Why is Hell Eternal?

[Joe_Kelley]

Which saints? I would like to learn more about what happens when a person dies.

The Children at Fatima saw souls in Hell and I think saw some falling in. Mary gave them the vision to encourage them to pray for erring souls and for them to encourage others to pray.

I think Saint John Bosco saw souls falling from the path leading to heaven into the abyss, but don’t have a source for that.

 

[Sir_Knight]

Which saints? I would like to learn more about what happens when a person dies.

I think Saint John Bosco saw souls falling from the path leading to heaven into the abyss, but don’t have a source for that.

Approved Apparition - A fifteen year old boy in Turin was about to die. He called for Don Bosco, but the saint was not able to make it in time. Another priest heard the boy’s confession and the boy died. When Don Bosco returned to Turin, he set out at once to see the boy. When told that the boy was dead, he insisted that it was “just a misunderstanding.” After a moment of prayer in the room of the dead child, Don Bosco suddenly cried out: “Charles! Rise!” To the utter amazement of all present, the boy stirred, opened his eyes, and sat up. Seeing Don Bosco, his eyes lit up.

“Father, I should now be in Hell!” gasped the boy. “Two weeks ago I was with a bad companion who led me into sin and at my last confession, I was afraid to tell everything . . . Oh, I’ve just come out of a horrible dream! I dreamt I was standing on the edge of a huge furnace surrounded by a horde of devils. They were about to throw me into the flames when a beautiful Lady appeared and stopped them. ‘There’s still hope for you, Charles,’ she told me. ‘You have not yet been judged!’ At that moment I heard you calling me. Oh, Don Bosco! What a joy to see you again! Will you please hear my confession?”

After hearing the boy’s confession, Don Bosco said to the boy, “Charles, now that the gates of Heaven lie wide open for you, would you rather go there or stay here with us?” The boy looked away for a moment and his eyes grew moist with tears. An expectant hush fell over the room. “Don Bosco”, he said at last, “I’d rather go to Heaven.” The mourners watched in amazement as Charles leaned back on the pillows, closed his eyes, and settled once more into the stillness of death.

 

[Sir_Knight]

Which saints? I would like to learn more about what happens when a person dies.

The Children at Fatima saw souls in Hell and I think saw some falling in. Mary gave them the vision to encourage them to pray for erring souls and for them to encourage others to pray.

Approved Apparition - In 1917, during World War I and that “hell on earth,” the Virgin Mary appeared to three children at Fatima, Portugal on the 13th of the month from May through October. During here appearance on July 13th, 1917, she showed these three young children, ages 7 to 10, a vision of Hell. Lucia, who is still alive today [R.I.P. Feb. 13, 2005], the Blessed Virgin Mary opened her hands, and "rays of light seemed to penetrate the earth, and we saw as it were a sea of fire. Plunged in this fire were demons and souls in human form, like transparent burning embers, all blackened or burnished bronze, floating about in the conflagration, now raised into the air by the flames that issued from within themselves together with great clouds of smoke, now falling back on every side like sparks in huge fires, without weight or equilibrium, amid shrieks and groans of pain and despair, which horrified us and made us tremble with fear. (It must have been this sight which caused me to cry out, as people say they heard me.) The demons could be distinguished by their terrifying and repellent likeness to frightful and unknown animals, black and transparent like burning coals. Terrified and as if to plead for help, we looked up at Our Lady, who said to us so sadly: “You have seen Hell where the souls of poor sinners go. Thus, when you say the rosary, say after each mystery: O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of Hell and lead all souls to Heaven, especially those most in need of Thy Mercy.” After this vision, the children lived dramatic lives of sacrifice and penance for sinners so that sinners might be converted and saved from the fires of Hell that God had shown them through His Heavenly prophetess.

 

[Sir_Knight]

• Sister Faustina, the beatified [canonized April 30, 2000] Polish nun was shown Hell in 1936. Here is her account from her Diary (741): “Today, I was led by an angel to the chasms of hell. It is a place of great torture; how awesomely large and extensive it is! The kinds of tortures I saw: the first torture that constitutes hell is the loss of God; the second is perpetual remorse of conscience; the third is that one’s condition will never change; (160) the fourth is the fire that will penetrate the soul without destroying it-a terrible suffering, since it is a purely spiritual fire, lit by God’s anger; the fifth torture is continual darkness and a terrible suffocating smell, and, despite the darkness, the devils and the souls of the damned see each other and all the evil, both of others and their own; the sixth torture is the constant company of Satan; the seventh torture is the horrible despair, hatred of God, vile words, curses and blasphemies. These are the tortures suffered by all the damned together, but that is not the end of the sufferings. There are special tortures destined for particular souls. These are the torments of the senses. Each soul undergoes terrible and indescribable sufferings, related to the manner in which it has sinned. There are caverns and pits of torture where one form of agony differs from another. I would have died at the very sight of these tortures if the omnipotence of God had not supported me. Let the sinner know that he will be tortured throughout all eternity, in those senses which he made use of to sin. (161) I am writing this at the command of God, so that no soul may find an excuse by saying there is no hell, or that nobody has ever been there, and so no one can say what it is like. I, Sister Faustina, by the order of God, have visited the abysses of hell so that I might tell souls about it and testify to its existence. I cannot speak about it now; but I have received a command from God to leave it in writing. The devils were full of hatred for me, but they had to obey me at the command of God. What I have written is but a pale shadow of the things I saw. But I noticed one thing: that most of the souls there are those who disbelieved that there is a hell. When I came to, I could hardly recover from the fright. How terribly souls suffer there! Consequently, I pray even more fervently for the conversion of sinners. I incessantly plead God’s mercy upon them. O my Jesus, I would rather be in agony until the end of the world, amidst the greatest sufferings, than offend You by the least sin.”
• One of the greatest mystics of this century was Sister Josefa Menendez, who died in 1923 at the age of 33. This young Spanish sister, who had a short religious life of great suffering, experienced revelations throughout much of her life, compiled in The Way Of Divine Love. More than once, she was taken to Hell to witness and feel the suffering first-hand. Sister Josefa was reluctant to write on the subject of Hell, and did so only to conform to Our Lord’s wishes. Sister Josefa repeatedly dwelt on what she described as the greatest torment of Hell, namely, the soul’s inability to love. One of these damned souls cried out: “This is my torture…that I want to love and cannot; there is nothing left me but hatred and despair. If one of us could so much as make a single act of love…But we cannot, we live on hatred and malevolence…” (March 23, 1922).

She records, too, the accusations made against themselves by these unhappy souls: “Some yell because of the martyrdom of their hands. Perhaps they were thieves, for they say: ‘Where is our loot now?’ …Cursed hands… Others curse their tongues, their eyes…whatever was the occasion of sin… ‘Now, O body, you are paying the price of the delights you granted yourself!..and you did it of your own free will…’” (April 2, 1922).

“I saw several souls fall into Hell, and among them was a child of fifteen, cursing her parents for not having taught her to fear God nor that there was a Hell. Her life had been a short one, she said, but full of sin, for she had given in to all that her body and passions demanded in the way of satisfaction…” (March 22, 1923).

“My soul fell into abysmal depths, the bottom of which cannot be seen, for it is immense…; Then I was pushed into one of those fiery cavities and pressed, as it were, between burning planks, and sharp nails and red-hot irons seemed to be piercing my flesh. I felt as if they were endeavoring to pull out my tongue, but could not. This torture reduced me to such agony that my very eyes seemed to be starting out of their sockets. I think this was because of the fire which burns, burns … not a finger nail escapes terrifying torments, and all the time one cannot move even a finger to gain some relief, not change posture, for the body seems flattened out and [yet] doubled in two. Sounds of confusion and blasphemy cease not for an instant. A sickening stench asphyxiates and corrupts everything, it is like the burning of putrefied flesh, mingled with tar and sulphur … a mixture to which nothing on earth can be compared… although these tortures were terrific, they would be bearable if the soul were at peace. But it suffers indescribably… All I have written,” she concluded, “is but a shadow of what the soul suffers, for no words can express such dire torment.” (September 4, 1922).

"Today, I saw a vast number of people fall into the fiery pit … they seemed to be worldlings and a demon cried vociferously: ‘The world is ripe for me … I know that the best way to get hold of souls is to rouse their desire for enjoyment … Put me first … me before the rest … no humility for me! but let me enjoy myself … This sort of thing assures victory to me … and they tumble headlong into hell.’ " (October 4, 1923)

"Tonight I was transported to a place where all was obscure… Around me were seven or eight people; I could see them only by the reflections of the fire. They were seated and were talking together. One said: ‘We’ll have to be very careful not to be found out, for we might easily be discovered.’

"The devil answered: ‘Insinuate yourselves by inducing carelessness in them … but keep in the background, so that you are not found out … by degrees they will become callous, and you will be able to incline them to evil. Tempt these others to ambition, to self-interest, to acquiring wealth without working, whether it be lawful or not. Excite some to sensuality and love of pleasure. Let vice blind them … As to the remainder … get in through the heart … you know the inclinations of their hearts … make them love …love passionately … work thoroughly … take no rest … have no pity. Let them cram themselves with food! It will make it all the easier for us … Let them get on with their banqueting. Love of pleasure is the door through which you will reach them …’ " (February 3, 1923).

 

[Sir_Knight]

Revelations of St. Teresa of Avila, Mystic, Confessor, and one of the Doctors of the Church

"While I was at prayer one day, I found myself in a moment, without knowing how, plunged apparently into Hell. I understood that it was Our Lord’s will that I should see the place which the devils kept in readiness for me, and which I had deserved by my sins. It lasted but for a moment, but it seems to me impossible that I should ever forget it even if I were to live many years.

"The entrance seemed to be by a long narrow pass, like a furnace, very low, dark, and close. The ground seemed to be saturated with water, mere mud, exceedingly foul, sending forth pestilential odors, and covered with loathsome vermin. At the end was a hollow place in the wall like a closet, and in that I saw myself confined. All this was ever pleasant to behold in comparison with what I felt there. There is no exaggeration in what I am saying.

"But as to what I then felt, I do not know where to begin if I were to describe it; it is utterly inexplicable. I felt a fire in my soul but such that I am still unable to describe it. My bodily sufferings were unendurable. I have undergone most painful sufferings in this life, and, as the physicians say, the greatest that can be borne, such as the contraction of my sinews when I was paralyzed, without speaking of other ills of different types - yet, even those of which I have spoken, inflicted on me by Satan; yet all these were as nothing in comparison with what I then felt, especially when I saw that there would be no intermission nor any end to them.

"These sufferings were nothing in comparison with the anguish of my soul, a sense of oppression, of stifling, and of pain so acute, accompanied by so hopeless and cruel an infliction, that I know not how to speak of it. If I say that the soul is continually being torn from the body it would be nothing - for that implies the destruction of life by the hands of another - but here it is the soul itself that is tearing itself in pieces. I cannot describe that inward fire or that despair, surpassing all torments and all pain. I did not see who it was that tormented me, but I felt myself on fire, and torn to pieces, as it seemed to me; and I repeat it, this inward fire and despair are the greatest torments of all.

"Left in that pestilential place, and utterly without the power to hope for comfort, I could neither sit nor lie down; there was no room. I was placed as it were in a hole in the wall; and those walls, terrible to look on of themselves, hemmed me in on every side. I could not breathe. There was no light, but all was thick darkness. I do not understand how it is; though there was no light, yet everything that can give pain by being seen was visible.

"Our Lord at that time would not let me see more of Hell. Afterwards I had another most fearful vision, in which I saw the punishment of certain sins. They were the most horrible to look at, but because I felt none of the pain, my terror was not so great. In the former vision Our Lord made me really feel those torments and that anguish of spirit, just as if I had been suffering them in the body there. I know not how it was, but I understood distinctly that it was a great mercy that Our Lord would have me see with my own eyes the very place from which His compassion saved me. I have listened to people speaking of these things and I have at other times dwelt on the various torments of Hell, though not often, because my soul made no progress by the way of fear; and I have read of the diverse tortures, and how the devils tear the flesh with red-hot pincers. But all is as nothing before this: It is a wholly different matter. In short, the one is a reality, the other a description; and all burning here in this life is as nothing compared with the fire that is there.

"I was so terrified by that vision - and that terror is on me even now as I write - that though it took place nearly six years ago, the natural warmth of my body is chilled by fear even now when I think of it. And so, amid all the pain and suffering which I may have had to bear, I remember no time in which I do not think that all we have to suffer in this world is as nothing. It seems to me that we complain without reason. I repeat it, this vision was one of the grandest mercies of God. It has been to me of the greatest service, because it has destroyed my fear of trouble and of the contradictions of the world, and because it has made me strong enough to bear up against them, and to give thanks to Our Lord who has been my Deliverer, as it now seems to me, from such fearful and everlasting pains.

"Ever since that time, as I was saying, everything seems endurable in comparison with one instant of suffering such as those I had then to bear in Hell. I am filled with fear when I see that, after frequently reading books which describe in some manner the pains of Hell, I was not afraid of them, nor made any account of them. Where was I? How could I possibly take any pleasure in those things which led me directly to so dreadful a place? Blessed forever be Thou, O my God! And oh, how manifest is it that Thou didst love me much more than I did love Thee! How often, O Lord, didst Thou save me from that fearful prison! And how I used to get back to it contrary to Thy will.

"It was that vision which filled me with very great distress which I felt at the sight of so many lost souls, especially of the Lutherans - for they were once members of the Church by Baptism - and also gave me the most vehement desires for the salvation of souls; for certainly I believe that to save even one from those overwhelming torments, I would willingly endure many deaths. If here on earth we see one whom we specially love in great trouble or pain, our very nature seems to bid us compassionate him; and if those pains be great, we are troubled ourselves. What, then, must it be to see a soul in danger of pain, the most grievous of all pains, forever? It is a thought no heart can bear without great anguish. Here we know that pain at last ends with life, and that there are limits to it, yet the sight of it moves us so greatly to compassion; that other pain has no ending, and I know not how we can be calm when we see Satan carry so many souls daily away.

“This also makes me wish that, in a matter which concerns us so much, we did not rest satisfied with doing less than we can do on our part - that we left nothing undone. May Our Lord vouchsafe to give us His grace for that end.”

 

[Tantum_ergo]

Why is Heaven eternal? Why is it that being in Hell forever is considered ‘unfair’ but being in Heaven forever is something we ‘deserve’?

Picture the man (or woman) who has lived a petty, mean, sinful life, and then at the very end, repents. You don’t seem to have a problem allowing this person to be happy in heaven forever. . .but you have a problem if the person DOESN’T repent at the end and (in his own free choice) winds up in hell forever?

It seems to me that you’re approaching the idea of Heaven and Hell as though we somehow ‘earn’ heaven (or deserve it) and that there is simply no way that we can ever ‘deserve’ or earn hell. As though God is only ‘fair’ if He somehow arranges it that we all have ‘eternal happiness’ even if we don’t want it and reject it. . .

That God is not as good or as logical as humans, because humans would somehow force the bad people not to be bad, or would release them after a set time of ‘punishment’ having somehow convinced them to ‘change their minds’. IOW, you don’t allow free will at all if the person chooses evil–that person HAS TO, somehow, choose good, otherwise God isn’t ‘fair.’ But if that person ‘has to’ choose good, then he doesn’t really have the free will to choose evil, does he?

 

[Ally_of_Christ]

Well… it is just that Hell is unbearably horrible…

 

[Sir_Knight]

Here’s another link for you of hell …
The Road to Hell - Prophetic Dream of St. John Bosco 1868 A.D. (Approved Apparition)

Well… it is just that Hell is unbearably horrible…

Just as heaven is unbelievably wonderful. Two extremes. If we are entitled to the wonders of one, then so do we merit the horrors of the other.

 

[Ally_of_Christ]

Well, maybe instead of God throwing people into a firey hole and tourturing them unmercilessly or giving them extreme happiness, maybe He could give evryone something like Earth? Just give everyone Eternal life here on Earth after the end of the world? The just could begin this new life with the best lifestyles, riches, comfort, and power, while the unjust begin life unhealthy homeless, but all are immortal? It makes much more sense to me. Everyone gets exactly what they deserve in that situation. The unjust could eventually regain some happiness, but will always be below the unjust, and the just will always be happy and healthy. Maybe God could give the just who deserve Him assistance in their lives, but leave the unjust to fend for themselves? This really seems like my idea of justice.

 

[seeker_of_God]

Well, maybe instead of God throwing people into a firey hole and tourturing them unmercilessly or giving them extreme happiness, maybe He could give evryone something like Earth? Just give everyone Eternal life here on Earth after the end of the world? The just could begin this new life with the best lifestyles, riches, comfort, and power, while the unjust begin life unhealthy homeless, but all are immortal? It makes much more sense to me. Everyone gets exactly what they deserve in that situation. The unjust could eventually regain some happiness, but will always be below the unjust, and the just will always be happy and healthy. Maybe God could give the just who deserve Him assistance in their lives, but leave the unjust to fend for themselves? This really seems like my idea of justice.

Again i ask you, what makes you think your flawed and imperfect idea of justice due to your limited perspective, is better than that of God?

 

[Ally_of_Christ]

It’s just that tortuing people forever in Hell is of no benefit to anyone.

 

[Cristiano]

It’s just that torturing people forever in Hell is of no benefit to anyone.

Probably you should read the writings of St. Catherine from Genoa. It will make you understand the fact that the people in hell rather be there than in heaven.

 

[PJM]

=Ally of Christ;5530620]I’m Catholic. Is that a Catholic explanation? Your religion identifier reads Bible.

No “BibleAnswer” is a self-proclaimed bible expert, and his post are very often actually anti-biblical, meaning not onlt not supported by thee bible but teaching in direct opposition to what the bible actually says, so his post must be read with great care.’

Originally Posted by BibleAnswer Sheol Hebrew, Old Testament. Appearing 65 times.Hades Greek, New Testament. Appearing 9 times.Gehenna Greek.Hinnom Hebrew, Appearing 11 times.

So by his reckoning Hell is mentioned some 85 times. If it were not important why is it listed so often? Hmmmmm?

Hell is eternal, because once you die, you die. It is appointed to men to die only once. the wages of sin is death. We are all born of original sin, meaning we are all born with a dead human spirit. If a person dies before being reborn of the Holy Spirt, If a person dies before recieveing a new human spirit, then once there physical body dies, there soul, which is already dead, is now extinguished forever.

Hell equalls dead. Hell is not a pit with fire and brimstone and satan

.

So Satan isn’t real? Sin does not exist? God does not have to be just and fair as part of His Divine Nature? Sounds like “BibleAnswer” is more on Satan’s side than God’s. Hmmm?

Rev tell us at the end even death and hell, will be thrown into the lake of fire, and that is the second death. The second death means a total complete erasure from all mind and existence. meaning even hell isn’t eternal, at least for what our human minds can comprehend.

FACT! " lake of fire appears only three times in Rev." Here are the verses, you decide who is being truthfull?

***Rev.20: 7-9 And they marched up over the broad earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city; but fire came down from heaven * and consumed them, 10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulphur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. *

Rev. 19: 20 “And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had worked the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulphur.”**

Rev. 20: 11:}Then I saw a great white throne and him who sat upon it; from his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. 13 And the sea gave up the dead in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead in them, and all were judged by what they had done. 14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire; 15 and if any one’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."

**Theirare to be two judgements. The “immediated Judgement” at the very instant that we die, and condem ourselves to Hell, Purgatory-then Heaven, or directly to heaven. The second or “Final Judgement” is a more public judgement, where everyone will wittness it. Our bodies will be united to our souls and both body noe perfected, and our united souls will spend eternity either in Hell or in heaven, based on “what we have done or failed to do.”

A SOUL is SPIRITUAL and cannot be killed, cannot die! That is FACT!**

because if hell and death are thrown into the lake of fire, and if that is the second death, then how can something that has died, and died a second time, be eternal.

No, hell is only eternal in the right context. Death, is eternal. Once you die, you can never come back. Thus, hell, which is death, is eternal, you will never walk with the LORD , however the mercy is, that we will also have no idea of the severity of the punishment, because we are destroyed. That is the mercy of God. This is in the same context as the amount of stripes a person can endure for punishment. it is 39+1 This proves God has mercy as well as limits. A limit signifies an end. And end is not eternal, it is finite.

***Again soul’s are Spiritual Things that cannot be destroyed! Death and beyond are BEYOND God’s Mercy! We will be judged in accordance to how we live, what we have done or failed to do. Once we are physically dead, the only sign of God’s Divine Mercy is Purgatory. What is done is done; and we have OURSELVES decided on heaven or hell.

That is Why Christ founded His ONE Church and the Seven Sacraments, five of which are intended specifically to assist us in making the right choices with out minds, intellects and freewills. That is why Catholics will be judged with greater severity than non-Catholics.***

2 Thes. 2: “9 The coming of the lawless one by the activity of Satan will be with all power and with pretended signs and wonders, 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are to perish, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11Therefore God sends upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false, 12 so that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. “

Mt. 25: 41 Then he will say to those at his left hand, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ Then they also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to thee?'Then he will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me.’ ***And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." ***]

2 Peter 2: 1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their licentiousness, and because of them the way of truth will be reviled. 3 And in their greed they will exploit you with false words; from of old their condemnation has not been idle, and their destruction has not been asleep.

 

[seeker_of_God]

It’s just that tortuing people forever in Hell is of no benefit to anyone.

They aren’t being tortured by God.

Again, they choose to be there, by not putting God #1 in their lives and by deliberately choosing to reject Him.

Secondly, the greatest suffering there is being separated from God and God’s grace. There can be no good, no love, no mercy in hell, because those things come from God alone.

I understand it can sometimes seem confusing, but at some point you have to just surrender and say, “God knows better than I could ever hope to.” It’s about trust. Do you believe God has our best good in mind, and infinitely loves all of us, or do you believe He takes delight in allowing people to go to hell? Hint: The answer is the former.

 

[Ally_of_Christ]

I have a hard time understanding that God is merciful when he created a place of infinite suffering.

 

[davidv]

I have a hard time understanding that God is merciful when he created a place of infinite suffering.

Why do you think God created the place of suffering?

I don’t believe that. I believe it is the grievous sinners who have created it.

 

[Charlotte408]

a couple things…and i may be totally wrong…

but i thought purgatory was separate from hell?? like, you said, they go to purgatory, and then spend eternity in hell…

I thought that if you werent clear and ready for heaven, you go to purgatory to kinda, work off your sins…thru prayer…whatever its like a state of limbo…i would think, if you completed the purgatory stage, you’d be ready for heaven…

i also thought that hell was for people who totally rejected Him…since he is so forgiving…like, if you didnt want to go to purgatory, were totally sinful, and didnt care, well then hells the place for you…

and then you said ‘if God is so loving why does he make hell so awful’…i dont think its Him that makes it this way…maybe Satan?? idk…just my thoughts…

But I can say this, dont worry yourself too much about it. Live your life right, do your best to love everyone around you…spread His word…and trust in Him…

 

[Godfollower]

I have a hard time understanding that God is merciful when he created a place of infinite suffering.

He created a place where those who do not want to be with Him can go to be away from Him. It seems to me that such a place is a necessary corollary to allowing free will: if God chooses to allow us free will, that’s meaningless unless it includes the ability to choose not to be with Him.

And I can’t think of any worse punishment than entering eternity (time is over at that point), seeing that God really does love me – me! – but that I chose to be away from Him.

As for His mercy, well, He has done everything possible to let me know what’s at stake and why I ought to be choosing eternal life with Him rather than eternal life without Him. Short of taking away my free will, there isn’t anything more He could do, is there?

 

[Ally_of_Christ]

But sinners don’t exactly like being in incomprehensible pain… In a way, they aren’t really asking for hell…

 

[Charlotte408]

well…think of it like this…

you have a rule in the house. No swearing.

your kid swears. as a matter of fact, she swears AT YOU.

you tell her its wrong, and she should know the rules.

If at this point she retracts her statement, and apologizes, you forgive her. you love her, shes your child. (forgiveness)

or…she might continue on for a minute…at which point, you might give her time out…or sentances (purgatory)

or…she might continue on, even cursing you more…saying she doesnt CARE what you say! She HATES you…and continues cursing…and nothing you can say or do will change her…

I’m sure no kid LIKES being spanked…but wouldnt you say at some point she asked for it??

I dont know if I believe in Hell for all eternity for EVERYBODY…I think, at any point, if someone professes their love for Christ, He’ll come for them and forgive them…but…in the cases of those in Hell…theyre like in extreme opposition to Him…((<- I dont know how inline with church teaching this is, just my kinda thought idea…))