Why is Homosexuality Wrong?

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I just want to thank the people who have responded on this thread with a lot of information all in one place about the reasons that the Church considers homosexuality to be disordered. In light of the responses by the OP, I am getting a troll vibe but I ask most sincerely that the thread be retained even if it is decided to close it. I, for one, feel that it has inadvertently become a great teaching aide on this often misunderstood subject.
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Elizium23 said:
I am sorry, but you have been answering so quickly that it was unlikely you were reading for comprehension. I apologize for jumping to conclusions about you. Let me ask this: do you suffer from homosexual inclinations yourself? Are you considering becoming Catholic, but this has become a stumbling block to your acceptance of Christ’s Truth? If so, you will likely find much more sympathy than condemnation here. I completely understand if it is a hard teaching or a personally traumatic one for you. I have my own share of them. And I will leave you with a footnote: the Bible and the Church have never condemned homosexuals. Only their behavior.
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Thank you for understanding. I apologize too if I was hasty in my responses. It is just that I have already read a great deal about the Church’s and bible’s stance on the subject. I am not trying to say that they do not challenge it. I just have a hard time understanding the natural law reasons. I don’t understand why God would judge it as sin, even if it does not fulfill His original goal of procreation. I don’t know why it is damaging enough to be sin.
 
FaustinaJulia said:
I just want to thank the people who have responded on this thread with a lot of information all in one place about the reasons that the Church considers homosexuality to be disordered. In light of the responses by the OP, I am getting a troll vibe but I ask most sincerely that the thread be retained even if it is decided to close it. I, for one, feel that it has inadvertently become a great teaching aide on this often misunderstood subject.
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What did I do to be a troll? I thought this was the right subsection for this kind of question.
 
It is damaging because it is a misuse, a perversion of nature. We have our genital organs because God our Creator gave them to us for certain purposes. When we misdirect the purpose of these organs then we fail to live up to God’s plan for His Kingdom.

Just try extrapolating it to a logical end. Imagine if sodomy, masturbation, contraception, and abortion were no sin and everyone wanted to do it. Imagine everyone satisfying themselves easily without the thought of procreating children. Imagine it takes over the world and the institution of marriage, diluted, eventually dies out. Imagine that there is nobody left reproducing and raising children and baptizing them and teaching them in the faith. What results after this generation ages and dies? Utter extinction. The human race goes extinct. There is nobody to replace us. Is that really God’s plan?

It’s not a far-fetched future.
 
Elizium23 said:
It is damaging because it is a misuse, a perversion of nature. We have our genital organs because God our Creator gave them to us for certain purposes. When we misdirect the purpose of these organs then we fail to live up to God’s plan for His Kingdom.

Just try extrapolating it to a logical end. Imagine if sodomy, masturbation, contraception, and abortion were no sin and everyone wanted to do it. Imagine everyone satisfying themselves easily without the thought of procreating children. Imagine it takes over the world and the institution of marriage, diluted, eventually dies out. Imagine that there is nobody left reproducing and raising children and baptizing them and teaching them in the faith. What results after this generation ages and dies? Utter extinction. The human race goes extinct. There is nobody to replace us. Is that really God’s plan?

It’s not a far-fetched future.
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It’s very far-fetched. God always leaves a remnant. Always.

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edwest2 said:
It’s very far-fetched. God always leaves a remnant. Always.
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Total annihiliation will of course never happen. The only thing that will, is that the Culture of Death will die off, having failed to meet even a replacement level of fertility and committing cultural suicide, and will be overrun by cultures who value children and believe in God’s order for marriage and family.
 
PumpkinBunny said:
Thank you for understanding. I apologize too if I was hasty in my responses. It is just that I have already read a great deal about the Church’s and bible’s stance on the subject. I am not trying to say that they do not challenge it. I just have a hard time understanding the natural law reasons. I don’t understand why God would judge it as sin, even if it does not fulfill His original goal of procreation. I don’t know why it is damaging enough to be sin.
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Pretty much what Elizum23 said in post #44. When we go against nature and what we are ordered for, tragic consequences always follow. That’s why I said we can learn from history so that history doesn’t repeat itself. We can also use our common sense to see why certain things aren’t good, like trying to substitute pieces of cardboard for food, for instance. It just isn’t healthy and it just isn’t going to work out. It is for our benefit that we follow natural law and follow the way God intended things to be. He is the giver of Life. When we foolishly think that we are smarter and stray from Him, there is only death.
 
PumpkinBunny said:
But the end results for a homosexual couple and a sterile couple are the same. Why do they get a pass?
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A heterosexual couple can always engage in marital, congjugal intercourse. A same sex couple never can.

For a man and woman, the intercourse may or may not be fertile at any given time, due to medical conditions, whether or not the woman is ovulating, a whole host of factors that the couple may or may not know. But they can always have sexual intercourse that is complementary, that unifies man and woman, that is ordered to procreation. A same sex couple can never have intercourse ordered to procreation as a matter of nature. To put it bluntly, they don’t have sexually complementary parts. It can never be procreative or unitive.
 
JimG said:
A heterosexual couple can always engage in marital, congjugal intercourse. A same sex couple never can.

For a man and woman, the intercourse may or may not be fertile at any given time, due to medical conditions, whether or not the woman is ovulating, a whole host of factors that the couple may or may not know. But they can always have sexual intercourse that is complementary, that unifies man and woman, that is ordered to procreation. A same sex couple can never have intercourse ordered to procreation as a matter of nature. To put it bluntly, they don’t have sexually complementary parts. It can never be procreative or unitive.
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But a sterile couple cannot have intercourse ordered to procreate, either. They will never be able to.
 
PumpkinBunny said:
But a sterile couple cannot have intercourse ordered to procreate, either. They will never be able to.
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Bunny,

Only men can produce sperm.

Only women can produce eggs that can be fertilized by sperm.

Would you agree that this is fundamentally true?
 
When a man and a woman have vaginal intercourse, they are doing something that “looks” procreative. They are “acting” procreatively. They are doing the best they can to procreate a child (even if they know this is an infertile time). Their action is “ordered toward” procreation, to the best of their ability in that time and place.

Someone previously compared it to baseball. If a rookie team comes up against the Yankees, they may have little hope of scoring a run. But if they follow the rules and play the game as prescribed, it is “ordered toward” a game of baseball. If they don’t use bats, and they turn their backs to each other, they are not even playing baseball. Homosexuals committing sodomy have no hope of procreation because they’re not playing by the rules. Likewise heterosexuals committing sodomy, or masturbation.

Vaginal sex is inherently procreative. It is the way God ordained for humankind to reproduce. The knowledge or fact or belief of sterility is immaterial. Sterile couples can be validly married. Compare this to an impotent man. He cannot validly marry, because he cannot complete a procreative marital embrace. True impotence is very rare these days thanks to medication and treatments, but it can happen that a person is unable to have sex, and they are just ineligible to marry, even if they are fertile, because there is nothing they can do that “looks procreative”. In-vitro fertilization may be an option for them, but not a moral one, in the eyes of the Catholic Church, because IVF is something that separates the marital act from procreation. It is procreation without sex. It is exactly the opposite of sodomy. (Also, many people masturbate to obtain a sperm sample for such a purpose, this is also not moral.)
 
PumpkinBunny said:
But a sterile couple cannot have intercourse ordered to procreate, either. They will never be able to.
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Yes, they can. It is the marital act itself that is ordered to procreation because man and woman can unite in a way that is essential to procreation, whether or not conception ensues. The marital act is primary, conception is secondary in the order of nature. Natural marital sex is always ordered to procreation by its nature. Same sex acts never are and never can be.
 
PumpkinBunny said:
How is it ordered towards life if they can’t fulfill half of it’s purpose? They can unify, but can’t procreate.
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Now you’re just playing the dunce.

You and every single mature person knows full that if someone were to, e.g., punch a man so hard that their fist broke through the other person’s flesh and entered their body that this is not a ‘unifying’ or ‘sexual’ act, although it certainly is bodily or physical; you do not actually believe that any puncturing or penetration of the flesh by another person’s is unitive.

A UFC fight is not sex; and it would be horrifying if someone were to describe it as ‘sexual’ because the implication is that abuse and violence are a proper or natural manifestion of human sexuality which, of course, they are not. When we talk about a couple making love there is no thought of abuse or violence. Homosexuality is a perversion of sexuality and is neither unitive nor procreative; we call it -sexual or -sexuality only because it is a perversion of actual sex or sexuality, which does not require qualification. Moreover human sexuality cannot even be reduced exclusively to biological facts: personhood or personality does enter into the picture as male and female or masculine and feminine: there is a natural attraction to the other sex as a mysterious “other”.
 
Elizium23 said:
It is damaging because it is a misuse, a perversion of nature. We have our genital organs because God our Creator gave them to us for certain purposes. When we misdirect the purpose of these organs then we fail to live up to God’s plan for His Kingdom.

Just try extrapolating it to a logical end. Imagine if sodomy, masturbation, contraception, and abortion were no sin and everyone wanted to do it. Imagine everyone satisfying themselves easily without the thought of procreating children. Imagine it takes over the world and the institution of marriage, diluted, eventually dies out. Imagine that there is nobody left reproducing and raising children and baptizing them and teaching them in the faith. What results after this generation ages and dies? Utter extinction. The human race goes extinct. There is nobody to replace us. Is that really God’s plan?

It’s not a far-fetched future.
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Good point,,,, humans are on this earth as Breeding stock only !
 
PumpkinBunny said:
But the end results for a homosexual couple and a sterile couple are the same. Why do they get a pass?
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As the member of a so-called sterile couple, I find offense in saying that such couples get a “pass.” Infertility is a horrible, horrible burden and cross to bear. However, even though by medical definition my husband and I are considered infertile, there is still the minute chance that we can get pregnant…if God so wills it.

That can NEVER be said of a homosexual couple.
 
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