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Jesus said “He who hears you hears Me.” Is this “you” the Catholic Church He founded or the protestant faith leaders?
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redbetta
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Better question would be: Who determined the canon of the Bible?
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stpurl
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Why do you believe that? In John 6 He specifically said we were to receive Him in a physical way. And in fact, all Christians everywhere received Him in a physical way until some Christians about 500 years ago decided to interpret that particular chapter differently.
See, the Eucharist, or communion, didn’t start out as ‘symbolic’ and then the Catholics ‘changed it’ to ‘literal’.
If that had been the case, why does the evidence, even from the Orthodox, who likewise believe in a physical Eucharist, claim that they --who were ‘one’ with the Catholics from the time of the apostles–also taught ‘physical’? Why is there literally no evidence for the type of communion you’re talking about in the Christian world for the first 15 centuries? Isn’t it kind of strange that Christians would get such a fundamental thing ‘wrong’ all that time?
See, the Eucharist, or communion, didn’t start out as ‘symbolic’ and then the Catholics ‘changed it’ to ‘literal’.
If that had been the case, why does the evidence, even from the Orthodox, who likewise believe in a physical Eucharist, claim that they --who were ‘one’ with the Catholics from the time of the apostles–also taught ‘physical’? Why is there literally no evidence for the type of communion you’re talking about in the Christian world for the first 15 centuries? Isn’t it kind of strange that Christians would get such a fundamental thing ‘wrong’ all that time?
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CoeurRempli
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I don’t see how receiving Jesus by faith is at odds with receiving Him in the Eucharist.
We receive the Eucharist by faith. It looks like bread and wine, but it is Jesus. Receiving the Eucharist is more than just the physical process of taking Communion. By receiving the Eucharist, we are both physically and spiritually accepting Jesus, inviting Him into our lives, and affirming our faith in Him.
Jesus said that we must eat His flesh and drink His blood to have eternal life. He insisted even after people were offended because they took Him literally.
We were created with a body and a soul- we are physical and spiritual beings. It is not just our souls that will be ressurected but our bodies also. And so we receive Him not just spiritually but Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity.
We receive the Eucharist by faith. It looks like bread and wine, but it is Jesus. Receiving the Eucharist is more than just the physical process of taking Communion. By receiving the Eucharist, we are both physically and spiritually accepting Jesus, inviting Him into our lives, and affirming our faith in Him.
Jesus said that we must eat His flesh and drink His blood to have eternal life. He insisted even after people were offended because they took Him literally.
We were created with a body and a soul- we are physical and spiritual beings. It is not just our souls that will be ressurected but our bodies also. And so we receive Him not just spiritually but Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity.
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nogames
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Salvation is by grace, through faith in Jesus. That being the case, I can only “know” that the Bible is the inspired and inerrant word of God by faith in His wisdom, His providence, and His love for His church. It was His intention to give us His word for our salvation, and he has provided the “helper” who is the Holy Spirit to help His people to understand and to believe His message to us. It is a matter of faith in God, and not something that can be proven historically, scientifically, or by our own reason. In this way you and I are similar:How do you know the Bible is the inspired and inerrant word of God?
your faith is in your religious system; my faith is in God.
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Arbovirus
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Jesus established a Church with human leaders to lead the sheep to Christ. What you’re implying is you don’t like the way Jesus does things.your faith is in your religious system; my faith is in God.
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RKS89
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How do you know that something like the Gospel of Judas doesn’t belong in the Bible? How can we be sure the canon is correct?
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nogames
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This is apparently what your church teaches, but here again, you must accept it by faith, right? But history isn’t able to settle this matter. How ancient is the Catholic Church? Well, if history provided a clear answer, we could settle it all right away. It is pure fiction to say that the Catholic Church was the only church in existence during the time of the apostles. The divisions began immediately, and the cause of the divisions is always the same: we are all sinful humans, and we have been, since the day they ate the forbidden fruit.There had to be an original church-namely the Catholic church- for all these protestant churches to exist. The different protestant churches take bits and pieces of the “one true church”, but explanations vary of what either Jesus meant, or what the scripture means personally.
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Arbovirus
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Or even which writings belong in Sacred Scripture/Bible.
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nogames
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The same way you “know”. By faith. God set it all up so that no one can boast in his/her salvation. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned; not scientifically or historically provable facts.How do you know that something like the Gospel of Judas doesn’t belong in the Bible? How can we be sure the canon is correct?
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Actually, history is pretty clear on the Cathollicty of the Early Church. J.N.D Kelly, an Anglican scholar, and Jaroslav Pelikan, a Lutheran, both attest to the fact that the Early Church held Catholic ideas. The writings of the Early Church Fathers attests to it. You’ll find a lot of converts on here who came to realize by studying history that the Early Church was decidedly not Protestant.
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RKS89
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Yet a Mormon “knows” by Faith that the book of Mormon is Scripture, as does a Muslim with the Quran. It seems that, by this reasoning, anyone claiming Faith can determine any writing to be the Word of God.
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nogames
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The small c catholic church is known to be very ancient indeed. But the Catholic Church of our day is not even close to that church.Actually, history is pretty clear on the Cathollicty of the Early Church. J.N.D Kelly, an Anglican scholar, and Jaroslav Pelikan, a Lutheran, both attest to the fact that the Early Church held Catholic ideas. The writings of the Early Church Fathers attests to it. You’ll find a lot of converts on here who came to realize by studying history that the Early Church was decidedly not Protestant.
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RKS89
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In what ways, and how do you know?
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nogames
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You might be misunderstanding my words. I’m not equating faith and truth. I’m saying that some things can only be “known” by faith.Yet a Mormon “knows” by Faith that the book of Mormon is Scripture, as does a Muslim with the Quran. It seems that, by this reasoning, anyone claiming Faith can determine any writing to be the Word of God.
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nogames
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Can you think of certain teachings of the modern Catholic Church that were not taught by any of the apostles? I can name a few.In what ways, and how do you know?
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Arbovirus
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The early Church believed in the Real Presence of the Eucharist. Protestants do not. That by itself is sufficient reason to cross off the protestants as being alien to the early Church.
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nogames
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Do you know this for a fact?The early Church believed in the Real Presence of the Eucharist. Protestants do not. That by itself is sufficient reason to cross off the protestants as being alien to the early Church.
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Arbovirus
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Yes. The Catholic and Orthodox Churches believe the Real Presence for 2000 years. Protestantism rejected that. That error has propagated for 5 centuries.
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RKS89
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What are the sources of Apostolic teaching?
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