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:extrahappy:Thats it!
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:extrahappy:Thats it!
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justasking4
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What do you mean when say–“It doesn’t bother me one bit that there are those who love my biological Mother, I am happy for her when this happens.”?
Are you saying Mary is your “biological Mother”?
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Nancyannheath
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Truly? Not that I doubt it…she has a way. I am reading this late and getting into this conversation a little late, but I am Catholic and I would like to comment that I read somewhere above that we “worship” Mary. We dont worship Mary, as a matter of fact, Mary would say “all worship and Glory to God (as in the Father, the son Jesus and the Holy Spirit” but we pray to her to intercede for us, and to help us out through our struggles because she understands us so well.A beautiful and well written letter of love and prayer to The Blessed Mother of God.
I also have a special love for Mary (as you might tell by my name). She led me to her Son and His Church. She grabbed my Atheist heart and the rest is history.
Hail Mary Full of Grace, the Lord is with thee.
She was a regular human like us, and when the angel Gabriel asked her if she would be Jesus’ mother, she said yes, whether or not she was going to be stoned because she was with child without being wed, she trusted in God. I would be so scared…so Mary has a place in my heart as a very courageous believer. And a very good example of how we humans need to just trus that God will take care of you.
Lent is almost here, and I always think of the sorrow she witnessed during Jesus’ last week on earth during Holy Week (just before Easter) and I ponder how I would have felt if I saw my son were dragged through the town, got judged, condemned, tortured and then died in front of my eyes, I dont know if I could survive. My heart goes out to her, most likely a very gentle creature, that she had to witness that, and still trust in God.
By the way, If you ever wondered why her robe is blue on the inside when you see her pictures, or statues painted, she once explained to a monk she appeared to that everyone under the sky is hers too (besides belonging to the Lord) and she worries and prays for all of us. She was human, so she fully understands all the trials and tribulations we experience and have to deal with.
I will keep all of you in my prayers tonite.
Another follower…
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2ndGen
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Thats it!
Guess who else was a Momma’s Boy?
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.y..._the_christ/_group_photos/james_caviezel1.jpg
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2ndGen
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Mary is the mother of all those who proclaim the witness of Christ and all those that keep God’s commandments.
She is our spiritual mother.
Revelation 12:17
So the dragon was enraged with the woman,
and went off to make war with the rest of her children,
who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
Jesus, Who is our eternal life came through her womb.
Our eternal Salvation came through her womb.
She gave us The Life (Jesus Christ).
It was her blood that Jesus shed for He had no biological father to contribute blood to create a new mix of blood…His blood that He spilled was 101% from Mary’s flesh.
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justasking4
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You do realize that there is not one verse of Scripture that comes even close to teaching this kind of thing?
Not one writer of the NT ever makes this claim about her.
Let me quote for you from a couple of noted catholic scholars on this passage in Revelation 12.
“Raymond Brown and J.A. Fitzmyer, editors of the Jerome Biblical Commentary (2:482):
a woman: Most of the ancient commentators identified her with the Church; in the Middle Ages it was widely held that she represented Mary, the Mother of Jesus. Modern exegetes have generally adopted the older interpretation, with certain modifications.
In recent years several Catholics have championed the Marian interpretation. Numerous contextual details, however, are ill-suited to such an explanation. For example, we are scarcely to think that Mary endured the worst of the pains of childbirth (v. 2), that she was pursued into the desert after the birth of her child (6, 13ff.), or, finally, that she was persecuted through her other children (v. 17). The emphasis on the persecution of the woman is really appropriate only if she represents the Church, which is presented throughout the book as oppressed by the forces of evil, yet protected by God. Furthermore, the image of a woman is common in ancient Oriental secular literature as well as in the Bible (e.g., Is 50:1; Jer 50:12) as a symbol for a people, a nation, or a city. It is fitting, then, to see in this woman the People of God, the true Israel of the OT and NT.”
What they are saying is that it does not fit to call the woman in Revelations 12 Mary.
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Nancyannheath
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We Catholics pray our Rosaries and Jesus gives Mary the message, because Jesus is God, and God is omnipresent, but Mary is not. I am sure angels deliver our dire prayers or perhaps God does because he is everywhere, not sure, but I do know all my prayers have always been answered, especially when I ask Mary to ask her Son to help me out, especially Novenas. Maybe not the same day, but they are answered. The times I did not get exactly what I prayed for, I was given the “wisdom” to see why they didnt get answered exactly like I asked. I saw or found out later why things worked out the way they did. Everything happens to God’s plan, but He does spoil us when we ask for things that are good, not material.i said ‘some kind’ of ominiscience. catholics dont say it outright, but thats what it logically amounts to: millions of catholics praying to her all at the same time…you’ll need some kind of ‘all knowing’ powers in order to recieve and understand all those simultaneous messages coming long distance from earth.
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Goth_Catholic
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John 19:26
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2ndGen
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justasking4
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Where in scripture is the apostle John said to be the representative of the entire church?
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2ndGen
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By the way, we all know what Jesus said about depending on scholars for spiritual guidance don’t we?
Tell me what met all these refernces:
-fled for 3 1/2 years to protect Jesus upon their persecution
-gave birth to Jesus Christ (Jeruselum couldn’t for she is barren and wouldn’t produce until the end times)
-was wrapped in The Light (who is Jesus)
-suffered so much in pain (which woman could suffer more in pain from childbirth than she who has never been touched by a man? Who’s never had any kind of physical relations? Imagine pushing a fully developed infant through a passage that was never touched?)
-brought forth the King of Kings (Jesus) who would rule all nations (not just the Jewish nation) with an iron rod
-who else was given to a man [John] (earth) to be protected once the man child (Jesus) was taken into heaven
-who else was persecuted by Satan for bringing forth Jesus Christ (not Jeruselum…Jeruselum were the ones doing the persecuting of Christians and Jeruselum crucified Christ…to think that Jeruselum was the one to be The Woman is to say that Jesus’ Mother crucified Him)
-who’s children were persecuted because of their allegiance to her Son? Christians, not Jews.
No evidence?
Ok.
You should say that the evidence doesn’t convince “you”.
Oh yeah…all those events that happened in Jesus’ life,
are mentioned in Revelation 12…the who chapter.
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you are right about the sarcasm and I was really just being resentful of this post:
but I wasn’t talking only about the OP. look through the thread and you will see posts with “a protestant would say…” and “protestants do…”. I suppose the thread made a good atmosphere for generalization, when I have never seen anyone ever even say it is wrong to love Mary. Also, there really is very little response from protestants.
That’s all
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Goth_Catholic
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All the apostles were representatives of the Church.
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2ndGen
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U R correct Sir.
It’s easy to generalize when no one is responding to the question.
However, some of us have seen persons state that it is wrong to love Mary.
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Goth_Catholic
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What does that have to do with anything?
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2ndGen
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Luke 10:16
“He that heareth you heareth me;
and he that despiseth you despiseth me;
and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.”
That’s “if” one believes that Jesus “is” The Church!
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Goth_Catholic
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Oh:blush: thanksYour answer was a “slamdunk”!
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justasking4
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Do you know the context for this passage?
This is where you must be careful in equating the church itself with Jesus as being the church. If you do all kinds of problems will result.
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