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I’ve been looking up relationship and dating advice web pages and self help articles for quite a while now online, and something that irks me when I read every single one of these is:

Why is it that nearly all relationship advice about dealing with a bad partner always places the victimhood notfar from my intentions, there seems to be little to no advice on how to properly be suited* for* a romantic relationship in the first place. Where is the advice for those of us who are the jealous one, or the obtrusive, or the controlling, or the abusive, or the needy, or what have you? In my experience just one or two of those is enough to make you completely defunct in the realm of serious dating as a whole.

The whole thing seems flat out uncompromising when such characters are endlessly demonized, despite the fact that these issues arise from deeper, often out of reach psychological depths, while the others would be portrayed as saint-like martyrs and victims! After several failed relationships,* I get it!* Believe me, I’m sorry and I wish I was different, now where is the support and guidance for me? How else am I supposed to change? Feeling bad *isn’t always *enough!
 
Be not discouraged. Many people struggle with finding a successful dating connection. In Christian theology, the proper marital relationship is modeled after Christ and his bride, the Church. The husband finds his gift in a special way through the example of Christ, the head, who gives of himself entirely for his bride, who dies for her. The bride, in a special way, finds her vocation in the figure of the bride, the Church, who receives and submits to the love given her by her spouse, the head. So that is a little starting point, a goal, so to speak, to try to develop yourself to reflect which side of the marital equation you fit. And, God willing, you and a partner complementing you as Christ and the Church complement each other, you will someday be a shining light of authentic marriage.

Of course, hope and pray and exercise disciplines to work out any of the blemishes you feel you have. And if you should slip up and recognize a slip-up on your part, maybe make a conscious decision to immediately repent of the act, or to even echo it with an act of generosity toward someone.

Now I am certainly not the best example for successful relationships and can empathize with the tendency toward discouragement, so please also heed the advice of many other respondents here. :o
 
Don’t know what sites you are reading. But, relationship advice not founded on Christ and hi Church is worthless.
 
But in the case of myself, I find that more often than not I match the qualities of someone who’s obsessive, irritable, controlling, unforgiving, and etc. And not to excuse myself, as that is (believe me) far from my intentions, there seems to be little to no advice on how to properly be suited* for* a romantic relationship in the first place. Where is the advice for those of us who are the jealous one, or the obtrusive, or the controlling, or the abusive, or the needy, or what have you? In my experience just one or two of those is enough to make you completely defunct in the realm of serious dating as a whole.
You are so right that the person who complains about the problem is often assumed not to be any of these things. In my experience, I have yet to find a person who does not possess at least one of the character flaws you mention in the quote above. We are human after all.

As Christians we have the greatest source of help in the world: God. I do believe that with prayer and self awareness and a genuine desire to change we can become better people and overcome some of our faults. Of course, it all depends on the person and their circumstances, and some people will struggle far more than others. We may not completely overcome a fault, but it can get much better. I have experienced this myself.
 
Where is the advice for those of us who are the jealous one, or the obtrusive, or the controlling, or the abusive, or the needy, or what have you?
Possibly, in the office of a faithful Catholic therapist?

Change is hard. But if you want to change, it is possible. It takes a lot of work, and you will have to take a lot of risks. Of what feels like risk, actually.

And the reason that the advice givers say “Break it off” is for the safety of the one being abused. Many abusers don’t see a need for change, because it is unfortunately too easy for them to find new victims. I used to unknowingly choose abusive people. I got over it - after having to get police protection from “Mr. Psychotic,” and with several years of therapy. I finally started putting “nice guy” at the top of my priority list.

I bet really learning the faith wood be good medicine, too. Even if you begin controlling your abusive tendencies out of a fear of hell - it’s still a start! But also be prepared to accept that your victim may not be willing to give you any more chances; they won’t want to let themselves be vulnerable to you again, in case the change doesn’t stick.

Praying for you,
 
Catholic world … Starting point is frequently going to the Sacrament of Reconcilliation. This sacrament gives us forgivness of sin & grace. We confess what we have done, failed to do, what is in our thoughts, words, and actions. It’s not uncommon for a priest to recommend therapy for those in need of more counseling.

Additionally, it’s hard to verbalized emotions, feelings, and behaviors if you do not have a basic understanding of God’s expectation for us. In these cases, going back to RCIA is helpful.

Fellowship with others also helps. There are many catholic programs like “That man is you” or the “Knights of Columbas” where you can find brothers in Christ for your journey. Further it helps you learn how to serve (which balances out selfish destructive behaviors)

Lastly, until you can get a foundation of a good self control and willingness to serve it is recomended to abstain from romantic relationships.

Peace be with your spirit.
 
[R]elationship advice not founded on Christ and hi Church is worthless.
That’s an overly broad, far reaching statement, don’t you think? Take the example of someone who is Jewish, and therefore not concerned with Christ and his Church. Are you suggesting that the relationship advice they received from a Jewish counselor would be “worthless?”
 
I’ve been looking up relationship and dating advice web pages and self help articles for quite a while now online, and something that irks me when I read every single one of these is:

Why is it that nearly all relationship advice about dealing with a bad partner always places the victimhood notfar
from my intentions, there seems to be little to no advice on how to properly be suited* for* a romantic relationship in the first place. Where is the advice for those of us who are the jealous one, or the obtrusive, or the controlling, or the abusive, or the needy, or what have you? In my experience just one or two of those is enough to make you completely defunct in the realm of serious dating as a whole.

The whole thing seems flat out uncompromising when such characters are endlessly demonized, despite the fact that these issues arise from deeper, often out of reach psychological depths, while the others would be portrayed as saint-like martyrs and victims! After several failed relationships,* I get it!* Believe me, I’m sorry and I wish I was different, now where is the support and guidance for me? How else am I supposed to change? Feeling bad *isn’t always *enough!

Well. Chances are that before that break-up happens both parties are already thoroughly dissatisfied with other’s respective performance, and they experience a lot of burnout. That alters their behaviour. The “control freak” accusation is just one side of the story. The other side may be that the other party tends to be a runaway bride or compulsive flirt or liar, or something along those lines. Likely, both parties may be somewhat emotionally damaged, at least slightly dysfunctional people of the Web 2.0 generation.

The above is especially true when it’s the man who’s “controlling”. There is a full-blown hysteria about that, telling women that they should avoid the least semblance of “controlling” behaviour in a man, while also encouraging them to 1) control the equilibrium of the relationship actually by making it one-sided, and 2) strop controlling themselves, actually, in favour of satisfying all those “needs”.

If business counsellors advised their clients to do the same, we’d be decrying that madness. If we compare romantic relationship to business relationships – where in both cases there’s supposedly freedom to contract, equal rights etc. on both sides – it’s like a tiny vendor dealing with a corporation. Forget negotiating contracts, you get to sign their general terms and conditions a good deal of which would stand a good chance of being non-enforced by a court of law for unconscionability. If you don’t, you won’t get any contracts. You indemnify them and hold harmless against every single imaginable thing, pay penalties for whatever you do wrong in their judgement, but they can do whatever they want without much accountability. I’m overpainting the picture somewhat, but this is to give an illustration of the nonsense.

Just like in business, when two parties start some kind of partnership, both are in control. This means neither of them can be completely in control of their joint affairs, but also of one’s own affairs that were separate before the relationship started. It’s the same in romantic relationships: if you start taking promises, you also start making them. You give up control. In business it would be called madness to require one party to give up all control. In romantic relationships, that is what a man is currently seen as needing to do. Totally subject himself to the woman’s whims and fancies, not even decisions or judgement calls.

Both men and women deserve better. Women can be exactly as reasonable as men, and it does them harm to condition them to act like that and be spoiled. We don’t gain freedom by rejecting boundaries, rules or the need to get one’s act together and treat others right.

The hysteria must stop. I’ve even seen a Catholic chastity speaker effectively suggesting that a man’s controlling for complaining about a woman’s excess of cleavage; he’s supposed to shut up and affirm, apparently, whatever she elects to do. What next? Walk around on eggshells lest she notice any sign of dissatisfaction on his part? Enough of that already.

Relationships entail:
  1. Being faithful. This means no following on those fantasies, “needs”, “whatever”.
  2. It also means no oggling or flirting. It’s bad for both parties of a relationship, not just one.
  3. And no fishing for looks or other sexualised form of appreciation from other people, either (even if we call it “seeking confirmation of one’s attractiveness”).
  4. Spending time together. Not at the sole discretion of just one party as to frequency, length or the choice of activities.
  5. Consulting decisions. Especially those made for both.
  6. But also those that are theoretically one party’s to make but affect both.
  7. Both parties being attentive to and protective of each other’s feelings.
Balance, balance, balance.
 
I’ve been looking up relationship and dating advice web pages and self help articles for quite a while now online, and something that irks me when I read every single one of these is:

Why is it that nearly all relationship advice about dealing with a bad partner always places the victimhood notfar
from my intentions, there seems to be little to no advice on how to properly be suited* for* a romantic relationship in the first place. Where is the advice for those of us who are the jealous one, or the obtrusive, or the controlling, or the abusive, or the needy, or what have you? In my experience just one or two of those is enough to make you completely defunct in the realm of serious dating as a whole.

The whole thing seems flat out uncompromising when such characters are endlessly demonized, despite the fact that these issues arise from deeper, often out of reach psychological depths, while the others would be portrayed as saint-like martyrs and victims! After several failed relationships,* I get it!* Believe me, I’m sorry and I wish I was different, now where is the support and guidance for me? How else am I supposed to change? Feeling bad *isn’t always *enough!

The idea is to work on yourself in the rest of your life before presenting yourself as a potential spouse. If you are controlling, you’re not going to get better by looking at that defect as something that makes you into a victim. If you had a bad swing and you wanted to be a baseball player, would you really need to know what misfortune gave you such an unprofitable approach to batting? You probably don’t need that.

You are right, though, you also don’t need lectures that you have to “hit the ball” or “choose good pitches”. Well, duh, yes, you get that. You need to know how a successful batter does it–for instance, how does a good pitch look different than a bad pitch at the time you need to decide whether to swing or not–and you need to know where your own approach diverges from a successful approach. You need positive advice.

This is one reason it is such good advice to get marital counseling even if a marriage seems doomed to fail no matter how much the parties talk. This doesn’t usually happen during courtship, though. It is possible, however, to find a family therapist who can give you the same kind of guidance you’d get in individual counseling if you had these problems after you were married. There are skills you can learn, and if you describe the problems you’ve had, a good therapist can help you to figure out how to do things differently in the future, so next time you will not be “that guy”.
 
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