Why is it wrong to love Mary?

[bengal_fan]

I know that their out there, but just not in numbers strong enough to actually be acknowledged. I believe that by a Christian’s nature, they grow close to Mary in appreciation and do love her, but because they put their religion affiliation before their love for her, they won’t share this with their fellow members out of fear.

I put up a thread “who loves Mary.”

All I got was crickets chirping

how do you “know”? is the Holy Spirit leading you into this “truth”? if so, wouldn’t we all be led into that truth? you started with a false premise, and you now are using a negative to prove your point…

just because no one responded to your “who loves Mary” thread doesn’t mean that no one loves Mary.

 

[HannahLisa]

Does it say in the Bible that Mary was in the upper room at Pentecost?

The only thing in JimmyB’s prayer that I wasn’t so sure about was the idea that he got his strength from her. Unless what he meant was that, through her saying yes to God, Jesus came to earth and Jesus is his strength. I do not believe that Mary on her own can give anyone strength.

Also, the idea of being “madly in love” with Mary seems weird to me. But that’s just me.

Anglicans acknowledge the saints and I have met Anglicans who pray to them.

I am a Protestant who does not see anything wrong in asking the saints to pray for me. I just don’t do it very much.

 

[2ndGen]

jerusalem was good enough for jesus. but its not good enough for catholics. they had to go to rome instead. the point is, there are many things that are good enough for jesus but wasnt meant for everybody else. She didnt even call Mary “Mother”. For Jesus “Woman” is a good enough reference for Mary. So is that good enough for you as well? “Holy Woman, pray for us sinners”.

Well not theologically. But in practice it does happen a lot. It happened for me when I was a Catholic. And its happening for 2ndGen right here. Look what he/she’s been posting man!

Are you still miffed because I proved to you that Muslims revere and honor Mary more than Protestants do when you called it “proposterous”?

 

[2ndGen]

Does it say in the Bible that Mary was in the upper room at Pentecost?

The only thing in JimmyB’s prayer that I wasn’t so sure about was the idea that he got his strength from her. Unless what he meant was that, through her saying yes to God, Jesus came to earth and Jesus is his strength. I do not believe that Mary on her own can give anyone strength.

Also, the idea of being “madly in love” with Mary seems weird to me. But that’s just me.

Acts 1:
13And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James.

14These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.

 

[HannahLisa]

2ndGen – thanks for the verse!

 

[Mannyfit75]

Does it say in the Bible that Mary was in the upper room at Pentecost?

Act 1:12

Then they returned to Jerusalem from the Mount called Olivet, which is near Jerusalem, a sabbath day’s journey away; and they had entered, they went up to the upper room, where they were staying, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot and Judas the son of James. All these with one accord devoted themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, with his brethren.

The only thing in JimmyB’s prayer that I wasn’t so sure about was the idea that he got his strength from her. Unless what he meant was that, through her saying yes to God, Jesus came to earth and Jesus is his strength. I do not believe that Mary on her own can give anyone strength.

Also, the idea of being “madly in love” with Mary seems weird to me. But that’s just me.

I would not say our love of Mary is greater than God. We Catholics love God first, Mary second, third ourselves, and then our neighbors.

You have to take into account, that the Apostles and the other disciples are about the received the Holy Spirit. No one else other than Mary, Elizabeth, and Zechariah, and John, the Baptist have received the Holy Spirit.

The only person in the upper room who was filled with the Holy Spirit is Mary. I’m sure she could have strengthen the Apostles.

 

[2ndGen]

2ndGen – thanks for the verse!

 

[2ndGen]

Act 1:12

Then they returned to Jerusalem from the Mount called Olivet, which is near Jerusalem, a sabbath day’s journey away; and they had entered, they went up to the upper room, where they were staying, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot and Judas the son of James. All these with one accord devoted themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, with his brethren.

I would not say our love of Mary is greater than God. We Catholics love God first, Mary second, third ourselves, and then our neighbors.

You have to take into account, that the Apostles and the other disciples are about the received the Holy Spirit. No one else other than Mary, Elizabeth, and Zechariah, and John, the Baptist have received the Holy Spirit.

The only person in the upper room who was filled with the Holy Spirit is Mary. I’m sure she could have strengthen the Apostles.

And in addition, didn’t Jesus want us to love each other as God and Jesus love each other?

Has there ever been a limit on loving anybody?

Since God’s love is the max, then we could never love each other more than He loves, therefore, we can’t possibly love Mary more than God when Jesus said that He is the standard by which we are to aspire to.

 

[rpp]

What the heck is a "quasi-traditional Catholic???

As this was a bit off-topic, I PMed you my answer.

 

[twosweetgirls]

I’ll read through the entire thread once twosweetgirls stop ganging up on me , but I just wanted to say to Jimmy B, this thread’s OP:

Your prayer was lovely! I too have found a love for our Blessed Mother that’s so amazing and cool that it trumps even Brach’s Malted Milk Balls. Our Beloved Virgin Mother is commanding my free Rosary ministry, and the closer I draw to Her the more She puts me in the arms of Her Son, our Saviour Jesus. That’s what happened in my conversion: She grabbed my heart and handed it over to Jesus Christ. I’m hopeful she’s doing that with my Dad right now.

Have you, Jimmy B, done Total Consecration to Mary’s Immaculate Heart according to St. Louis de Montfort? If not, you might wanna take a look into that.

 

[Mannyfit75]

And in addition, didn’t Jesus want us to love each other as God and Jesus love each other?

Has there ever been a limit on loving anybody?

Since God’s love is the max, then we could never love each other more than He loves, therefore, we can’t possibly love Mary more than God when Jesus said that He is the standard by which we are to aspire to.

St. John even put this clearly in his Epistles. “God is love.”

 

[rpp]

ahh, i see. you are starting from a false premise. well, i hope that helps us all to see why this thread is pointless.

I do disagree with my fellow Catholic who presumed to think Protestants don’t love Mary.

I am afraid I have to agree with Manny. While I cannot cite any sources, I recall hearing one protestant evangelical preacher say that Mary could have been a prostitute because God can forgive anyone of anything. He was pretty anti-Catholic.

I have seen other say similar things, or simply express contempt for the Blessed Virgin Mary apparently because Catholics honor her.

Sorry, but linking to blatantly anti-Catholic web sites is against the rules here so I cannot provide citations.

 

[rpp]

Ahhh - okay.
**BUT Zenas **response is UNBIBLICAL.
Not only are those in heaven alive - they are MORE ALIVE than WE are. We on earth are flawed, whereas the saints in heaven have been glorified.
**Remember in the Transfiguration **(Matthew 17:1-9, Mark 9:1-8), Moses and Elijah appear and speak with Jesus.
Gee - if they were “dead”, as Protestants believe, they couldn’t do that, now COULD they. To say that those in heaven are “dead” is to say that GOD HIMSELF is dead.
He is NOT. Remember what Jesus emphatically stated in Matt. 22:31-32:
***“And concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was said to you by God, ***’I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.”

ElvisMan,

First let me say that I tend to agree with pretty much everything you have written on this thread.

But I would like to make one request.

While you formatting style is unique, it is also hard to read. It feels like you are shouting. Can you tone down the use of bold type, font size changes and color? It will make your posts much easier to read, at least for me.

Thank you.

 

[2ndGen]

St. John even put this clearly in his Epistles. “God is love.”

 

[AgnosTheist]

Are you still miffed because I proved to you that Muslims revere and honor Mary more than Protestants do when you called it “proposterous”?

oh yeah, thanks for the reminder. where is that thread…

 

[elvisman]

ElvisMan,

First let me say that I tend to agree with pretty much everything you have written on this thread.

But I would like to make one request.

While you formatting style is unique, it is also hard to read. It feels like you are shouting. Can you tone down the use of bold type, font size changes and color? It will make your posts much easier to read, at least for me.

Thank you.

I DO tend to over-emphasize, don’t I.
I’ll try to tone it down.

**PS - Sometimes I AM shouting . . . **

 

[rpp]

I DO tend to over-emphasize, don’t I.
I’ll try to tone it down.

**PS - Sometimes I AM **shouting . . .

Sometime I do too! Thanks!

 

[jkarp]

jerusalem was good enough for jesus. but its not good enough for catholics. they had to go to rome instead.

That is related to basic logistics; if you wanted to get anything done in the ancient world, as the saying goes, all roads lead to Rome. This is not a Catholic saying, this is a historical fact: Rome built roads. If you want to spread the Good News to the farthest reaches of the worlds, doesn’t it just make good sense to use the best means available? Today we have the Internet (as we are using to spread the Good News at this moment); 2000 years ago, roads were the Internet. St. Peter went to Rome to preach the Good News in the heart of the empire so that it would circulate throughout the empire just like the heart does to the blood in our body.

Jesus remained in Jerusalem because he was fulfilling the old covenant with Israel (remember what the Lord said to Abraham). Peter went to Rome to spread the new covenant with the whole world.

 

[2ndGen]

That is related to basic logistics; if you wanted to get anything done in the ancient world, as the saying goes, all roads lead to Rome. This is not a Catholic saying, this is a historical fact: Rome built roads. If you want to spread the Good News to the farthest reaches of the worlds, doesn’t it just make good sense to use the best means available? Today we have the Internet (as we are using to spread the Good News at this moment); 2000 years ago, roads were the Internet. St. Peter went to Rome to preach the Good News in the heart of the empire so that it would circulate throughout the empire just like the heart does to the blood in our body.

Jesus remained in Jerusalem because he was fulfilling the old covenant with Israel (remember what the Lord said to Abraham). Peter went to Rome to spread the new covenant with the whole world.

Why can’t “they” think about it like this…Jesus converted the Empire that Crucified Him!

The Gates of Heaven prevailed over The Gates of Hell (paganism)!

How great is my God that He would not only take over those who crucified His Son and persecuted His followers,
but He made His headquarters smack in the middle of their capitol
and then used them not only to “protect” His followers,
but to bring The Gospel to the entire civilized world!

Brilliant!

It must drive anti-Catholics nuts!

 

[Jimmy_B]

The point is that they are wrong to believe that a Saint cannot hear their prayer.

It’s an unbiblical belief that was introduced to them in the last quarter of Christianity.

As for what Mary would do, she didn’t send the wedding’s wine steward to Jesus directly. She went to Jesus on their behalf, interceding for them. And, her telling Jesus what was needed obviously got the job done. The wedding had wine again.

Or course to each his/her own, but somebody needs to tell Protestants that criticize Christians who pray to Mary that.