed Julian of Norwich who, as far as I know, has not (yet) been condemned for her writing

God Bless you, too…
 
Thank you for God’s blessings.

That view may have been useful in a time of social chaos when maintaining strict order was necessary for both Church and society. It ill-serves us today.
We have not seen social chaos like we have today since the Dark Ages. The disintegration of the family, abortion, adultery, fornication, contraception, homsexuality, divorce, not only tolerated, but often celebrated. Western society refusing to reproduce b/c we rather consume our resources and enjoy our leisure than raise children. We could use some strict order, or any order.

Morally, the Middle Ages were Eden compared to our depraved modern society.

The fact is, modern man needs more FEAR of God.

God is Father, not mother, we know this from Jesus himself.

God Bless
 
It is interesting that nearly all of your references to today’s social chaos relate to human sexuality. Now I understand better from whence you come.

If you truly believe that there is more social chaos and disorder at the present time then there was 1,000 years ago, all I can do is suggest that you read original accounts from that period, many of which were written by monks and other clerics, by the way. Whether God is a man, a woman or a flying pony, we in this culture, at least, live in greater security now than in any previous age.

Nor is is not human nature to love that which one fears. Humanity needs to first acknowledge God, and then to love God, but not to fear God (at least in the modern sense of “fear”; that is to be terrorized by and dread.)

God Bless Us and All Her Children
 
Like ONE person with a multiple personalities.
Your comment about God having multiple personalities, while I guess is an attempt at humor, show a lack of respect and lack of catechesis. Did not Jesus say" the Father and I are one." Do you not pray the Creed at mass wherein it says “One in being with the Father”. Your profile says you are Catholic. What is the extent of your Catholic education about things Catholic and about our faith.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
Hmmmmnnn! :hmmm:God sent His only son and didn’t realize that His message and actions would not suffice for the future? He did not realize that sending Him in a patriarchal society would not have ramifications in the future?

Perhaps we do not understand God’s intent at the time and for all ages.
I have to continue to agree with you buffalo - presuming that God was limited by the patriarchal rules of the time is artificially giving God a weakness or forcing Him to play into ours; in my view, it’s a last attempt by the politically correct to place God into a mold with which they are more comfortable (I don’t mean everyone who disagrees with me has this intention, but it seems to be the root of the issue). Why would our infinite and all-knowing God not have referred to Himself as the gender-neutral “God” if this was part of His revelation? Again, I would direct people to Pope John Paul II’s Theology of the Body if they really want to understand why God must be our Father.

Some of the confusion might come from our society’s limited understanding of the genders…to many people, gender = genitalia. If that is all people are worried about, then rest assured that God transcends these characteristics. But we have to understand that the male and female forms were created in the image of the Trinity: in the same way that the husband gives the gift of himself to his wife to form a new life, God the Father gives graces to His Church (i.e. The Bride of Christ, you and I). Like I said earlier, I can hardly do justice to this topic, but I hope this helps clear things up a bit. Jesus didn’t just call God our Father by accident…there is some deep theology rooted in the use of that term.
 
I think God chose humans to spread the truth because s/he knew we would eventually confound ourselves by placing labels on her/him…
But sometimes He used a sterile a_ss as well. Recollect Ballam’s a_ss in *Numbers 22:29-30: And Balaam said unto the a_ss, Because thou hast mocked me, I would there were a sword in my hand, for now I had killed thee. 30 And the a_ss said unto Balaam, Am not I thine a_ss, upon which thou hast ridden all thy life long unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? and he said, Nay. *
I agree that because we are human and verbal, written, visual communication is the only way we can inform, teach another, God chose a man, Christ, to do the initial spiritual work on earth because at that time society was absolutely patriarchal. And this type of society was accepted by most members of the world then. BUT did God actually say that ONLY men were to be the leaders in Faith? Or did MEN continue to ordain the roles of both men and women after Christ’s death?. After all, we well know in History that the stronger person, group etc. are the ones that win. And winners get to write the history of what happened. Now, I am not denying any truths here regarding those who wrote the gospels, epistles documents etc. , but have you ever considered that half of humanity, regarding leadership in the church, was left out after Christ died? …
I must say here that you have a definate feminist chip on your shoulder here. On one hand you suggest that men have held women back and have misrepresented the truth. That sounds like pure gnostic heresy. Recollect that it was The Church that advanced women’s rights all through history. The Church is the winner - men as a subgroup are not the winner at the loss of the female. You make unnecessary divisions on the Body of Christ and mother Church. The Catholic Church is full to the brim with female “leadership” in the laity. The priests are being relieved more and more of the administrative duties to serve more fully in their priestly roles. Look around you and see the men and women of the laity who are teaching CCD, preparing the music and helping with the liturgical planning and sitting on advisory boards. If you feel left out then men should feel left out that they were not blessed with the ability to have children and share directly in that relational blessing! Come on - get some perspective here. There are legitimate differences in the sexes and some roles are ordained by God and not by “people” (e.g. men and women, boys and girls, males and females). Further has it ever occurred to you that Mary is the highest ranking created creature in all of heaven - forever? Do you hear men running about complaining that a women got the top human leadership position in God’s heavenly court? :rolleyes:
It is very hard for me to picture every woman in Jerusalem, the Gallilee etc. staying behind closed doors and not going to hear Jesus talk and not taking some form of leadership role. True, those women had to observe Judaic law (read, “What the guys said”, here.) unless they were lucky to be wealthy enough not to have to depend on the male half of the world to see to their care.
You ever notice that there is almost no mention of anyone bickering or posturing about “leadership positions” in the gospels except from a woman, the MOTHER of James and John (The Boanerges - The Sons of Thunder)? You are so preoccupied with finding how men have held women back that you completely forget or overlook the key roles played by all the strong OT Jewish archtypes that prefigure Mary (e.g. Sarah, Rebecca, Rachel, Miriam, the sister of Moses, Deborah, Abigail, Ruth, Judith, Esther). Do you imagine any of these women were held back by men? Do you imagine Mary is less than any man in heaven? Also don’t forget the very important women of the early Church: Priscilla and Aquila are described by the writer of Acts (in Acts 18) as wife and husband. When Apollos “began to speak boldly in the synagogue” about Jesus, “Priscilla and Aquila… took him aside and explained the Way of God to him more accurately.” (Acts 18:26, NRSV). Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome" (Mark 16:1, NRSV) were found worthy to be the ones to “go, tell his disciples and Peter” (Mark 16:7, NRSV). There is also Martha and Mary, Mary Magdalene. It was Mary Magdalene who **first discovered **the empty tomb after the Resurrection, and she was also the first to both see the risen Christ and to testify to what she had seen. In fact, she is mentioned a total of fourteen times in the story, the most of any one disciple, a significant testament to her importance. Even Pilate’s wife had a role and may have been a secret follower of Christ. Back to Priscilla, she was one of the most learned women in the Bible. She, along with her husband Aquila, was a close personal friend of the Apostle Paul, and she alone was the teacher of the eloquent and learned scholar, Apollos. It is even suggested, though never proven, that Priscilla was the author of the Biblical Book of Hebrews.
Call me feminist if you wish. …
I think that for some women, “What a waste of talent and knowledge”.
OK then - “you are a feminist”. What a waste of talent and knowledge to not realize how important and irreplaceable your role is as a woman.

James
 
Your comment about God having multiple personalities, while I guess is an attempt at humor, show a lack of respect and lack of catechesis. Did not Jesus say" the Father and I are one." Do you not pray the Creed at mass wherein it says “One in being with the Father”. Your profile says you are Catholic. What is the extent of your Catholic education about things Catholic and about our faith.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
What does it mean to be one?

I heard it said that God is one being but has three persona’s. So my analogy fits, its just that there is a negative connotation to it. So since it appears that I am badly catechized may I ask what does it mean to be a person when speaking about God?

Jesus is begotten of the father just as ones speech is begotten from the mind. And God has spirit and is spirit and this is where we derive the holy spirit. But in what way are they one?
 
I must say here that you have a definate feminist chip on your shoulder here. On one hand you suggest that men have held women back and have misrepresented the truth. That sounds like pure gnostic heresy. Recollect that it was The Church that advanced women’s rights all through history. The Church is the winner - men as a subgroup are not the winner at the loss of the female. You make unnecessary divisions on the Body of Christ and mother Church. The Catholic Church is full to the brim with female “leadership” in the laity. The priests are being relieved more and more of the administrative duties to serve more fully in their priestly roles. Look around you and see the men and women of the laity who are teaching CCD, preparing the music and helping with the liturgical planning and sitting on advisory boards. If you feel left out then men should feel left out that they were not blessed with the ability to have children and share directly in that relational blessing! Come on - get some perspective here. There are legitimate differences in the sexes and some roles are ordained by God and not by “people” (e.g. men and women, boys and girls, males and females). Further has it ever occurred to you that Mary is the highest ranking created creature in all of heaven - forever? Do you hear men running about complaining that a women got the top human leadership position in God’s heavenly court? :rolleyes:

You ever notice that there is almost no mention of anyone bickering or posturing about “leadership positions” in the gospels except from a woman, the MOTHER of James and John (The Boanerges - The Sons of Thunder)? You are so preoccupied with finding how men have held women back that you completely forget or overlook the key roles played by all the strong OT Jewish archtypes that prefigure Mary (e.g. Sarah, Rebecca, Rachel, Miriam, the sister of Moses, Deborah, Abigail, Ruth, Judith, Esther). Do you imagine any of these women were held back by men? Do you imagine Mary is less than any man in heaven? Also don’t forget the very important women of the early Church: Priscilla and Aquila are described by the writer of Acts (in Acts 18) as wife and husband. When Apollos “began to speak boldly in the synagogue” about Jesus, “Priscilla and Aquila… took him aside and explained the Way of God to him more accurately.” (Acts 18:26, NRSV). Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome" (Mark 16:1, NRSV) were found worthy to be the ones to “go, tell his disciples and Peter” (Mark 16:7, NRSV). There is also Martha and Mary, Mary Magdalene. It was Mary Magdalene who **first discovered **the empty tomb after the Resurrection, and she was also the first to both see the risen Christ and to testify to what she had seen. In fact, she is mentioned a total of fourteen times in the story, the most of any one disciple, a significant testament to her importance. Even Pilate’s wife had a role and may have been a secret follower of Christ. Back to Priscilla, she was one of the most learned women in the Bible. She, along with her husband Aquila, was a close personal friend of the Apostle Paul, and she alone was the teacher of the eloquent and learned scholar, Apollos. It is even suggested, though never proven, that Priscilla was the author of the Biblical Book of Hebrews.

James
👍 great post (and I’m a woman too!)

I just have a little question for some of you on this thread…
Some here call God a she (or he/she, as I saw in a previous post), but would they also be content in calling the devil a she (or he/she)? 🤷
 
What does it mean to be one?

I heard it said that God is one being but has three persona’s. So my analogy fits, its just that there is a negative connotation to it. So since it appears that I am badly catechized may I ask what does it mean to be a person when speaking about God?

Jesus is begotten of the father just as ones speech is begotten from the mind. And God has spirit and is spirit and this is where we derive the holy spirit. But in what way are they one?
All three persons of God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit are ONE GOD. The fact that there are three individual distinct persons, but only one God, is a mystery of our faith. We cannot understand it. No one can explain it. We, with a finite mind, cannot understand an infinite being. It is something we accept on faith. When we die and hopefully are in heaven, we will no longer have faith, we will have knowledge. Because at that time, we shall see God as he is.
Prayers & Blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
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